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For those who haven't seen these, intresting idea.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=56246

For those who haven't seen these, intresting idea.

Better soultion (http://www.longfieldsuperaxles.com) :flipoff2:

yes longfields are great, but some of the uk guys have stated that they have broken ashcroft shafts BEFORE stock rover cv's, so a longfield will not help them at this point.

cheers, serg

yes longfields are great, but some of the uk guys have stated that they have broken ashcroft shafts BEFORE stock rover cv's, so a longfield will not help them at this point.

cheers, serg

Yes but there are plenty of aftermarket that will never break before a stock CV does, e.g. MD, JM, etc... If you are breaking shafts and not CV's it is time to get stronger shafts.

yes longfields are great, but some of the uk guys have stated that they have broken ashcroft shafts BEFORE stock rover cv's, so a longfield will not help them at this point.

cheers, serg

I would like to take a moment to clarify this,

We make 2 types of Heavy duty Front shaft,

one fits the early 23 spline larger diameter CV, one fits the later 32 spline CV, the latter beings substantially smaller diameter,

Whilst the 32 spline shafts are stronger than stock ones they are not up to heavy offroad abuse, for this the early 23 spline ones are required,

I cannot say the 23 spline ones are unbreakable but a failure is quite rare, usually it is the 32 splines ones that shear, this certainly was the case with the recent thread with the 'UK guys' on the outer limits forum.

I make this point as it is important to understand no one else makes the 32 spline ones and these cannot be compared to the strength of 23 spline ones from other suppliers.

We hope to be releasing a solution very soon which will make the later 32 spline shafts obsolete but we need to do some testing first.

yes longfields are great, but some of the uk guys have stated that they have broken ashcroft shafts BEFORE stock rover cv's, so a longfield will not help them at this point

While I agree that they are cool…

Maybe they need to step up to 30 spline axles to go with the 30 spline longfields :idea:

The Toyota guys have been severely abusing them (front digs with huge tires and crawler boxes on rock) and they hold up just fine.

The Toyota guys have been severely abusing them (front digs with huge tires and crawler boxes on rock) and they hold up just fine.

Nadim has been doing the same with his Rover/Toy axles as well. In speaking with both him and Keith, I'm beginning to see this as the direction to go. Now to come up with a CB method of converting drive flanges:D . (Monty Python voice on) I have a plan (Monty Python voice off). Now that I see these drive flanges, perhaps AFIROver won't argue that my idea is weak.

PT

I would like to take a moment to clarify this,

We make 2 types of Heavy duty Front shaft,

one fits the early 23 spline larger diameter CV, one fits the later 32 spline CV, the latter beings substantially smaller diameter,

Whilst the 32 spline shafts are stronger than stock ones they are not up to heavy offroad abuse, for this the early 23 spline ones are required,

I cannot say the 23 spline ones are unbreakable but a failure is quite rare, usually it is the 32 splines ones that shear, this certainly was the case with the recent thread with the 'UK guys' on the outer limits forum.

I make this point as it is important to understand no one else makes the 32 spline ones and these cannot be compared to the strength of 23 spline ones from other suppliers.

We hope to be releasing a solution very soon which will make the later 32 spline shafts obsolete but we need to do some testing first.

Dave,

Totally understand - your products deliver a "strengthened stock" set-up, right? And that is what 90-95% of the Land Rover Offroaders want,

But if a comp challenger, which these "UK guys" are (I've read them on the other forums) and are starting from scratch, an RD23 (Toy ARB, instead of an RD56 for Rover) is the SAME cost of the Rover, you just need to get the housing, and the TOTAL set-up will cost you 500-1,250 USD cheaper AND will withstand 37s EASY and 42s if you bring teh weight down...

As PT said, I'm currently running 37s and I'm TRYING HARD to break everything and ANYTHING in my drivetrain...nothing yet :)

To each his own...but will agree that your products DO have their presence for those who need them...

We hope to be releasing a solution very soon which will make the later 32 spline shafts obsolete but we need to do some testing first.

Hello Dave,
rumours are a new improved CV could be released from the new year.
Might I ask you if it's in your plans or what?

This,added to the absorbing drive members and eventual future solutions,would increase the range
of the optional goodies for the front axle and throw those like me(who are yet considering the best option) in even more confusion
:D

Cheers!

Nadim has been doing the same with his Rover/Toy axles as well. In speaking with both him and Keith, I'm beginning to see this as the direction to go. Now to come up with a CB method of converting drive flanges:D . (Monty Python voice on) I have a plan (Monty Python voice off). Now that I see these drive flanges, perhaps AFIROver won't argue that my idea is weak.

PT


What? are you abandoning the Rover9 idea? What about the 60s that you were going to put under your Disco? :flipoff2:

But seriously, I have to agree. I have smoked my front tires with the ARB locked without a worry in the world that something inside the axle might break, especially with my little 35s. :D

What? are you abandoning the Rover9 idea? What about the 60s that you were going to put under your Disco? :flipoff2:


If this keeps up, Shopgrrl will no longer allow me access to either the internet or the telephone. Between telephone conversations with Keith and Nadim and the Pirate board...

The 9" center sections are still in the pile of differentials in the "annex" of the shop. Nadim and I discussed this topic as well.

The D60s will only be providing center sections. I still intend to run enclosed swivels and Rover bolt pattern hubs. That still leaves much room for variation in axles, CVs and drive flanges. Keith, Nadim and Afirover have filled my head with too many alternatives (cue "Tubular Bells" as my head spins round) to ponder.

Keith and I were even discussing the crawler box again (can you tell business has slowed down?). We have begun discussions to sell our real estate. If all works out, we may be moving closer to the center of Rover development (equidistant between Frontier Rovers and Rover Tracks:flipoff2:). Of course, we've only been trying to sell these houses for 40 years!

Right now, I'm mainly concerned with AFIRover finding Steve Young at MAR so my front 60 can make it home!

PT,

Kindly advise where the best location vis-a-vis Rover central should I live in when I relocate..."She" comes secondarily to this, so "She'll" understand...as long as its easy to drive to Canada :flipoff2:

Seriously though...Rover/Toy conversion is a sweet thing...consider it before you venture on the other alternatives, eventhough they are EXTREMELY tempting AND pioneering...

FWIW, if you're going american in teh diffs, might as well go American in the CVs/UJs, discs and hubs...between WWII aluminum skin, a buick engine and these axles, I don't think you'll upset the British Rover Gods with brakes, UJs and wheels :)...unless you intend to run "Avon" tires (are these British?)...

I prefered "globalizing" my truck, Toyota, Australian, American, British & ofcourse the Mediterranean nutcases' thinking...

FWIW, if you're going american in teh diffs, might as well go American in the CVs/UJs, discs and hubs...between WWII aluminum skin, a buick engine and these axles, I don't think you'll upset the British Rover Gods with brakes, UJs and wheels :)...unless you intend to run "Avon" tires (are these British?)...


Oh man, are we in trouble now! Shopgrrl's gonna be callin' you tomorrow!

As for tires, I can make it even worse, the SIII had FRENCH BFG A/T T/A retreads:flipoff2: That is sufficient to upset the Rover Gods.

Peace,
PT