I wanted to know what everyone thought about warn versus ramsey in general. I have heard alot lately that warn doesnt pull its weight and that ramseys are a much better winch. I was told that this is the reason that you almost always see tow trucks running ramsey winches.

I was looking at the specs for the warn M15000 pounder and they list it as having a 4.6 horsepower motor and 315:1 gearing with a 7/16" cable. The ramsey 12000 RE is listed as having a 4.8 horsepower motor and 470:1 gearing. So I guess my question is can I put 7/16 cable on the ramsey and effectively turn it into a 15000 pound winch seeing that it apparently has more power and gearing than the warn unit even though it is rated at 3000 less pounds?

Warn must be :beer: or :smokin: something

The ramsey RE (and stupidwinch husky) use a worm gear set up rather than the planetary of the warns.

That alone makes it a better winch.

Ron

does anyone have either of these winches that can comment

t:vader:

By the numbers, an M12K pulls 9250# on the last wrap. A RE12K pulls 7500# on the last wrap, and 8600# on the next wrap.

A Husky 10 loses 2K# of pulling power for every wrap on the drum. By the time all the cable is on, you might as well get out and push.


Yeah, yeah... got the sheet backwards in my head to start with, and it's all downhill from there. :rolleyes:

How can it pull more on the 2nd wrap than on the drum??? :confused:

Squash

think you got that backwards, its the other way around. the more cable you pull out, the stronger the pull. till it slips off the drum that is:flipoff2:

See, now I have always heard the opposite... Warn is better over Ramsey.

And just because the motor is rated at 4.6 and 4.8 doesnt mean one will pull better than the other because of the numbers. Same with the gearing. There are more factors to take into account than just those two things.

Ken H.

on the motor rating i will agree but gearing is pretty constant comparison
I am also a worm drive fan, so warn gets disqualified early in the game.
I dont trust winch brakes

Originally posted by mj
on the motor rating i will agree but gearing is pretty constant comparison
I am also a worm drive fan, so warn gets disqualified early in the game.
I dont trust winch brakes

Just because it has lower gearing means it will pull better. Period as a statement.

Um, no.

If you take two exact motors and put differant gearing in them, yes the lower will pull a higher load. But, how slow will it get. Lower the gear the slower the winch will get.

I agree on the type of gearing issue though.

Originally I was meaning that there are other dependability type issues that need to be considered. In his first post it looked like he was just picking the winch based on the motor hp and gearing.

Ken H.

just go buy a 9000i and a snatch block, best of both worlds. besides, on most 4x4s, a m15000 and a snatch block would bend the frame.

Originally posted by aaronlosey
just go buy a 9000i and a snatch block, best of both worlds. besides, on most 4x4s, a m15000 and a snatch block would bend the frame.

Myself... with a 6500lb+ Blazer... 12k with a snatch block. See friends stall theirs using this. Required two get it out. So, I dont think I want to try anything smaller.


Ken H.

I agree with you on the motor issue that there is more to be considered there but I also know that ramsey introduced that motor right after warn did theirs so that they could one up them so it probably does produce more power. I also like the worm gears. Who cares how slow it goes if it can pull a building down. Any time you get the winch out it is going to be a slow process anyway. I also like it slow for precision winching and the brakes work better on the ramsey. I had a friend almost roll over when he used his warn in a precarious situation and the winch moved too quickly and then rolled to a stop before applying the brake. I know that makes the brakes last longer but when you are a hair from rolling over it feels much better to have the winch stop completley when you let off. I am told that worm gears are even better at this than the planetary ramseys. It seems that the only thing holding this winch back from pulling more weight is the cable or maybe the ramsey is a true 12000 pound and the warn is not a true 15000 pound. The latter is probably the case.

The more I get to know warns the more they seem like overpriced, overrated junk with a nice finish on the outside. Kind of like a taurus firearm. They are :rainbow:

hey you should listen to the things that i say on a daily basis beacause you know that I am right

I have used a ramsey re12000 for many,many years and have gotten alot of shit from the other guys in my group, until the smaller winches just could not pull any more, and mine did it with ease. I can say that I would get another ramsey worm gear winch. Not fast, but not walking home ether.

I have a friend that has a warn 12000 and it pulls well, but seems to need more jucie to be happy, think that the 15000 would be the same way.

All of the REAL big mud trucks around hear use a PTO setup, and I have been impressed as hell with those. So much so I am going to one on my scout. That is what I know.

Clark

speed means nothing to me when talking winches
so gearing = better
hate hearing the stall, then having to re rig

what we should do is run 2500 ATV winches and lots of snatch blocks :rolleyes:

both will have same dependability
Warn sells parts for a reason

I think reason has spoken, better to be slow than to be walking thanks alot guys.