16v won't be enough...

[Samystar]

Buggy specs: 1.6 16v, auto tranny, kicker II (Sidekick to Toy), toy 5.29, 38.5's

This winter my buggy gonna receive 2 steering dana 60 7.17 and 42'' Iroks. I think the 16v won't be enough... what engine would you swap considering I want to keep my dual t-case. I was thinking a light v6 or .........

[AFTERMARKET4X4]

How about a Grand Vitara 2.5 liter or XL-7 2.7 liter all aluminum V6:

http://members.cox.net/suzukispecialists/vitarazuk1.jpg

http://members.cox.net/suzukispecialists/vitarazuk2.jpg

Sean

[lebowski]

Alittle off tangent, but since you got a 16v, do you think a 16v/5sp/4.16tc/4.88 Toys and 35's (true 35") will be ok for a dd and trail rig? Just wondering how well the 16v will be with this combo. I can't afford a dedicated trail only rig. :shaking:
Thanks

[OKIE ZUK]

Use 6.1 to 1 in t-case and 4.11 in axles and that will be prefect with 35" tires:

[95geo]

it all depends on what you consider "enough" your driving style has a lot to do with how much power you need.

i have a 16v auto 4:1 5.89's and 38's, for normal trail use/wheeling its fine it just takes a few seconds to get the tires spinning enough to clear out. the only problem i have is getting a good enough bump in the distance of my wheelbase (so the front tires dont drop off the ledge). im going to try a higher stall converter and an adjustable timing gear, then maybe a numerically higher low range

[Azrckcrawler]

Alittle off tangent, but since you got a 16v, do you think a 16v/5sp/4.16tc/4.88 Toys and 35's (true 35") will be ok for a dd and trail rig? Just wondering how well the 16v will be with this combo. I can't afford a dedicated trail only rig. :shaking:
Thanks

My old buggy felt great with both my 6:1's and then later 8:1's, stock 5 spd and 5.29's in Toy axles on 37's. I was able to drive a lot of the easy stuff in 4 high. I would think your setup woul be fine since you have slightly smaller tires.

[terrymac]

Talk about a highjack! Anybody going to answer the original posters question? Az, seems you have experience with exactly his question.

[Azrckcrawler]

Talk about a highjack! Anybody going to answer the original posters question? Az, seems you have experience with exactly his question.

Lol, I have no idea on Sammy's rig, the 7.17's may make it doable but the auto tranny is going to suck down power - we talked about this in another thread. Seriously, if you want power on deck in an instant and you insist on an automatic aim for 200hp and a about the same torque. If you are going to go thru the trouble of swapping in a 6 I'd go with a 4.3, auto and atlas; after you selll your stuff and buy the new stuff I bet the cost is a wash and you'll have a much stronger drivetrain. If you want to keep the existing drivetrain, ditch the auto, put 4.7's in the toy case and it should go good. On my buggy I feel like I need another 30-40hp or lower R&P's (5.13's installed). It crawls everything fine, the weak points are finding a gear for wheelspeed with no boggin of the motor on verticals. I can do double low 3rd but I have to dump the clutch to get the 16v into it's powerband and if I start letting off the gas halfway up a vertical face it will bog down. 2nd gear double low has plenty of power but not enough wheel speed. If you don't intend on launching your rig at 25 foot tall walls then ignore what I said above :D

[RX-4X4]

I have a rotary 12A with minor mods. I think I push 110 -120. I have never dyno'ed it. With 5.38's in the diffs and stock t-case for now. It does good. I going to add a 4 to 1 soon so I can spin them a bit slower. But, I daily drive mine and love it. I don't even notice the fact that I have 37's. And can go just as fast as I want on the freeway. Which is way faster than the speed limit. I have the idle set up on the carb and can let the cluch out with no gas and it keeps enough power that it acts almost like a automatic, except for the whole clutch to stop part.

[Azrckcrawler]

Here some video to further illustrate the point. Some of the latest trails we have been running have really pushed the boundries on what our rigs can do.

Here's Jack with 60's, 39.5 Sx's, 5.38's in the 60's and a single Toy 4.7 case all powered by a high mileag 22re.
Jack making the first fall. (http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2005/9-10-05/jack1.mpg)

Here's me, 1.6 16v, 5.13's Dual cases (stk/4.7) 5spd and 42's. I may have been able to let off the gas a little sooner but there was no way to move my foot once I started to pucker :laughing:

Chris making the first fall. (http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2005/9-10-05/chris1.mpg)

the smoke is from this, I rolled off the face after my first couple of attempts:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=204948&stc=1

Then there is Brian. 4.3, auto, Atlas and 39's. Watch how effortless his run is. Climbing verticals like this is the only place I have wished I had an auto & hp. Everywhere else I couldn't stand the constant gas modulation required to get the tires to climb.

Brian making the first fall. (http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2005/9-10-05/brian1.mpg)

View from the top. This buggy is supercharged but the driver wasn't ready to commit.

Dennis attempting the climb. (http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2005/9-10-05/dennis1.mpg)

[RX-4X4]

cool vids. Where is that? And if you like hill climbing like that you need to come on out to Tellico. Anyway Chris. Killer vids, and killer web site. Alot of what I have in my zuk was inspired by you and your projects. Thanks.

[95geo]

nice videos, you dont realize how tall/steep it is until the view from the top. it makes me wish we had better trails around here.....

[lebowski]

Guys, thanks for the answers. Hope Samystar found them as helpful as I did. :)

Samystar,
Sorry I kinda hijacked your thread for alittle bit. :(

[tdavis]

Since you've got a RingR setup, I'd either look for a vitara 2liter engine (about 125hp) or a Toyota Tacoma/T100 2.7liter engine (about 150+ hp). both bolt on with minor work - the 2liter is machine your flywheel and change the pilot bearing, the T100 is a bell housing/flywheel/clutch change. Both are ODBII engines and you can easily find engines with less than 50k miles.

Both fit pretty good into a zuk frame, and leave lots of room to work.

[sj-x]

or you could find your self a nice lil 4age, 120 stock, with a pair of cams up to 160-180. found in early carrolas, take engine and tranny, adapt d-shaft to t-case.

[Samystar]

Since you've got a RingR setup, I'd either look for a vitara 2liter engine (about 125hp) or a Toyota Tacoma/T100 2.7liter engine (about 150+ hp). both bolt on with minor work - the 2liter is machine your flywheel and change the pilot bearing, the T100 is a bell housing/flywheel/clutch change. Both are ODBII engines and you can easily find engines with less than 50k miles.

Both fit pretty good into a zuk frame, and leave lots of room to work.


Do you have anymore infos on the T100 swap? You think that the sidekick tranny will handle that???

[tdavis]

The biggest engine I'd put in front of the Tracker tranny is the 2.0 liter engine from a Vitara. Anything else, and you'll probably destroy that tranny quickly.

The 2.0 liter will bolt right up to that tranny/bell housing, you just need to get the flywheel machined for the correct 2.0 liter bolt pattern.

[moto261]

ive been running the 1.6 16v with the 3 speed auto my kicker case to the d300 both t-cases with stock gears and 4.10's in the difs and 37" krawlers it dont work to well i think i need ether the 4to 1 in the kick case or the 4to 1 in the d300

just some food for thought the auto is way diferent then the 5 speed so just keep that in mind



:massey:

[martyfowler]

Alittle off tangent, but since you got a 16v, do you think a 16v/5sp/4.16tc/4.88 Toys and 35's (true 35") will be ok for a dd and trail rig? Just wondering how well the 16v will be with this combo. I can't afford a dedicated trail only rig. :shaking:
Thanks

im running nearly the same setup you described. only difference is i have 5.14's in the t-case. i drive it on the street quite a bit, and it does just fine. it aint gonna win any drag races, but it has plenty of power for normal driving. hope this helps, -marty

[OKIE ZUK]

Awesome videos Chris, makes me want bigger, but I can only afford what I got. :D

[Azrckcrawler]

Awesome videos Chris, makes me want bigger, but I can only afford what I got. :D

Thanks, we hit that trail again on Saturday for a quick night run. I got a cleaner run at it, vids in this thread. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397044)