Ok , the name escapes me right now but I was lookin at the zine last night and there was an add for axle shafts for 44's with their own oversize u-joints (specifically for their shafts only)

anyone know what I am talkin bout, started with an S

Any thoughts on these?

Originally posted by Brandon
Ok , the name escapes me right now but I was lookin at the zine last night and there was an add for axle shafts for 44's with their own oversize u-joints (specifically for their shafts only)

anyone know what I am talkin bout, started with an S

Any thoughts on these?

Superior, and warns are better.

that is what I was thinkin - they look pretty beefy!

Anyone running them, what are you basing WARN's are better on? Not doubting you just curious since I will be needing some soon..

I don't see what makes warns better, both are made from 4340 I think it is and both have hardened yokes. The only "Oversize" joint shafts are for dana 30's. but superior does have a beefier U-joint coming out, however I beleive it will use dana caps which plows donkey balls.

http://www.footeaxle.com/Media/AxlesFrontwKnuckle.jpg

2 year warranty on em, what does WARN offer?

I wonder if that is the right pic, those aren't full circle clips :(

Super Alloy shafts have a two-year warranty. The NEW Super Alloy shafts feature rolled splines and are heat treated twice – resulting in the strongest front axles available!

Originally posted by NE-RokToy
I don't see what makes warns better, both are made from 4340 I think it is and both have hardened yokes. The only "Oversize" joint shafts are for dana 30's. but superior does have a beefier U-joint coming out, however I beleive it will use dana caps which plows donkey balls.

Do we really need to go into this again. Do a search. The superiors are not made from the same material and i'll bet their joints don't hold the lifetime warranty that CTM's joints do, and his are tested.

Just thought I'd see if anyone was running em and had expereinces is all. I know warns are tested

those arent full C-clips but it sure does look like the axle shafts will except them.

I have searched and payed attention to passed threads I can't find anything that says that warn and superior are made of different material, however I couldnt find anything that says they have the same :p all I know is BOTH are some type of CrMo and both have hardened yokes, I guess I may have to be a guinea pig to see if the superiors hold up.

Good post IMHO Brandon. I inquired about these this week from a local club member/part house. He couldn't get any price info, and said they in the process of setting everything up for the "common applications" Not sure if this mean an improved design or what. He's going to keep me posted as to the status.

I have no idea what Warns, Moser or any shafts run really. I'm going t orun stockers and maybe upgrade this fall/winter hopefully.

Thanks
Chris

I just called Superior. Their axles/joints ARE made from 4340 (same as Warn). They are still in development stage; can't even say what applications they'll be available for (except starting with Jeeps). Joints WILL accept a full-circle snapring. "Oversize" joint is 297-size; oversize is relative to the 260 size in the D30's. They can't say if one longer than 36" can be made (I've got an old Dodge D44).

Certainly the rolled splines do make the axle stronger (in the splines) than Warn; rest is probably the same. IMO a 4340 joint won't lose much in strength to 300M (certainly MUCH better than 5-760x) and if they're much less than $150 then they will have a market niche.

they got ads in every freakin zine and they don't even sell em??

Yeah, that's just what I was thinking. No info on their website either. Nothing like trying to plan an axle buildup on vapor-ware.

Originally posted by Lloyd
I just called Superior. Their axles/joints ARE made from 4340 (same as Warn). They are still in development stage; can't even say what applications they'll be available for (except starting with Jeeps). Joints WILL accept a full-circle snapring. "Oversize" joint is 297-size; oversize is relative to the 260 size in the D30's. They can't say if one longer than 36" can be made (I've got an old Dodge D44).

Certainly the rolled splines do make the axle stronger (in the splines) than Warn; rest is probably the same. IMO a 4340 joint won't lose much in strength to 300M (certainly MUCH better than 5-760x) and if they're much less than $150 then they will have a market niche.

I knew I was right just couldnt find the facts I had in the past, thanks Lloyd!

Well shit, looks like i'm the one who needs to do more research, sorry guys.

I think I will try to get a pair (eventually), there are lots of WARNS to compare em to if I do I will do a writeup

Originally posted by Lloyd
. IMO a 4340 joint won't lose much in strength to 300M (certainly MUCH better than 5-760x) and if they're much less than $150 then they will have a market niche.

well in testing on lances rig the 4340 joint lasted less than one day of arca competion and the 300m has so far lasted several competions. including several fun runs one of which resulted in a broken axle shaft. simple fact is the 300m is almost twice the psi rated strenght of 4340

Originally posted by camo


well in testing on lances rig the 4340 joint lasted less than one day of arca competion and the 300m has so far lasted several competions. including several fun runs one of which resulted in a broken axle shaft. simple fact is the 300m is almost twice the psi rated strenght of 4340

and about twice as much $.

Originally posted by Goat Boy


and about twice as much $.

well if they last 4 times as long then they actually cost you 1/2 as much. :flipoff2:

what good is a performance part if it doesn't actually perform ?

Sorry, I didn't know that a 4340 joint had been produced or tested (can't read or remember everything). Is the yield stress really twice? I thought it was 135K vs. 190K, but I could be mistaken.

Originally posted by camo


well if they last 4 times as long then they actually cost you 1/2 as much. :flipoff2:

what good is a performance part if it doesn't actually perform ?

Good call on the break even analysis. Did they teach you that in glitter school???:D

Originally posted by Lloyd
Sorry, I didn't know that a 4340 joint had been produced or tested (can't read or remember everything). Is the yield stress really twice? I thought it was 135K vs. 190K, but I could be mistaken.

my bad..

4130 is 125 psi
4340 is 275 psi
300m is 300psi

Yeah, my bad too. I can't remember shit. Are those stresses yield or tensile? Assuming there wasn't anything wrong with the 4340 joint Lance tested, then he's running within less than 10% of blowing the CTMs. You can, BTW, take a piece of 4340 and through a combination of bad processing (heat and machining) get a new part that'll fail under 60K. I still think that IF Superior can make a 4340 joint properly, and keep the cost down, people will buy them. I'd much rather have the CTMs in a 60, but still can't find a damn housing to start with.

they are NOT cheap, price was in the zines over a grand for the set

D44 Warns + CTMs = $900

And you can actually buy those today.

Originally posted by Brandon
they are NOT cheap, price was in the zines over a grand for the set
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tensile

Originally posted by camo


my bad..

4130 is 125 psi
4340 is 275 psi
300m is 300psi

Actually. 4340 is usually heat treated to about 230 UTS. 300M is usually heat treated to about 290-300 UTS. Thats about a 20%-23% increase in strength.

LOOK AT r4x4.com see what they have

Originally posted by ford
LOOK AT r4x4.com see what they have

what are you talking about?

Originally posted by ford
LOOK AT r4x4.com see what they have

WOW!! $500 axles that are "stronger than stock" Whoooopty Dooooo!!

Camo, where do you get m axles made? Do you know of a place that can do it? I thought about asking Jack, but he's busy on the u-joints right now.

sandy cone builds my 300m axles 805-239-2663


cost is about 600 pair. if you are want them for the front you also need yokes and they are about 125 each.