Diesel tranny options

[SlowRVR]

Putting a 200Tdi in a Range Rover, I have a few options. If I want to keep the ZF, barring getting a new ZF from a 300tdi, what exactly needs to be changed? Not sure opening up an auto tranny is something I want to do.
If I swap to a manual, does anyone know if the BW transfer case will bolt up? Also, does anyone know if a Disco pedal box with clutch pedal will bolt up or will it interfere with the dash support?

[JLanigan]

I don't think the BW case will bolt to either the lt77 or r380

I think the 300tdi auto is electronically controlled (to some degree at least)

I'd say your best bet is to get either the assembly whole cos you'll need a manual from a diesel as well, the v8 ones won't do.

the operative words here being "I think"

[Puffdragon]

I have heard the V8 ZF will work fine, but is not ideal. It is however possible to modify the Gasser tranny to work well with the diesle. I think Pendy knows what you need to do.

[pendy]

search m and d engineering in the UK for ideas on this. the bw case will bolt to either manual transmission. 200 tdi are not my forte'

JP

[SlowRVR]

I've been told you need to change the input shaft on the ZF, which requires completely stripping down the transmission. Ugh.

I cannot get the M&D Engineering site to open. Maybe you meant search pirate for M&D. I'll have to try that after work.

[SlowRVR]

Does the MD Engineering site work anymore? They haven't changed their address in their adverts.

[64rovr]

I do not believe the 200 ever came paired with an auto trans, but for the record it shares the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 2.25/2.5L series of engines. Your best bet will be a manual trans, I would go LT77 as there is nothing really wrong with them unlike what others will tell you. A 200tdi and an auto trans, if you can find a way to pair them together, will be working very very hard to move a Range Rover down the road at any decent rate of speed.

[SlowRVR]

Yeah, I've come to that conlusion. Switching to an LT77 is actually relatively straight forward. I was hoping a Disco pedal "box" would fit, as all the clutch pedal fittings are there already, but I've been told it won't. I thought the dash support might foul things up. Not sure if that is the problem or not though.

[landybehr]

The combination of 200tdi and zf-autobox was produced by Rover (in the DiscoveryI only though) !
For a short period of about a year or two until the 300tdi came (then in the Range Rover too).
I could drove that transmission in a 300tdi-Defender, and met a guy who made a adapter himself and put a RangeRover autobox into a 200tdi Defender. So anything is possible. Anyway, it drives reasonably well. It needs getting used to the tdi raising the revs and noise and the car only moving after a short delay. It really makes things better to have the tdi tuned when using it with a automatic.

I think mating the autobox to the 300tdi is slightly easier (if you also take the autobox out of a Tdi), but I think the necessary adapter plates are no longer available from Rover. Used parts are rather difficult to get - even with 300tdi parts (which had a higher production rate). Personally I don´t think that this alone justifies to give up and mount a manual transmission.

One problem is that the zf in the V8 Range Rover has a bigger TorqueConverter-housing, therefore it will not fit the 200tdi even with OEM adapter kit (one the other hand the bigger T/C makes it better suited to the torque of the Tdi; Rover seems to have choses a "soft" T/C for emission reasons or whatever with the tdi-autobox (compared to the V8 autobox)).
The shift points are set for a V8 rather than a diesel in a V8-autobox but one can modify it with reasonable effort (of live with that, if you´re tolerant).
MD-Engineering do sell a complete adapter kit to mate the V8-autobox to the tdi; price is around 1000$. Their Adress is listed below.


__________________________________________________ _


David Jackson. Managing Director. Motor & Diesel Engineering (Anglia) Ltd.,
Rowan Farm,
Priory Road,
Ruskington,
Sleaford,
Lincs.
NG34 9DJ
United Kingdom.

Tel. 44 (0) 1526 830 185
Fax. 44 (0) 1526 830 217
E-mail :- enquiries@mdengineering.co.uk
Web Site :- www.mdengineering.co.uk
Personal e-mail :- david@rowanfarm.org

[DiscoDino]

David,

Nice to have some shop owners on the board - your website address is not opening with me, is it the correct one?

Thanks

Nadim

[pendy]

Thats not David, just his info.

JP

[DiscoDino]

Thats not David, just his info.

JP

:rolleyes: ooops

[landybehr]

Sorry, MY fault.

I just copy/pasted his adress-appendix from a Email into my Reply.
Should have made it more clear.


Hendrik (not David) ;)

[will_warne]

The combination of 200tdi and zf-autobox was produced by Rover (in the DiscoveryI only though) !
For a short period of about a year or two until the 300tdi came (then in the Range Rover too).
I could drove that transmission in a 300tdi-Defender, and met a guy who made a adapter himself and put a RangeRover autobox into a 200tdi Defender. So anything is possible. Anyway, it drives reasonably well. It needs getting used to the tdi raising the revs and noise and the car only moving after a short delay. It really makes things better to have the tdi tuned when using it with a automatic.

I think mating the autobox to the 300tdi is slightly easier (if you also take the autobox out of a Tdi), but I think the necessary adapter plates are no longer available from Rover. Used parts are rather difficult to get - even with 300tdi parts (which had a higher production rate). Personally I don´t think that this alone justifies to give up and mount a manual transmission.

One problem is that the zf in the V8 Range Rover has a bigger TorqueConverter-housing, therefore it will not fit the 200tdi even with OEM adapter kit (one the other hand the bigger T/C makes it better suited to the torque of the Tdi; Rover seems to have choses a "soft" T/C for emission reasons or whatever with the tdi-autobox (compared to the V8 autobox)).
The shift points are set for a V8 rather than a diesel in a V8-autobox but one can modify it with reasonable effort (of live with that, if you´re tolerant).
MD-Engineering do sell a complete adapter kit to mate the V8-autobox to the tdi; price is around 1000$. Their Adress is listed below.


__________________________________________________ _


David Jackson. Managing Director. Motor & Diesel Engineering (Anglia) Ltd.,
Rowan Farm,
Priory Road,
Ruskington,
Sleaford,
Lincs.
NG34 9DJ
United Kingdom.

Tel. 44 (0) 1526 830 185
Fax. 44 (0) 1526 830 217
E-mail :- enquiries@mdengineering.co.uk
Web Site :- www.mdengineering.co.uk
Personal e-mail :- david@rowanfarm.org

You're quite right about the kit. IIRC M&D sell a fair few kits to use for crop sprayers (The sell a 2.8 and the V8 autobox conversion then Ashcrofts supply a beefed up V8 autobox).

Tdi autobox stuff is hard to come by although its not impossible. I bought most of the stuff for my conversion new except for the box itself and the engine backplate (it cost a fortune for a new one). The only 200tdi specific bit you need is the engine backplate. They're hard to find but you do occationally come across them.