4 or 3 link front

[Hosejockey]

im new at this 4 link crap just got done with the back

now i want the front done i went out and bought some fox coilovers but im having trouble figuring out where to place the links due to conflicting parts

what im asking is if people can post pics of theres


heres a few pics of how my 4 link turned out.

1 inch heims

2 inch 7075 lowers
1.5 inch 7075 uppers

7 inches vert sep at the axle
5 at the frame

36 eye to eye link length
http://www.misfitoffroad.com/phpbb/files/jeep_4_link_003__2_.jpg
http://www.misfitoffroad.com/phpbb/files/jeep_4_link_004__2_.jpg
in this last pic i canned the coil bucket idea and ended up bolting the coil down at each end
http://www.misfitoffroad.com/phpbb/files/jeep_4_link_010__2_.jpg

im running a center limiting strap due to d shaft angle problems
http://www.misfitoffroad.com/phpbb/files/d2_134.jpg http://www.misfitoffroad.com/phpbb/files/n2.jpg

[Hosejockey]

oh and the search blows nuts

[JohnnyJ]

There's some pics (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=335724) of mine in my latest build up thread.

We broke all the rules and put the upper link on the driver's side above the pig because it made it easier to package. Technically it's supposed to be centered or on the passenger side to help the torque reactions during accel/braking, but I've been pretty happy with my setup. I remember reading about a guy that did the same a few years ago (2002-3 timeframe) running a similar setup to mine, and he was happy with it, so I figured f'it.

From watching videos, I think I lift a little in the front on acceleration when climbing, but it could be the weight transfer front/rear with the soft air shocks in the back. Definitely not anything I'm worried about.

Mine is a copy of a friends that we put together last summer, except his upper link was above the lower on the driver's side on the outside of the frame of his CJ. It reacts very similarly to mine. I'm not sure if you made it to GG this weekend (I didn't :( ), but he was up there in an orange back-halfed CJ running SAW coilovers front & Fox airshocks rear.

I've also helped a friend put a front 4-link in. It was kind of a nightmare, but that was partly to do with the fact that he wanted 1/4e in front. We managed to package it all in there, and it seems to work pretty well from what he's said.

The 3-link w/ panhard was much easier to work with.

[Bushwhacker]

Here's my 3 link front. Made my truss too high so I dont have much room between my bolt and harmonic balancer. I'm running fox air shocks also.

http://www.midwestjeepthing.com/jeep/member/images/Bushwhacker/3%20link.jpg

[BrettM]

im running a center limiting strap due to d shaft angle problems
http://www.misfitoffroad.com/phpbb/files/d2_134.jpg

it looks like you have a fair bit of flex steer, could you reply to this post about that? thanks: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395870

[Hosejockey]

hey johny i didnt relize your were in hartland im not far from you i live south of fenton of 23

i didnt goto gitchee to much little thing to get done to make a trail worthy vehicle i ended up going to the badlands

[Hosejockey]

it looks like you have a fair bit of flex steer, could you reply to this post about that? thanks: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395870

i havent really wheeled it very much since i had it done but i didnt notice it at all when driving i think the angle of the pic is a little decieving

[MrWillys]

Here's mine, it's nothing radical like the other guys. I keep my rig appearing somewhat stock, but you'll get the idea. 3-link with a panhard unless you go hydro on the steering. The one thing I wish I would have done was to make the upper link about 2/3 the length of the lowers. BrettM did a post on why this works best on the front if you can find it. Other than that, after getting the spring rates dialed. I'm pleased with the overall performance. Also, you might conside slightly less seperation at the frame vertically like you did on your rear.

[Hosejockey]

Here's my 3 link front. Made my truss too high so I dont have much room between my bolt and harmonic balancer. I'm running fox air shocks also.

http://www.midwestjeepthing.com/jeep/member/images/Bushwhacker/3%20link.jpg


do you have any pics of your upper frame mounts


or any one else im having packaging issues on the driver side

[Bushwhacker]

More buildup pics in my sig. I took the exhaust off till the links were done and then trailered it to an exhaust shop for a custom job.

The upper mounts are 2x4 box steel angle in and gusseted at the bottom.

My shaft rubs my lower arm at full droop, but it hasnt been a problem. I'm thinking about moving the lowers to the outside of the frame so I can get rid of my lower crossmember and have nothing below the frame.

The 4.0L and 4500 dont leave much room for arms and crossmembers.

[wlsmoku]

man - I thought I had better pics, but I really don't....

4 link w/pan hard

let me know if you need any additional pics
http://www.piratemotorsports.net/trips/moab05/DSC02474.JPG

might have a few pics here that help you too....
http://www.piratemotorsports.net/jerry/Jerry.htm

[XtremeEngineering]

Heres a pic of a Jeep that has three link plus panhard with hydro assist. Drives on the road often.

2"x14 Sway-A-Ways

[XtremeEngineering]

Heres a pic of the Jeep

[XtremeEngineering]

Here is a good side shot of a simular suspension

[XtremeEngineering]

If you plan to keep the steering box then that is the way I would go. If you are down to go full hydro then I would do a four link.

[Hosejockey]

im full hydro already my problem if getting a 4 link to clear my exaust and d shaft

i will post some pics of the under side of my rig

[Hosejockey]

alirght this first pics is not to current but the only thing i changed was the t case and the front axle and 4 linked the rear but you get the idea

http://www.misfitoffroad.com/phpbb/files/aaa_2__472.jpg

http://www.misfitoffroad.com/phpbb/files/pirate_pic.jpg

http://www.misfitoffroad.com/phpbb/files/pirate_picture.jpg

my problem is the exuast basically there is no room for a upper link of any kind except on the passenger side where i think its gonna hit the d shaft

[JohnnyJ]

is your front full width?

[Bushwhacker]

Here's mine from underneath. I had them cut the exhaust off and rerun it.

http://www.midwestjeepthing.com/jeep/member/images/Bushwhacker/JeeponSideCropped.jpg

[Hosejockey]

yup im runnin a full width 60 and 14 bolt

[Hosejockey]

it seems my body is so snug to the frame and the motor sits so low im not going to be able to have more than one upper link

[Hosejockey]

what about front links like this does it work
http://pics.montypics.com/44x195/2005-09-16/1126925409_100_1411.jpg
http://pics.montypics.com/44x195/2005-09-16/1126925280_100_1722.jpg
http://pics.montypics.com/44x195/2005-09-16/1126902233_100_1790.jpg

[JohnnyJ]

Yep, but running the upper link all the way to the frame does have benefits over a radius arm setup (like in the pic). You can set it up so that caster doesn't change as the front end moves, so in between trails or on the way to the party store you don't have as much steering correction required. It supposedly changes the torque reactions, too.

Truthfully, I don't know if it's a big deal. I ran the RE LA with radius arms for a few years without any headaches; it was a DD when I first installed it. When we first swapped in my d60s we reused the front suspension as is and I don't see much difference other than from wheelbase effects with my current setup.

But, on paper, it does make a bit of difference; and maybe some of my reduced hop is from moving away from the radius arms and not just the long wheelbase.

The orange CJ I mentioned earlier runs his arms similar to mine, but they are all hung off the outside of his frame. (I just looked for pics, but I have none.) You should be able to do the same, but I'd recommend hanging the upper arm off the pass side as is recommended. The axle mount can be very similar to the CJ shown, or even, {gasp} Mr Willys.

My TJ frame was too wide, so I woulda had a very crappy turning radius, so I dropped my lowers under the frame and moved the upper to the inside of the frame. Otherwise, the geometry was copied. I'm pretty happy with it.

[chris demartini]

yours looks like mine does underneath. im going to do two lowers with an upper on the passengers side and a panhard. if it works, great. if its not perfect it still cant suck as much as my shitty leaf setup does now

[MrWillys]

but I'd recommend hanging the upper arm off the pass side as is recommended. The axle mount can be very similar to the CJ shown, or even, {gasp} Mr Willys.

Maybe we can get some counseling for you. I know this was tough for you to admit. Maybe, we can have you building motors and really fabbing the entire rig before you know it.
My name is JohnnyJ and MrWillys........
It is the first step.

[XtremeEngineering]

Both the gray Jeep and Toyota truck have that type of front suspension. It works great. If you look under projects on our website you will find many good pics of the Toys front end. Heres a pic of my old comp rig that had that same setup with full hydro.

[XtremeEngineering]

Heres another pic from the side

[strangler]

I really wish I could just find a good TJ to buy

A guy in Livonia has one for sale, if thats not too far from you......

[Hosejockey]

thanks a ton extreme eng. i will check out your site did you notice any bad diving charactoristics (holy shit i cant spell) with your comp buggy or did it lift much while climbing

[XtremeEngineering]

It did jack to a certain extent. But it was built with a ton of anti squat in the rear and to run a tight center limit strap. I feal that the way the Tacoma is in the picture I posted is a beter way. If you look at the pic I posted and the pics on the site then you will see it now has two independent links on the drivers side rather than two into one. The old comp rig still managed to place 20th in the Pronational series 2003. Only rolled 1 time all year and finished every event. So it worked pretty good.

Let me know if I can help or i fyou need better pics.
Nick

[Hosejockey]

A guy in Livonia has one for sale, if thats not too far from you......
guys in livonia are gay