Anyone running rockram on their daily driver? How is it? I'm considering putting this on my 80 Cherokee with 38s.

Well I don't think it's leagal, and your handling would suck and it would be dangerous.

Originally posted by Cryslr
Well I don't think it's leagal, and your handling would suck and it would be dangerous.


UMMMM please put down the :smokin: and slowly back away. Do you know what a "rock ram" is?





Rock ram, made by AGR, keeps the stock steering linkages, merely assists with turning. Think your thinking of a full hydro system.

Maybe the coffee hasnt kicked in yet.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Cryslr
Well I don't think it's leagal, and your handling would suck and it would be dangerous.

Why would you say that? Have you tried driving one on the street yet?

Ram assist is not illegal since you still have a mechanical linkage from the steering wheel all the way to the steering arms. Full hydro is illegal for a daily driver (excluding farm equip.)

in case ya didn't know early fords CAME with assist so I don't think it is illeagal.. (I think ford?)

I got it on mine and I don't have a tow rig so it will be seeing the road a lot..

Ok I'm talking out of my ass. I was thinking of full on hydro systems. Yeah I'm on my first cup.

I'm running the RockRam on my daily driver and it's awesome. Steering is much easier, but it doesn't always return to center when you're moving slow. It's no big deal though, I got used to it in a few days.

HEAD

Thanks HEAD, that's what I was hoping to hear.

Where does it say full hydro is illegal anyway, I have heard it over and over but nothing in writing.

If you respond please include a link to a state or federal site.

i saw the law once. full hydro is illegal because basically all hydros leak, period. most people don't do as much mait. as 4x4 people, so they figure if there are hydro setups running around, people will be losing their steering on the road and killing people, which is basically true. personally, i can't say my jeep is COMPLETELY safe for the road, since i've had a tire fall off, u-joint blow, one brake not working, ect... all on the road.

i think there would be to many unsafe people running setups that would cause accidents. look at people running 2 foot shackles and giant wooden lift blocks. they don't just kill themselves, they run over one of your family members with their 40 inch gumbos.

yes you should be legel

early International trucks that had power steering had a manual box but with a sending unit on the tie rod and a big ram. untill 68 when they went to the swagonsaw box

rock ram? umm nope it sucks on the road.... :D ill let you know how i like lake rats in a few weeks..... :D

Can't drive mine on the street, well not over 10 MPH, no play in the steering system. As soon as you turn slightly it turns, FAWKING AWESOME though! With big tires and my truck, its just not possible, talked to Lake Rat about it and he was stumped. He also said there shoudl be some play for those daily drivers. Mine doesn't though. Just do it, and buy a tow vehicle and trailer.

My F350 "expedition truck" isn't exactly my dd but it is what I use for a long trip since I always like to camp and screw around offroad and it's what I 'wheel in Baja with. And Baja is a long ways from Alaska. I'm running 325/85R16 XML Michelins which are 13X39", about 120-130 lb each + weight of steel wheel, about 160 total. The Rockram has completely eliminated shimmy. Center feel is less distinct but it's something you get used to like running a locker on pavement. All in all it's an improvement and the lack of shimmy reminds me constantly of the decreased stress on my steering box.
Charlie

Originally posted by Red FJ
Can't drive mine on the street, well not over 10 MPH, no play in the steering system. As soon as you turn slightly it turns, FAWKING AWESOME though! With big tires and my truck, its just not possible, talked to Lake Rat about it and he was stumped. He also said there shoudl be some play for those daily drivers. Mine doesn't though. Just do it, and buy a tow vehicle and trailer.

Are you talking 'RAM-ASSIST" or "FULL HYDRAYLIC"?

I HAVE IT ON MY CRUZAH .....ITS MY ONLY TRANSPORTATION......
A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN REGULAR PS ...BUT ROAD WORTHY FOR SURE

i may be a newbie but i know how to work the search button unlike some!http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36204&highlight=hydraulic+steering

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Why is it people insist on posting about things THEY HAVE NO FUCKING EXPERIENCE OF ?
Go back to reading the magazines and dreaming you dick !

The only issue with a RockRam setup is that it uses a constant ratio 16:1 steering box.

AGR doesn't 'recommend' these for on-road use, but everybody I know uses them :)
It is a little quicker in the steering that's all.

I have an AGR RockRam kit installed on my TJ with 8" of lift, 38.5x14.50 TSL/SXs and a Detroit in the rear.
I also have the RockRam mounted high up directly to the pitman arm and have no steering stabalisers anywhere.

Of all these 'dangerous' components, the Detroit is by far the worst in road mannerisms :)

Oh yeah, I also have a home made tie rod, drag-link and trackbar, all using heim joints and I run beadlocks on the street, so I suppose you'll be telling me my rig is a death trap next ?

Keep your stupid opinions to yourself and learn to post about things you have direct EXPERIENCE off.

DS
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DS,

I guess we're both driving death traps because I'm running beadlocks, custom tie rod, drag link and a heim jointed trac bar with the rock ram on my TJ too. I love living on the "edge".

HEAD :D

I've had a RockRam on my CJ-7 for about a year. Although it's not my daily driver it has seen lots of highway miles in places like Moab, Montrose etc. I've not noticed any appreciable difference in highway manners over how it was before and it's a hell of a lot better off road. I'm sure there are other systems that will do the same thing but as far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with the RockRam. As for fully hydraulic being illegal I too would like to see where that is written in the law. I had a 1993 Rockwood motorhome that was full hydraulic from the factory.

Originally posted by DippStick
Why is it people insist on posting about things THEY HAVE NO FUCKING EXPERIENCE OF ?
Go back to reading the magazines and dreaming you dick !

The only issue with a RockRam setup is that it uses a constant ratio 16:1 steering box.

AGR doesn't 'recommend' these for on-road use, but everybody I know uses them :)
It is a little quicker in the steering that's all.

I have an AGR RockRam kit installed on my TJ with 8" of lift, 38.5x14.50 TSL/SXs and a Detroit in the rear.
I also have the RockRam mounted high up directly to the pitman arm and have no steering stabalisers anywhere.

Of all these 'dangerous' components, the Detroit is by far the worst in road mannerisms :)

Oh yeah, I also have a home made tie rod, drag-link and trackbar, all using heim joints and I run beadlocks on the street, so I suppose you'll be telling me my rig is a death trap next ?

Keep your stupid opinions to yourself and learn to post about things you have direct EXPERIENCE off.

DS
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WTF is your problem. The dude just asked folks how the street manners are with the assist. Geeeeeze! Also, what kinda jackass runs the ram to the pitman arm? YOU:rainbow:

I'd say that 99% of all my customers have loved the way they drive in the highway. Most drive better that they did stock. Only drawback is that at slower speeds the ram has a tendancy to slow down the steering speed as a whole. I can drive my jeep with 38.5 claws or 39.5 boggers at 70mph with one finger.
And Red FJ, rae you still having problems? give me a call so we can get you fixed up right.

HEY LAKERAT ... Soo, are you the RcokRam man? I am looking to set one up under my '76 Chero on a Chevy D60. What can you do for me here? TIA!! :beer:

I agree with dippstick. If you dont have experience Than dont fucking talk out your ass. Im so tired of hearing I heard bullshit.
Full hydro drives nicer on the road than my brand new 2000 truck does and any other stock truck Ive ever drove. (experience).

Actually I'm the RedNeck Ram guy, Same thing just MUCH less exspencive. Just the way all us RedNecks like it. ;)
Give me a call tomorrow and we'll discuss what you have and what you need.

ha ha ha ha ha a high tech.................. redneck! :D

To be honest, I was going to take it apart like you said, but I have a run in 2.5 weeks and have decided to leave it till after. Building my cage right now and don't want something else to look at. Will play with later. Don't need to drive fast where I am going.

I have the Hydro-Assist it drives on the road fine.
Boss

Originally posted by Keith


WTF is your problem. The dude just asked folks how the street manners are with the assist. Geeeeeze! Also, what kinda jackass runs the ram to the pitman arm? YOU:rainbow:

Ok DS's comments where kinda heated, but your making yourself look like the jackass here for ripping on a setup that works, think about it what does mounting to the pitman arm hurt? Maybe ask the Curries, they run that setup.

Originally posted by NE-RokToy


Ok DS's comments where kinda heated, but your making yourself look like the jackass here for ripping on a setup that works, think about it what does mounting to the pitman arm hurt? Maybe ask the Curries, they run that setup.


true currie did, i believe they changed.... and dont hold me too it but according to Matt, it is better to spread the forces throughout the system instead of putting all the force on the sector shaft.... i really wanted to go pitman due to lack of kingpins.... but im gonna try my damndest not too... :D

Originally posted by NE-RokToy


Ok DS's comments where kinda heated, but your making yourself look like the jackass here for ripping on a setup that works, think about it what does mounting to the pitman arm hurt? Maybe ask the Curries, they run that setup.

Ok clown:flipoff2: Does Currie have the best tasting spoooooge, is that why you think his shit don't stink? Too used to it?
That setup will work until it doesn't anymore. I will be sure to point out the failure when I drive around. That is the :rainbow:est way to mount the ram. I did not realize that the Tennessee inbreading had spread west to NE.

Thanks for the backup Rob!!!:D

Originally posted by Keith


Ok clown:flipoff2: Does Currie have the best tasting spoooooge, is that why you think his shit don't stink? Too used to it?
That setup will work until it doesn't anymore. I will be sure to point out the failure when I drive around. That is the :rainbow:est way to mount the ram. I did not realize that the Tennessee inbreading had spread west to NE.

Thanks for the backup Rob!!!:D lol im backin you up.... but i might be doin the gay set up too if i can figure out a better way for now.... see, with bullshit balljointed tj knuckles the damned tierod (much larger than stock)almost hits the nine inch pumpkin at full turn.... im thinkin bout commin off the coil mount on the drivers side, and running the ram on top of the tie rod... if i have the room..... its very close.... if i cant do that (im betting one way or another i will) then i wont have much of a choice but to go from passenger frame to pitman.. :eek: for this year only till i get my 60 built and put it where it belongs.... so as wrong as it is, and i sure can see why, i just might have to do it that way for now.... crosing fingers not!