I have a set of 40 hawgs and will soon have some longfields. Well I wanna hack up the tread. One how much stench should I expect? I know its basically a cutting iron, but don't know all the details. I asked mepco and 4wpw and neither said they had em. One guy recomended a big rig tire shop. How much do they cost? How do I use it? I will be a virgin trying to get my groove on for the first time. I wanna be impressed with the end result.

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The actual name of the product you want is "Ideal 250 watt heated tire grooving knife".

here is the pattern. BTW I'm the toy :D

damn DRM your quick :D thanx.
Do ya think they need groovin for rocks ??:beer:

afco is a little cheeper. How long does a blade last? How fast is a "fast groover"? If it is like my cheep ass saldering guns they will be SLOW!!!

what size blade would be appropriate? they have several different ones just wondering what people have used and about how many cuts per lug and what not pics would be cool

Originally posted by swamper502
what size blade would be appropriate? they have several different ones just wondering what people have used and about how many cuts per lug and what not pics would be cool

I used a #5 blade on my SX's. Works great :)

Buy an extra package of blades while you're at it.

got mine at afco, bout a year ago.... works good, yeahh get xtra blades, youll use them

If you're using the little ones (it would suck to use one professionally, but it work fine on 4 tires, and then gathering dust for a year on the shelf) don't do it on a cold day - it should be t-shirt weather. Trust me.

The best way to use a little one (which is basically a soldering iron with a cutting tip and a stop to keep you from going too far) is to get the tires out in the sun for a couple minutes before you start, and cut the third of the tire that's directly in the sun, then roll it over, and cut another tire while that one heats up.

You don't even have to unmount the tires, really. Just cut both on one side, rolling the truck a foot or two to reposition, and then turn around in your space and get the other side in the sun. The warm day and the sun make a HUGE difference with the dinky irons.

Oh, and it will smell like burning rubber. Since you're... burning rubber.

Need more input.... Experienced input if you would. Hows the best way to cut a solid tread? Like the hawgs or gumbos or what have ya? Is it diamons you make or triangles? Hell I was thinking of tractor tread :D

I jsut got my afco groover in the mail the other day and I got my siper in the mail today:D:D:D

Now I gotta learnhow to properly use them:D:D:D come awn guys experienced people wanted

Originally posted by Skyetone
I have a set of 40 hawgs and will soon have some longfields. Well I wanna hack up the tread. One how much stench should I expect? I know its basically a cutting iron, but don't know all the details. I asked mepco and 4wpw and neither said they had em. One guy recomended a big rig tire shop. How much do they cost? How do I use it? I will be a virgin trying to get my groove on for the first time. I wanna be impressed with the end result.

I got a "Rilfit" grooving tool. It is supposedly the best for what we are doing. The tool has 4 heat settings and only heats up when you push the blade/handle. You can also set depth with the blade.The blades have a razor side that cuts the rubber. The bad part is you have to keep the blade in the rubber, or it will make the blade weak and bend. Then its usless.
They are kinda pricey, but are very easy to use and has the capability of using different types of blades.
I cut my Hawgs in 45 minutes. I just made the spaces wider and cut a groove in alternate outer lugs.
Here is a link scroll down for the pic

http://www.arizonaracemart.com/parts.htm

Ricky...seeya...

Originally posted by Daniel
Hi I am in the tire grooving business and you want to but the best... The cheap ones are exactly that.. they wont last... I bought and recommend Myers tire supply groover best toughest out there Huh Brutus...
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Originally posted by RickyR


I got a "Rilfit" grooving tool. It is supposedly the best for what we are doing. The tool has 4 heat settings and only heats up when you push the blade/handle. You can also set depth with the blade.The blades have a razor side that cuts the rubber. The bad part is you have to keep the blade in the rubber, or it will make the blade weak and bend. Then its usless.
They are kinda pricey, but are very easy to use and has the capability of using different types of blades.
I cut my Hawgs in 45 minutes. I just made the spaces wider and cut a groove in alternate outer lugs.
If you need a part # let me know...
Ricky...seeya...

Do you have a website for that grooving iron??? And how much did you pay

Originally posted by Supergper


Do you have a website for that grooving iron??? And how much did you pay

I edited my post, but here is the link again.

http://www.arizonaracemart.com/parts.htm

I found mine on ebay for $150 :smokin:

Ricky...seeya...

Hard to see, but I think you get the idea of how this GroundHawg was cut (the owner used a chainsaw actually :p )

http://www.tennessee4x4.com/rocketcity/hummerland/front_view_of_hyd._system.jpg

Maybe this pic is better:

http://www.tennessee4x4.com/toyota/images/nmcreek-10.JPG

Originally posted by Skyetone
Need more input.... Experienced input if you would. Hows the best way to cut a solid tread? Like the hawgs or gumbos or what have ya? Is it diamons you make or triangles? Hell I was thinking of tractor tread :D

Check out Performance Unlimited's website (http://performanceunlimited.com/customservices/tiregrooming.html) . They groove Hawgs and have some examples of different tread options on their site.

The Ideal model 125 groover is not as bad as some will have you believe. The key is to wait for it to get up to temperature. Trying to push a cold knife through a cold tire will only bend the blade and requires a lot of effort. When the knife is up to temperature it should glide through fairly easily and quickly. If you notice that it is getting harder and slower it is more likely the temperature falling off than the blade getting dull. When the body of the tool is glowing red hot it is good to go. With mine I could feel a very slight vibration when it was hot enough. In my opinion the professional groovers cost too much to have sitting on a shelf doing nothing after you've used it for three or four hours.

The tool comes with a #5 head but I bought a #6 head to do my tires.

Whatever you do, DO NOT TOUCH the head or body of the iron to your skin. I know this sounds obvious but be extra careful. It will take the first two layers of skin off in about 1/10th of a second! :eek:

Hey Paul - I have the #250 groover - and for the slight price difference I would think the hotter version would be well worth it...


I know on mine the instructions said not to hang it tip down while it is on - the ambient heat alone will melt the handle :eek:

Has anyone seen a ho-made groover that worked ?
I seem to remember something about a welder and a hacksaw blade, but It might have been a dream.

The model 125 is a 250 watt iron. I believe we have the same one.

http://store2.yimg.com/I/randys-racemart_1667_2523483

http://www.randys-racemart.com/tirgroovir.html

From what I have found...different companies call it different things but it is the same groover...thats the picture of it...

Here are a few pics of the grooving I did with the el cheapo Ideal Tire Iron and a #5 Blade. It was slow work and it did get stinky, and I used about 5 blades. But it improved the preformance of my 1/2 worn out swampers a great deal. It was well worth the 8 hours I spent on each tire! :D If you dont live in a warm environment like Alaska, then you can preheat the tire with an el cheapo propane torch. I spent alot of time on these tires but It didnt cost me any where near what a used set of boggers would have. So I figure I came out ahead. Plus people always ask me what kind of tires those are. When I tell them they just shake their head. :D :D Its worth it just for the conversation piece. of course I could be :smokin:

http://www.alaskaoffroad.com/images/Tech/cut38s7.jpg http://www.alaskaoffroad.com/images/Tech/cut38s6.jpg http://www.alaskaoffroad.com/images/Tech/cut38s4.jpg

If a person was to get a H.D. 250 iron and install the #1 blades ( .053'') does this make the tool a tire "syper" or does tire syping use a different tool and technic?

If a person was to get a H.D. 250 iron and install the #1 blades ( .053'') does this make the tool a tire "syper" or does tire syping use a different tool and technic?

not really, if you want to sypes then just use the regular blade, like a #5, upside down.



Id like to see those 54's. Man I bet that "Boss" kicks ass on my Ideal!:flipoff2: I want our club to get one of those :D

bttt

racemart wins. I can just order it now.online, at 1130pm my time :D I love the net!!

Originally posted by Skyetone
bttt

OK, I give up.
Where do I find the glossary for all the fawking abbreviations!

hell I dunno....
Bttt back to the top
:D

Originally posted by DRM
Hard to see, but I think you get the idea of how this GroundHawg was cut (the owner used a chainsaw actually :p )

http://www.tennessee4x4.com/rocketcity/hummerland/front_view_of_hyd._system.jpg

Hey, that's Steve Curet's rig (aka Titanic)...wheeled with him last Fall in Tellico. His truck is the shiznitz!! It's a shame he scrapped the body and is going to do the S-10 Hybrid thing...still will be bad ass though...probably even better :)...

As for the Tire groover....This forum really rocks, b/c I had the same Q's in my head...just never asked. I guess I'll be going with, what some of yall would consider the el-cheapo unit :flipoff2:, from Afco racing. Then I'll be cuttin' up the 39.5"s that I haven't even ordered yet:D. Wish I could afford "The Boss" though....would save plenty of hours I'm sure...
Boss