Twin stick!!!

[YotaAtieToo]

I search and all I found was that some one was working on one, I cant remeber his name, but I was just wondering if he is ever gonna have this thing produced?

[UZI 9mm]

:laughing:

[DemoMike]

I think the term is "patent troll". Or maybe Brad can explain otherwise.. :flipoff2:

[YotaAtieToo]

who has what patented?

[Hvy_Chevy]

don't search or anything:
http://xfaktor.net:8082/Projects/Suzuki/4.16TCase/4.16TCase.html#TwinStick
http://bbs.off-road.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1077883/page//fpart/1/vc/1
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,8753.0.html

[GA_ZUKI]

i think rockrat is also making one

[YotaAtieToo]

don't search or anything:
http://xfaktor.net:8082/Projects/Suzuki/4.16TCase/4.16TCase.html#TwinStick
http://bbs.off-road.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1077883/page//fpart/1/vc/1
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,8753.0.html

Don't read my post or anything :shaking:

I asked if anyone was gonna put one into production not if any one had made on with a 2 sticks, a grinder and a rubber glove :shaking:

[Hvy_Chevy]

go buy a second stick, a grinder and a rubber glove then.

[bogger61]

I think the term is "patent troll". Or maybe Brad can explain otherwise.. :flipoff2:This covers if :flipoff2:

[supazuk94]

yeah roller skate .... by the time he ever puts it in production all the trails will be closed
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94141&page=4&pp=25&highlight=twinstick

not a hard mod to make your self

[NC Zuk]

The answer is that NOONE is producing one. Spidertrax has developed one, never released it though. Rock 4x Fabrication has developed one, not released either.

[IKUZUS]

Why do you really need a twin stick?? You can achieve the same thing with one. Must be the bling factor of two sticks.

[jeeppartz]

Why do you really need a twin stick?? You can achieve the same thing with one. Must be the bling factor of two sticks.

It gets rid of the sloppy split H pattern

[jerseyzuks]

The guy who owns the patent (rollerskate) is a really friendly fellow, and I'm sure he would be more than happy to explain the situation. Here is a message he sent to me...


"In regards to your post on the twinstick thread,I'm going to reply in private because whenever I try to explain things in public all I get is jumped by a bunch of rude dipsticks like you. How much did the patent cost? A little over $5000,and I've got the cancelled checks to prove it.Oh yeah,I just payed an additional maintenance fee to the patent office ($450). So now, would you like to buy this patent for what I've got into it? Do you think anybody,including the major vendors,would buy it for $5500? No one has offered me even $55 for it,and I do keep in contact with the major players in the Samurai aftermarket.I've also got a much larger sum than this tied up in tooling for this project,so yeah I'm going to protect the patent.
You say I'm standing in the way.....BULLSHIT! I can think of 3 ways to get around my patent.If other people can't do the same then they are either lazy or stupid.
As to you calling me an asshole,I find you to be an ignorant loud mouth computor commando.I guess that just goes with being an east coast prick"

[samiguy]

"east coast prick"?
what an asshole :flipoff2:

[suk35]

This is an old topic, Rollerdick will never complete the twin stick. Build your own or ask around, there are alot of guys that can hook u up.

[IKUZUS]

I have the 2lo shift pattern with the detent ball removed and have absolutely no slop in the shift pattern. Making the slot bigger is the wrong way to do it.

[supazuk94]

5000 grand to patent the thing ... I would have sold a few before i wasted that money...
sucks for that guy
hey roller skate just sell a few from your gargage for now .. hell don't sell the boot part just the sticks ...
at least recope some of your money its only been 4 years

[Nowhere]

5000 grand to patent the thing ... I would have sold a few before i wasted that money...
sucks for that guy
hey roller skate just sell a few from your gargage for now .. hell don't sell the boot part just the sticks ...
at least recope some of your money its only been 4 years

Good idea, do SOMETHING....

[jeeppartz]

The guy who owns the patent (rollerskate) is a really friendly fellow, and I'm sure he would be more than happy to explain the situation.


bwahahahahhahahahahahha

[Orionn]

Twinsticks........

Yes, Rockrat is working on that, actually he's working on the boot for the twinstick.
I am buliding the rest as we speak, and Rockrat will produce it most likely.
Its not his fault its not in production, blame me if you like, but I am still trying to make it as easy to fab as possable to keep the price down. (we all know how cheap Zuki owners are :flipoff2: )

Mine is simple, small, inexpensive, and simple. (yes, I said simple twice)

I hope to have it done in the next month or two.
I need to talk to Rockrat about the boot, but I dont press him, he has been busier than I have, and we both have Families.

Give me a bit more time, I'll let you all know when its ready.

[ZOOK94]

http://www.monstercable.com/images_db/caraudio/xln_sp_2_glam.jpg

[rotozuk]

Screw the twin stick.. I need to get my tripple stick working.

As for Rollerskate, I have said it before, and I'll say it again. You idiots are shooting yourselves in your own foot. If you think the twin stick is neat, you have not seen anything this man has to offer to the market place.

I forget if he ever posted up pics of his twin stick, but needless to say, it is damn clean. I think he has all of the production tooling built, last I heard the boot was the hang up, but I can't say that I have talked to him recently, so who knows the current status. If it makes you feel any better I doubt Brad has been out much if any to enjoy his Samurai, or other hobbies. Seems to keep busy cutting metal for folks.

As for him calling someone a prick, well as I recall the prick called him an asshole first. Brad is far from an asshole.

Rockrat, goodluck with your project. I think you know Brad a bit, and I hope all goes well for both of you as I think you have heard some of his issues and can probably see things from his point of view since you both come from a similar background.

-Wayne

Oh yeah, and something else about that asshole Brad. He could have saved a bunch of money by having the rubber boots produced in Asia, but he is kind of funny about keeping all work in the local area. Un-American, huh?

[jeeppartz]

Screw the twin stick.. I need to get my tripple stick working.

As for Rollerskate, I have said it before, and I'll say it again. You idiots are shooting yourselves in your own foot. If you think the twin stick is neat, you have not seen anything this man has to offer to the market place.

I forget if he ever posted up pics of his twin stick, but needless to say, it is damn clean. I think he has all of the production tooling built, last I heard the boot was the hang up, but I can't say that I have talked to him recently, so who knows the current status. If it makes you feel any better I doubt Brad has been out much if any to enjoy his Samurai, or other hobbies. Seems to keep busy cutting metal for folks.

As for him calling someone a prick, well as I recall the prick called him an asshole first. Brad is far from an asshole.




It is a clean setup, it is obvious he has good fab skills .I dont think anyone is questioning his abilities , just his demeanor . He is the one coming across as difficult ..... . We want to buy his junk ... pretty simple really ,but he hasnt been the nicest guy to talk to .

[Roksamy]

i gotta no stick , fawkin dychen borrowed mine , then sold the rig :laughing: hahahaha wait that's not funnay

[rotozuk]

It is a clean setup, it is obvious he has good fab skills .I dont think anyone is questioning his abilities , just his demeanor . He is the one coming across as difficult ..... . We want to buy his junk ... pretty simple really ,but he hasnt been the nicest guy to talk to .


Yeah, I know. That is his real draw back, he is a bit on the anal side and wants, no demands, everything be perfect before it leaves the shop.

I do wish, like all of you, that he would just start producing them. You have all waited a long time for this product to hit the street.

-Wayne

[weedwacker]

I hacked two shifters today and got the thing to work WITH NO WELDING. Streched the spring over the two sticks and filed the retainer to slide over both sticks. It shifts much better than my worn single that was getting jamed every other time I shifted. I am a little skeptical on the strength of the set up though. The sticks are rather thin now.



Sure wish someone would make a purpose built twin stick.......hint hint.

[simonw]

I really wish someone would produce a twin stick setup as well. If anyone is willing to make me one I'd buy it... if the price is reasonable. I just don't have the facility to make my own... or the equipment. I have normal hand tools.. but no grinders or welders or air compressor.

[RX-4X4]

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I asked if anyone was gonna put one into production not if any one had made on with a 2 sticks, a grinder and a rubber glove :shaking:

Thats all it takes. I going to build my twin stick this afternoon. :flipoff2:

[jerseyzuks]

You idiots... As for him calling someone a prick, well as I recall the prick ...

Y'all seem like such a friendly bunch :flipoff2:


He could have saved a bunch of money by having the rubber boots produced in Asia, but instead he decided not to make anything at all, and just squat on the patent

Fixed it for you :flipoff2:

[purevil71]

guy in our club built one...looks clean and works (hope he dosen't get sued now...lol)

[jimmyroyse]

rollerskates;

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9379/tcasetwinsstick9st.jpg

[jerseyzuks]

Looks very nice. Can't wait till it comes out!
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in the year 2029 :flipoff2:

[flexmonger2]

Is it me or do those twin tcase sticks look too close togethor?

[rotozuk]

Y'all seem like such a friendly bunch :flipoff2:
Fixed it for you :flipoff2:

Jersey, I just thought for shits and grins I would check some of your past posts to see what great information you have shared with your fellow pirate members and what do you know, just a bunch of chit chat. Stop waisting our time.

I think my posts speak for themselves and Rollerskate has helped many of us out in the past. He may not post up much here, but trust me he has forgotten more then you will ever learn.

To his credit he is the first person that I have heard of that put a 16 valve into his Samurai, and the first to have a dual t-case. And to this date is still one of the few that made his own dual t-case regardless of what the vehicle make. This is a single case, 3 speed t-case with Suzuki inards.

Yeah, I hope Brad does consider me a friend. I know he never has to ask if he needs anything as I owe him for past favors, not to mention the pizza and beers.


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As for the sticks being close together- they work fine and require no mods to the vehicle to fit. They look darn nice in a Zuk. :D

As always I do recomment that folks build their own stuff. That is what has always made the Zuk folks better then the others, we make our own. Br creative, do something different and creative. Unlike all of those Toyotas that are almost the same. :shaking:

-Wayne

[bogger61]

If this rollerskate person is so smart wye did he waste 5500.00 on patining some thing that if every person on this board got one he wouldn't make money,

[jerseyzuks]

Rollerskate has helped many of us out in the past.

Squatting on a patent for years? He is directly responsible for our community not having commercially available twin stick cases. No one can argue that fact. For years he has been teasing us with pictures, and descriptions of how well this works, but never actually producing a product for sale.

His response to all of this? "work around my patent".

I hope that Rollerskate never makes a dime on this, and he loses every bit of the money he has invested. Hopefully if he ever does start selling these things, the Zuk community will remember what he has done, and refused to buy from him.

Especially those "east coast pricks" :flipoff2:




Stop waisting our time.

Rollerskate has been dicking around with this for 4 years, and you accuse me of waisting your time? :shaking:

[rotozuk]

Well, I think if he could invent a time machine he might use it and forget about the patent. At the time it seemed like a good idea, he had seen many things in this market place get ripped off, and he didn't want that to happen to his stuff. Lets face it, Marlin, Inchworm and Adavanced Adapters are all rip off of the original design to mate Toyota t-cases. Who knows how things would be different if the original guy had pulled a patent?

As it is, Brad did come up with a nice product. He showed it around to some folks, and within a few months one of the big Suzuki vendors was selling an almost identical item. Brad kept his mouth shut. I'm not going to go into details, but many of you drive a Zuk with this item on it.

As for him sitting on the patent. Well, lets just say that the carpet got pulled out from under his feet. Had he not had a few things happen, I'm sure he would have had these out on market long ago. But this has all added up and hurt his pocket book. I'm sure we can all relate. Hell, I have a product I'd like to make for myself and a few others, but my extra couple of bucks always seems to leave my pocket before I invest it into the project.

I'm done.. I know regardless of what I say some of you guys are going to hate Brad over this. I understand this. I just hope that a few of you might give him the benefit of the doubt.

-Wayne

[rollerskate]

"east coast prick"?


I apologize to anyone I offended with this remark, except JerseyPuke. He'd be a prick on anybodys coast, continent or planet. I sent this remark to him in a PRIVATE message after he blasted me on this forum. I didn't think he'd be low enough to post it, guess I underestimated the snake.
I've got nothing more to say on the patent/shifter topic, every facet of this
issue has already been beat to death three or four times over.

[Ben_T]

I don't understand why all the fuss. Rollerskates design isn't the only way to make a twin stick as a couple of people have pointed out.
He hasn't patented the IDEA of making a twin stick, he's patented HIS DESIGN of the twin stick.
Theres nothing to stop anyone making another design like the cut and weld job, and selling that to their hearts content.

Anyway, Rollerskate, how about some info on this three speed zuk-based transfer case of yours? That would be some new and interesting tech. Lets see some pics.

Ben

[bogger61]

The Three speed case is PATENT PENDING

[supazuk94]

I apologize to anyone I offended with this remark, except JerseyPuke. He'd be a prick on anybodys coast, continent or planet. I sent this remark to him in a PRIVATE message after he blasted me on this forum. I didn't think he'd be low enough to post it, guess I underestimated the snake.
I've got nothing more to say on the patent/shifter topic, every facet of this
issue has already been beat to death three or four times over.
HEY rollarskate .. not to be rude like most have been but why not just produce your product with out the boot .. really thats all the zuk comunity wants just the sticks not the boot..it would solve your headach in the design save everyone money, you would get paid, and restore you to glory in the zuk community ..
are you you able to produse just the sticks at this time( w/o the boot?)

[Orionn]

Well, I respect anyone that goes thrue the patent process. its a pain in the butt.
Bringing new items to market is tough. If your impatient, buy another Zuki shift lever and cut and hack the two together....instant twin stick (now thats inovation!!) :flipoff2:

I have no plans to patent my design, as I feel that anyone who thought about it would be able to build it. (then again, I design car parts for a living :rolleyes: )
The only real snag is the boot for sealing and the design for that is solved, but production is a bit pricey. The boot is a nesessary item for sealing, or its completely open to the environment.

Will i be happy if someone copies it, not really, as I hope Rockrat and I can bring it to market cheap enough that to build it yourself is counter productive.
I am not even looking for money out of this, I just want to help out the Zuki comunity, kind of repayment for all the fun and knowledge I have gained here over the years.
If Rockrat makes money off of it, fine, he can patent it for all I care, and would encourage him to do so. (I just want to see him suceed in his business.)

OK, I am done ranting on this subject....lets everyone move on in life OK?

[jerseyzuks]

I apologize to anyone I offended with this remark, except JerseyPuke. He'd be a prick on anybodys coast, continent or planet. I sent this remark to him in a PRIVATE message after he blasted me on this forum. I didn't think he'd be low enough to post it, guess I underestimated the snake.
I've got nothing more to say on the patent/shifter topic, every facet of this
issue has already been beat to death three or four times over.



Ah, so much love, so much love. "JerseyPuke"? Now that's creative. Any second grader would be proud.

Your first post on this subject was back in 2002

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94141&page=1&pp=25

In this original thread, Rocky Road mentioned "I've approached him previously on selling them" He goes on to talk about "Licensing ...a royalty for each kit sold during the terms of our contract"

You go on to say "I don't want anybody else to build the shifters"

Brent from Trailtough said that he was also developing a twinstick. Later in the thread the community learned that "brents twin stick wont be out due to the patent issue"

Another 2 pages of the thread were pleading with you to "get out of the way, and let someone else bring this to market"

Your response "if somebodys got the hots to build a twinstick for the Samurai and retail it, then design around the patent"

I said "You have done the Suzuki community a great disservice. As long as you squat on this patent, we will not have the options that other wheelers do"

This comment infuriated you. :mad3: Truth hurts I guess.

I called you an a$$hole for squatting on this patent for so long. You sent me a nasty PM. After a couple of days, I cooled off, apologized publicly, and retracted every negative statement I made on that thread.

As a soon to be vendor, possibly you could learn from Calmini's mistakes, and not bash your potential customers?

[crashnzuk]

I said "You have done the Suzuki community a great disservice. As long as you squat on this patent, we will not have the options that other wheelers do"
What option is that, an extra "bling" stick in the floor to impress your friends? Why does anyone give a shit about twinsticks? The shifter that came with my t-case works just fine, and yes my case has been "2 low'd". This shifter is NOT a necessity. All you need to do is understand what each position on each shift rail does and you are golden. If you NEED a twin stick to operate your case, you are clueless.
Travis..

[OKIE ZUK]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: I must be clueless :flipoff2:

[RX-4X4]

I have a way around all this. Go buy a dana 18 and what ever you need to make it work, like the rest of the heep.

[jerseyzuks]

To his credit he is the first person that I have heard of that put a 16 valve into his Samurai


THANK GOD he didn't patent that! :flipoff2:

[YotaAtieToo]

What option is that, an extra "bling" stick in the floor to impress your friends? Why does anyone give a shit about twinsticks? The shifter that came with my t-case works just fine, and yes my case has been "2 low'd". This shifter is NOT a necessity. All you need to do is understand what each position on each shift rail does and you are golden. If you NEED a twin stick to operate your case, you are clueless.
Travis..

If you don't know what the advantage is then stfu already :rolleyes:

[Bill4rest]

Ah, so much love, so much love. "JerseyPuke"? Now that's creative. Any second grader would be proud.

Your first post on this subject was back in 2002

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94141&page=1&pp=25

In this original thread, Rocky Road mentioned "I've approached him previously on selling them" He goes on to talk about "Licensing ...a royalty for each kit sold during the terms of our contract"

You go on to say "I don't want anybody else to build the shifters"

Brent from Trailtough said that he was also developing a twinstick. Later in the thread the community learned that "brents twin stick wont be out due to the patent issue"

Another 2 pages of the thread were pleading with you to "get out of the way, and let someone else bring this to market"

Your response "if somebodys got the hots to build a twinstick for the Samurai and retail it, then design around the patent"

I said "You have done the Suzuki community a great disservice. As long as you squat on this patent, we will not have the options that other wheelers do"

This comment infuriated you. :mad3: Truth hurts I guess.

I called you an a$$hole for squatting on this patent for so long. You sent me a nasty PM. After a couple of days, I cooled off, apologized publicly, and retracted every negative statement I made on that thread.

As a soon to be vendor, possibly you could learn from Calmini's mistakes, and not bash your potential customers?

Make you own and get bent :rolleyes:

[Bill4rest]

If you don't know what the advantage is then stfu already :rolleyes:


Oh please tell me what good a twin stick is over the split H pattern :shaking:

[jerseyzuks]

Make you own and get bent :rolleyes:

Why the hostility Bill?

[moto261]

i've done a lot of reading about this and on the patent and there is a way around it and i know what it is anyone want to loan me like $5000 so i can make it work



:massey:

[McDerry]

Honestly guys, give rollerskate a break. A patent is a pain in the ass. YOu have to have it within a year of when the item hit the market or was made public to even get one. There good for 20 years, And on top of that it cost thousands of dollars before your even producing them. And they can eb gotten around as they do list the claims for what and how it does function.

If you guys really want to have a source for these things, figure out a design, doa search for any existing patents, then if it doesnt look like one, post it all over the internet and wait 12 months. Every damn vendor will be selling its version of it.

That or weight 16 so more years and just copy it from his patent.

On another note, rollerskate, is there acopy of the corresponding illistrations tha the patent references, I cant seem to locate any for us patent 6,349,609. Have a couple hunches on how youve done it and a have a couple ideas of my own and would hate for them to conflict with eachover.

My understanding on yours is basicly there is a new shifter sheet(something along this line) that is inserted into the case instead of the original, and that functions as a bushing for the two sticks to ride on??

[crashnzuk]

If you don't know what the advantage is then stfu already :rolleyes:

Please, oh please tell us all what the advantage is to a twin stick on a zuk case.
















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didn't think there was one.
Travis..

[GA_ZUKI]

I have not heard this part in in a while. he promised Calmini could market and sell the twinstick when it is ever made.



now for the benifits of the twin stick.

i too have always said,............. WHY?????????????

well after riding a week with someone who built his own i understand the need and reason behind it. i always felt just leave the hubs locked and when you need 4wd then switch it from 2wd to 4wd.

here is my reason for the need
the big reason is if you are locked in the front it makes it hard to steer in 4wd and alot of the time you do need the lower gear but dont need the 4wd so you switch the one lever to 2wd lo and go. then when need you switch from 2wd to 4wd and you are already in lo.

[3D-RACING]

In competition my twin stick is great, its very easy to operate and I always know what is connected or not.
I use it together with my linelock system.
In our "street rig" we had split H, but that would not work good in a comp rig.
http://www.offroad.no/garage/66/IMG/11024.JPG

[crashnzuk]

here is my reason for the need
the big reason is if you are locked in the front it makes it hard to steer in 4wd and alot of the time you do need the lower gear but dont need the 4wd so you switch the one lever to 2wd lo and go. then when need you switch from 2wd to 4wd and you are already in lo.
I do this with the stock stick all of the time. I am locked in front and welded in the rear, so I know all about how bad they turn. Once you're in low, all you have to do is move the stick forward or back on the left to go in and out of 4wd. Not very difficult. For the twin stick in a comp buggy, yes that would be the hot ticket. You are under the gun and need everything to require as little thought as possible so it could be done in your sleep. With that said, if you have a comp buggy you are gonna come up with something, patent be damned. The guy already said make something for yourself, just don't produce it if it fits his patent. The guys bitching on here make it sound like the guy is sitting on the patent for breathable atmosphere! Get over it! Make something yourself or deal with a single stick! It's NOT a necessity.
Travis..

[YotaAtieToo]

Please, oh please tell us all what the advantage is to a twin stick on a zuk case.
















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didn't think there was one.
Travis..

Oh please tell me what good a twin stick is over the split H pattern

I hope you guys are joking :confused:

[samiguy]

if T-cases came with 2 sticks someone would be trying to come up with a single stick claiming "you can do it all with only one stick!" :D

[divino92]

Well for about a year i have been wanting to twin stick my case, and today i figured was a good day. I know alot of people are pissed at rollerskate but give him a break, i was pissed at one time to but he emailed me and was very nice and explained his situation. Shit happens and if you really want a twin stick case , go make you own...its very simple, or wait till someone produces one. so until then, quit your bitching :eek: thanks
Dave

BTW ill post some pics later :grinpimp:

[MuddMachine]

I say produce the fawkin thing or get the fuck off the pot. So what there's no fawkin boot. But he wont let it go cuz his dumb ass is now 5G's in the hole and the patents not worth 5G's for a simple lil product. Rollerskate, you fucked up and you want EVERYONE to pay for your dumb ass patent. Maybe you are a great guy and your product does look sweet. But your acting like a fucking baby. Lesson learned about patents. Build it and sell it or suck it up.

:shaking:

[Bill4rest]

I hope you guys are joking :confused:


Still waiting dipshit, enlighten us please :rolleyes: If you're so dick bent on the twin stick ordeal....MAKE YOUR OWN!!


You bunch of whining pussy's wanting bolt on shit :rolleyes: :shaking:

[Bill4rest]

if T-cases came with 2 sticks someone would be trying to come up with a single stick claiming "you can do it all with only one stick!" :D

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:






It's called the split H pattern :D

[bogger61]

Twin stick is a BLING,BLING,BLING factor and nothing elase

[3D-RACING]

Get serious guys! :shaking:

[Bill4rest]

Get serious guys! :shaking:


So tell us what we're missing? Other than the 2nd stick poking out the fawlking floorboard?

With the split H pattern...........
I can be in 4WD High
4WD Low
2WD High
2WD Low
Once you're in Low or High, 2WD or 4WD is front to back. So it's easy
With a twin stick you can't do front digs without a disconnect. So What I'm I missing :shaking:

You guys are killing me, bunch of bolt on Queen’s:rolleyes:

[Rockrat]

So tell us what we're missing? Other than the 2nd stick poking out the fawlking floorboard?

With the split H pattern...........
I can be in 4WD High
4WD Low
2WD High
2WD Low
Once you're in Low or High, 2WD or 4WD is front to back. So it's easy
With a twin stick you can't do front digs without a disconnect. So What I'm I missing :shaking:

You guys are killing me, bunch of bolt on Queen’s:rolleyes:

Bill can you recommend some floral floor mats that will match my seat coverings on an 87 zuk...... HMMMM thats about all the tech I can think off for this thread.... :shaking:

[jerseyzuks]

So Scott, are you going to be marketing a Rock4x4 twinstick soon?

[Rockrat]

So Scott, are you going to be marketing a Rock4x4 twinstick soon?

To answer yes most likley, But I will save myself headache in that I am not giving a release date nor cost. Orion and I have colaberated on a design, I have taken care of the Boot And I am reworking some details. I dont have time right now to put into finishing product, Nor does Oriion. As you know the project truck is still on going. Once this is done and I have some room to breeth we will start where we left off.

[jerseyzuks]

To answer yes most likley, But I will save myself headache in that I am not giving a release date nor cost. Orion and I have colaberated on a design, I have taken care of the Boot And I am reworking some details. I dont have time right now to put into finishing product, Nor does Oriion. As you know the project truck is still on going. Once this is done and I have some room to breeth we will start where we left off.


Cool, put me down for one :smokin:

:SIDE NOTE: You going to be down at the Zu this year?

[Bill4rest]

Bill can you recommend some floral floor mats that will match my seat coverings on an 87 zuk...... HMMMM thats about all the tech I can think off for this thread.... :shaking:


Sure, Green background pink pedals and a yellow center would be dandy :flipoff2:

[Rockrat]

Sure, Green background pink pedals and a yellow center would be dandy :flipoff2:

Thanx I am rotten with Colors, thank god I am married with a wife with an eye for fasion.. LOL

[Rockrat]

Cool, put me down for one :smokin:

:SIDE NOTE: You going to be down at the Zu this year?

When they are released You know where it will be. And as far as the Zu, no we will not be making it down. 1145 miles one way and $1500 is alittle more then I want to do 2 times in a summer. we are looking at the spring event, possably try to be regular at that one. We had a good time this past spring but have to much on the plate to brake away not to mention gas prices.

[YotaAtieToo]

Bill can you recommend some floral floor mats that will match my seat coverings on an 87 zuk...... HMMMM thats about all the tech I can think off for this thread.... :shaking:

yeah I was just wondering if any progress had been made and then figured the page would fall back :shaking:

[Rockrat]

yeah I was just wondering if any progress had been made and then figured the page would fall back :shaking:


Just as it was getting good I had to throw my 2 cents in LOL :laughing:

[crashnzuk]

yeah I was just wondering if any progress had been made and then figured the page would fall back :shaking:
We're still waiting for you to enlighten us on why the twin stick is such a necessity. 3-dRacing's point is valid. When time is of the essence, a twin stick will get you into the gear you want without having to think about it. A trial rig on the other hand is not under such time constraints. So, we're waiting.
Travis..

[Rockrat]

Screw the twin stick.. I need to get my tripple stick working.

As for Rollerskate, I have said it before, and I'll say it again. You idiots are shooting yourselves in your own foot. If you think the twin stick is neat, you have not seen anything this man has to offer to the market place.

I forget if he ever posted up pics of his twin stick, but needless to say, it is damn clean. I think he has all of the production tooling built, last I heard the boot was the hang up, but I can't say that I have talked to him recently, so who knows the current status. If it makes you feel any better I doubt Brad has been out much if any to enjoy his Samurai, or other hobbies. Seems to keep busy cutting metal for folks.

As for him calling someone a prick, well as I recall the prick called him an asshole first. Brad is far from an asshole.

Rockrat, goodluck with your project. I think you know Brad a bit, and I hope all goes well for both of you as I think you have heard some of his issues and can probably see things from his point of view since you both come from a similar background.

-Wayne

Oh yeah, and something else about that asshole Brad. He could have saved a bunch of money by having the rubber boots produced in Asia, but he is kind of funny about keeping all work in the local area. Un-American, huh?

Brad and I have talked in the past and I understand 100% what the deal is and it is in my opinion VALID. I know the time will come, as far as our project yes we have debated and played with misc. parts we have machined up. Yes I have a sealing boot. As far as a time frame as stated I don’t know when. I have too many larger projects in the fire to rush and finish something that would net less then a 1/4 of what I bring in from other projects. As far as the bashing I think it is uncalled for. I have read just about every thread on the subject and have never once read where Brad threatened anyone with patent infringement. I HAVE READ where other people have put those words in his mouth. BUT Never Brad stating this. The Plain truth of the matter is.. IT IS A So-called luxury of Bling LOOK what I have, Plain and simple.
This is my opinion, may not be the masses or agreed with by everyone or anyone. Although I don’t post over here as much as I used too I have read allot and been here quite awhile. Long before most of the names that pop up that I am familiar with from other boards. I would guess there is not 15 people here that remember some of the original guys from this section. THE POR has always had a stigma that people talked about as being bad, Yep Truth but it had the best tech around. Now I am not so sure, I have seen more smack down over some of the pettiest shit that really doesn’t matter yet the excuse for being an ignorant ass is justified because it is the POR. if you don’t agree that is your right this is just my opinion.

[super_zook]

The only benefit I can see of the twin stick over the Split-H is that it would be easier and faster to switch to 2-Lo while using cutting brakes. For normal recreational trail usage, there is NO benefit!

[jerseyzuks]

The only benefit I can see of the twin stick over the Split-H is that it would be easier and faster to switch to 2-Lo while using cutting brakes. For normal recreational trail usage, there is NO benefit!


The reason I wanted a 2 low in my zuk is something that I thought no one else in this community would use. Ironically, Rollerskate's patent mentions this very reason.

I use my Zuk to tow a little 14' aluminum bass boat to the lakes (about a mile from my house on a back country road). 2 of the boat ramps I use are very steep, and it would be much easier to put the boat in and out of the water in low gear. Right now I use 4 low, but since the ramps are paved, it makes turning extremely difficult.

[hotwired]

I use my Zuk to tow a little 14' aluminum bass boat to the lakes (about a mile from my house on a back country road). 2 of the boat ramps I use are very steep, and it would be much easier to put the boat in and out of the water in low gear. Right now I use 4 low, but since the ramps are paved, it makes turning extremely difficult.

Back when I had a camping trailer I used to throw it in 4 low with the hubs unlocked. I could move the trailer around easily and still steer. Never went far like that so it never had a chance to hurt anything. No, it wasn't a zuk, F150 & F250, but it would work the same. Then you don't have to worry about a twin stick.

[jerseyzuks]

Back when I had a camping trailer I used to throw it in 4 low with the hubs unlocked. I could move the trailer around easily and still steer. Never went far like that so it never had a chance to hurt anything. No, it wasn't a zuk, F150 & F250, but it would work the same. Then you don't have to worry about a twin stick.

That would work on the ramp that's 100% concrete, but not the one with the sand bottom. Ideal situation would be 4 low to get out of the water on to the ramp, and 2 low for the concrete part (for the manuverability)

[Bill4rest]

The reason I wanted a 2 low in my zuk is something that I thought no one else in this community would use. Ironically, Rollerskate's patent mentions this very reason.

I use my Zuk to tow a little 14' aluminum bass boat to the lakes (about a mile from my house on a back country road). 2 of the boat ramps I use are very steep, and it would be much easier to put the boat in and out of the water in low gear. Right now I use 4 low, but since the ramps are paved, it makes turning extremely difficult.

You can do that with the split H :)

[jerseyzuks]

You can do that with the split H :)


Yup, sure could. :D

But it would be a lot easier with a twin stick, and when I have gravity and a boat trying to pull me back into the lake, easier is better. :grinpimp:

[super_zook]

Yup, sure could. :D

But it would be a lot easier with a twin stick, and when I have gravity and a boat trying to pull me back into the lake, easier is better. :grinpimp:

And gravity has what to do with any of this? Even with a twin stick you have to pass Nuetral to go from 4 to 2! In your case ... no benefit! Just get a Split-H, save the $$$ and the stress! :smokin:

[jerseyzuks]

And gravity has what to do with any of this? Even with a twin stick you have to pass Nuetral to go from 4 to 2! In your case ... no benefit! Just get a Split-H, save the $$$ and the stress! :smokin:


I have no problem hitting the brakes for a second, but I would like to know 100% that I am in 2Lo or 4Lo when I want to be. I have never used a split H, but from what others have told me, there is a bit of slop and a bit of guesswork with it.

[bulletproof]

the benefit is it NEVER gets jammed. i can't tell you how many times i have been wheeling with someone who had the h pattern or the s pattern and it has jammed wasting potential wheeling time.


i have shifted my twin stick thousands of time and have never had one single problem. it is quick, easy and reliable in my book.



if all of you "bolt on bandits" are so worried about it just send someone who has made their own a check and 2 sticks and you can have your own.

[ZukIzzy]

I have read all this and have to say. I had the splitH in my zuk for years but never really used it. I was bored once and took 2 shifters and made a twin stick. I use 2 low all the time now. Maybe not a nessesity but certainly easier and made my zuk more fun. Isnt that the point? By the way I don't bolt much on, the reason I wheel is to build stuff.

Wayne

[divino92]

And gravity has what to do with any of this? Even with a twin stick you have to pass Nuetral to go from 4 to 2! In your case ... no benefit! Just get a Split-H, save the $$$ and the stress! :smokin:

Last time i checked my twin stick, i dont have to pass Neutral to go from 2-4...thats why its called Twin Stick...one does 2-4 and the other does H-N-L :flipoff2:

[3D-RACING]

Last time i checked my twin stick, i dont have to pass Neutral to go from 2-4...thats why its called Twin Stick...one does 2-4 and the other does H-N-L
Thats rigth!
There is no neutral between 2-4, only between H-L...

[3D-RACING]

But the ultimate bolt-on for a Suzuki transfer is the rear disconect from Trail Tough!
Its a great product, and its really fun to use :D

[super_zook]

Last time i checked my twin stick, i dont have to pass Neutral to go from 2-4...thats why its called Twin Stick...one does 2-4 and the other does H-N-L :flipoff2:

DOH! My bad ... I thought it was the other way for some reason ... :confused:

[Bill4rest]

Yup, sure could. :D

But it would be a lot easier with a twin stick, and when I have gravity and a boat trying to pull me back into the lake, easier is better. :grinpimp:

I think there is a hoverass coming out... It allows you to move around on your ass and not have to walk….Talk about easy :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

[jerseyzuks]

I think there is a hoverass coming out... It allows you to move around on your ass and not have to walk….Talk about easy :rolleyes: :flipoff2:


Wow Bill, did somebody piss in your cereal?

Backing a boat down a really steep boat ramp is a bit tricky. Pulling it out of the water back up the ramp, especially when it is wet and covered in seaweed/grass/moss can also be tricky.

I just thought I could make it a little safer for those involved, and easier for myself.

[IKUZUS]

I think there is a hoverass coming out... It allows you to move around on your ass and not have to walk….Talk about easy :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Man.......what a life. Twin sticks and a hoverass. :D

[OKIE ZUK]

Twin sticks and hoverass = zero turning radius, what a Samurai you'd have. :laughing:

[Toolbox]

[QUOTE=jerseyzuks I just thought I could make it a little safer for those involved, .[/QUOTE]
Maybe pull your boat with your truck, if ya got one? that would be 'a little safer' :flipoff2:

[jerseyzuks]

Maybe pull your boat with your truck, if ya got one? that would be 'a little safer' :flipoff2:

It's actually easier to back down the ramp with the zuk than the big truck, and it's a heck of a lot easier to maneuver the boat in the yard with the zuk

[Bill4rest]

Wow Bill, did somebody piss in your cereal?

Backing a boat down a really steep boat ramp is a bit tricky. Pulling it out of the water back up the ramp, especially when it is wet and covered in seaweed/grass/moss can also be tricky.

I just thought I could make it a little safer for those involved, and easier for myself.


It does taste kinda funny :flipoff2:

[YotaAtieToo]

The only benefit I can see of the twin stick over the Split-H is that it would be easier and faster to switch to 2-Lo while using cutting brakes. For normal recreational trail usage, there is NO benefit!

You all make no sence you say the only advantage is faster, nicer, easyer, smoother shifting but that you dont need those luxuris on a trail rig :confused:

just cause its a trail rig doesn't mean that shifting has to be a big pita:shaking:

I have the split H and its suck major wang, It takes me like a full min for shift from high to low while my buddies are all looking at me waiting. :shaking:

If you don't know the advantage of a twin stick then STFU:flipoff2:

[Bill4rest]

You all make no sence you say the only advantage is faster, nicer, easyer, smoother shifting but that you dont need those luxuris on a trail rig :confused:

just cause its a trail rig doesn't mean that shifting has to be a big pita:shaking:

I have the split H and its suck major wang, It takes me like a full min for shift from high to low while my buddies are all looking at me waiting. :shaking:

If you don't know the advantage of a twin stick then STFU:flipoff2:



A FULL MIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bahahaahhahahhaha:laughing: :laughing:

Are you a Jerry's kid!? Holy crap man you are retarded...30 sec TOPS!!!!!!!! And if your friends are bent over you taking a min to Shift then Fawlk them too!!!!
Start nitting or something...A full min HA!!:rolleyes:

[super_zook]

I have the split H and its suck major wang, It takes me like a full min for shift from high to low while my buddies are all looking at me waiting. :shaking:

If you don't know the advantage of a twin stick then STFU:flipoff2:

Maybe you should start to learn how to shift slow with a manual transmission and then work your way up to the more difficult Split-H.

:flipoff2:

[YotaAtieToo]

A FULL MIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bahahaahhahahhaha:laughing: :laughing:

Are you a Jerry's kid!? Holy crap man you are retarded...30 sec TOPS!!!!!!!! And if your friends are bent over you taking a min to Shift then Fawlk them too!!!!
Start nitting or something...A full min HA!!:rolleyes:

I just put it in and am not used to it yet and I'm sure I could get faster and I was probally streching it a bit jeeze :flipoff2:

but I still think it sucks the big one, split H may be fine for some people but it shouldn't more then a few secs to shift for christs sake:shaking:

[supazuk94]

hey ts the same reason some people have diamnd plate vesus just regular aluminum ... bling!
hell i'll admit it i want one .. and .. yes i'm to lazy to screw with the moded H

[YotaAtieToo]

hey ts the same reason some people have diamnd plate vesus just regular aluminum ... bling!
hell i'll admit it i want one .. and .. yes i'm to lazy to screw with the moded H

You are wrong:flipoff2:

I hate diamond plate:rolleyes:

[supazuk94]

i quit he is jerry's kid!

[3D-RACING]

You are all girls:flipoff2:
STFU and go wheelin!

[OKIE ZUK]

You are all girls:flipoff2:
STFU and go wheelin!
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[bulletproof]

You are all girls:flipoff2:
STFU and go wheelin!



ok, i will............with my twin stick..........






:flipoff2:

[YotaAtieToo]

ok, i will............with my twin stick..........






:flipoff2:

:flipoff2:

[Grumpy...]

Well I have had my twin sticks done for a year now. Before that I had the sloppy "s" pattern. Personally I never could get the feel for the correct pattern to the sloppy "s". I do know what rail does what and how to shift. With my twin sticks, 2 low and every other version is a breeze. Faster shifting, easier to chose, and it has made wheeling funner than before. (There are times 2 high or low with the shift of a lever makes ones day. Example: Coming out of the woods into a large muddy open area and grabbin gears for a few childish doughnuts.) Rollerskate also contacted me when I began to want one and hopped on the train as this post has become. He was very polite and gave me permission to make one for myself and a few friends. All one has to do is get out and make one on thier own. It has been posted how, many times, and various ways as well. Less than 3 hours and you would be on your way.

[Hosejockey]

rumor has it dave got his back installed and tested
:grinpimp:

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