i know its been asked to death but i searched and i couldnt find exactly what i needed so...obviously the bogger is the best mud tire but since i have to drive my truck on the street somtimes it is outa the question, so how does the SX do in tha mud or is regular TSL better??

Swampers and mud,.................... stupid ? :D

ATs work much better:flipoff2:

SX's are great in the mud! Just stand on the loud peddle and let the mud fly :skull:

Originally posted by Weezer
ATs work much better:flipoff2:

They can do ok. Just put it to the floor and don't let up until your out the other end.

Wait, let me get this right: you decided against boggers, cause you want good onroad manners, ok. So you're considering the TSL/SX's??? BWA HA HA HA HA!!! Seriously, you want good mud ability with marginal on road abilities, just get the regular TSL's, or if sidewall strength doesnt matter, TSL/Radials.:usa:

I like TSL's in the mud over SX's. Sx's have a round egg shape to the tread which doesnt work as well in the slop.

well shit

ok which would you choose 37x13 bogger or 38.5x14.5 SX
and why?

bogger...there's a reason why they're considered the ultimate mud tire.

-Steve

Wanna know what my ultimate ideal tire combo would be? Front 38.5x11 boggers, rear 38.5x14.5 TSL/SX's. best of both worlds, especially if you want to do mud and rocks. The latterally challenged boggers on the steerind wheels will pull your rig through all kinds of slop, the rear SX's will be good for just about anything, and will help out where the skinny boggers might struggle (as in rocks). But it will suck nutsack on the road.:usa:

BOGGERS!!!!! Once you get over the on-road wear there is no match. SX's are a good tire, so are TSL's. I'd get the Boggers and try and pick up a set of A/T's for the road ASAP.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by MOFUGRA
ok which would you choose 37x13 bogger or 38.5x14.5 SX
and why?

what exactly will you be doing? What do you want in a tire/

SX's are aimed for rocks, Boggers aimed towards mud, TSL a little bit of both. Also there is about a 2" height differance between those two tires why are they your final choices? what about a 38.5 TSL?? its wide as hell but has huge lugs to throw mud and won't side slip like some people have problems with the boggers doing.

What do you mean RokToy about this 2" difference?:smokin:

Originally posted by Chark
What do you mean RokToy about this 2" difference?:smokin:

he asked if he should run 37" boggers or 38.5" SX's, not a fair comparison of tires to me.

super swampers and mud go hand in hand. yes the tsl, tsl sx, bogger, tsl radial, etc. all do a damn good job in the mud. the bogger being the king of the mud pits though. personally i have run tsl's and tsl sx's but never a bogger. i have however run with alot of guys who run boggers though. the boggers do infact do alittle better in mud holes but for all around trail running tsl's and tsl sx's do better. especially on the rocks. i know alot of guys like to argue that boggers do well in the rocks but on runs where some guys run boggers one others run sx's the sx's do better. especially when the rocks are wet. this is just from personal experience. anyway as i stated before for mud you really can't go wrong with any of them.

Originally posted by 82YotaX4
Wanna know what my ultimate ideal tire combo would be? Front 38.5x11 boggers, rear 38.5x14.5 TSL/SX's. best of both worlds, especially if you want to do mud and rocks. The latterally challenged boggers on the steerind wheels will pull your rig through all kinds of slop, the rear SX's will be good for just about anything, and will help out where the skinny boggers might struggle (as in rocks). But it will suck nutsack on the road.:usa:

Why not run the 38.5X11 boggers in the front and 38x12.5 SX in the rear...that way you dont look like a drag racer on steroids...I have my mentioned combo sitting in my garage...4 of each:D:D:D

Originally posted by Supergper


Why not run the 38.5X11 boggers in the front and 38x12.5 SX in the rear...that way you dont look like a drag racer on steroids...I have my mentioned combo sitting in my garage...4 of each:D:D:D

Same difference, but yeah, that would definitely look better. BTW you got any pics of that setup?:usa:

Right now no because they are sitting in two piles right now and my vehicle is on jackstands...but once things start comming together I will get some pictures up:D

Originally posted by 82YotaX4
Wanna know what my ultimate ideal tire combo would be? Front 38.5x11 boggers, rear 38.5x14.5 TSL/SX's. best of both worlds, especially if you want to do mud and rocks. The latterally challenged boggers on the steerind wheels will pull your rig through all kinds of slop, the rear SX's will be good for just about anything, and will help out where the skinny boggers might struggle (as in rocks). But it will suck nutsack on the road.:usa:

You've got it backwards. The reason that many mud runners have swampers on the front and boggers on the rear is so they have a better ability to steer.

As for running two completely different tread patterns on dry rocks, I imagine that it could be a disadvantage not having similar traction front and rear.

Actually, I believe the throttle jockeys run the boggers in the rear and not the front is because they dig down too far. So you really would not want to put a tall skinny one on the front and a fat mild one on the back. I ran 38x14.50 SX's for several years on a big heavy Scout. I am now going to run 38x12.50's on my Sidekick and never look back.

Originally posted by twistedmetal
Actually, I believe the throttle jockeys run the boggers in the rear and not the front is because they dig down too far. So you really would not want to put a tall skinny one on the front and a fat mild one on the back. I ran 38x14.50 SX's for several years on a big heavy Scout. I am now going to run 38x12.50's on my Sidekick and never look back.

well post some pic's!!!! i'd love to see a 'kick on 38's!!!!

If anyone is interested in my .02 here it is. I have had two sets of 35 x 16 Boggers, one set of 33 x 14 Boggers, one set of 38" TSl's and a 38" TSL Radial, 44" Swampers, 35" SSR's, 31" Terra Tires, 45" Terra Tires, and various other insignificant mud combos including BFG's and Goodyears. I personally beleive that the Bogger beats any un-modified Swamper hands down in the mud and dirt. If the bogger is having trouble holding side hills and hard corners on wet roads, then I my tire grooving Iron out and get to work. After siping mine I had no problems. I feel that the swamper has its place in the mud, but only on a daily driver that gets used hard on the weekends. Other wise I prefer the bogger where I live. (Mostly mud):D

I'm working on it! Actually, I'm playing the part of Garage Poser right now. I am stuck here waiting for a set of 60's to get the narrowing job finished up. Then the sparks are gonna fly!

People run TSLs in the front and boggers in the back because boggers have no lateral grip. If you are going up a hill and try to turn, the boggers won't turn. You'll just slide sideways.

Originally posted by LazyDaveD
People run TSLs in the front and boggers in the back because boggers have no lateral grip. If you are going up a hill and try to turn, the boggers won't turn. You'll just slide sideways.

Are you sure on this???? I would think that if you were running boggers on all fours it would have the same effect, and I dont hear about people not being able to turn going up hill when they are running boggers. Boggers as the steering tires should have no problem pulling you where you want to go as long as you got some HP. Supergper how do you like your setup in mud?:usa:

Originally posted by the Millenium Falcon


Are you sure on this???? I would think that if you were running boggers on all fours it would have the same effect, and I dont hear about people not being able to turn going up hill when they are running boggers. Boggers as the steering tires should have no problem pulling you where you want to go as long as you got some HP. Supergper how do you like your setup in mud?:usa:

Like I said before my tires are still piles in my garage and my Jeep is on Jackstands...I hope to have it running by May or June but only money will tell:D:D:D I will for sure let everyone know how I like the tires setup and I will try all combos(SX in front boggers in rear, Boggers up front and SX in rear, SX all around, Boggers all around)

are you guys :smokin: ? the reason most people who are running the bogger rear swamper front combo in mud is because they usually have a big heavy bigblock out front and the swampers don't dig as well as the boggers. hence that big ass motor in front of you won't sink to china and the rear will have PREMO traction to push you forward. just my .02

Originally posted by twistedmetal
I am now going to run 38x12.50's on my Sidekick and never look back.

No PJ's then??

THe reason I have seen for the Boggers in the rear & the Swamper's in front is that the Boggers dig deep and the Swampers don't. That way you keep the frt out of the mud, at least as much as possible, and let the rear dig & push.
PS, it don't matter what engine you got. I've seen this setup on 6 bangers as well as V8's.
After a while, at least down here, they change to Bogers on both ends 'cause of the slop we got.

Okay, this perspective is from a competition mud bogger. First of all, the notion that Boggers are the be-all, end-all of mud tires is ridiculously false. For some VERY SPECIFIC applications, they work extremely well, better than anything out there. But, they most certainly do NOT work well on every machine, in every kind of mud.

You want to run deep mud with decent, but not spectacular horsepower? Leave the Boggers alone. I run in a class called "Hot Street". Depending on the sanctioning body, we can run tires of "under 36", "up to 36.5", or "up to 38.0". We have to be street legal, but engine mods are allowed. I'm running a pretty warm 408" Chevy in a Toy pickup. Most of my competition has at LEAST as much power as me. Out of the top 10 or so vehicles in this class, only TWO 35" Boggers remain. Most had them at one time. Most no longer do. ALL of the rest are running Q78 TSL's, Q78 Buckshots, or R85 Buckshots. Even the guy who runs 2 35" Boggers has Buckshots on the front, and he has a 514" roller motor. NONE of us have enough power to make Boggers work properly in deep mud.

Now, in shallow stuff (say, up to 18"), Boggers have a decided advantage. But, the problem with most Boggers is they're too wide. The 38.5X11 is AWESOME, but it's a little on the tall side for me. If they made a Q78 Bogger, it might be something that we could make work, even in the deeper stuff. But, those fat 35's just have to push too much mud out of the way. And as far as floatation goes - HA! Unless you've got 800HP & weigh less than 3,000 lbs, you WILL dig until you find traction. And when it gets really thick, will you have the power to spin the Boggers fast enough to make them self-clean? Most folks can't.

So, bottom line, if you're running REALLY deep stuff, leave the Boggers to the dedicated competition mudders. If it's relatively shallow, then you'll be okay. BTW, there are a couple of reasons for the Bogger/Swamper combo. Yes, the Swampers are good for front because they won't dig down as much. But, an equally important reason many run them up front is to avoid breakage. Most guys run 1/2 ton frontends & 39.5" Boggers will destroy 'em while TSL's generally won't.

Back to your TSL vs. SX debate, the rest are correct, the SX's just aren't as good. For a recreational guy, I wouldn't worry about it. They're still "pretty" good. They're just not competition-mud grade.

And since we're on the subject of 37's, I had 38X12.50's before my Q78's. I gave up .5" clearance when I went to the Q's, but my truck goes farther, deeper, and faster on these than it ever did on the 38's (really "37's" since they were only 36.0" tall). The Q's are not only narrower (a good thing), they also have about 20% deeper tread :smokin:

TEX

the mud man has spoken

Isn't it funny how everyone shut's up when someone who really knows his sh!t pipes up. :D

I love this board :flipoff2:

I will not disagree with TEX about using Boggers for Competition, because I have never competed in any kind of 4x4 racing event.

However I will say that if the mud is wet and swampy like the mud I have to wheel in, the Bogger will beat the Swamper hands down, every time.

When I still had the body on my 72 blazer I ran 35" Swampers, and 35" Boggers through the same hole's. The truck had 200 hp on a really good day, and felt like a wounded duck when I was running the swampers. :D

When it comes down to it, your are going to have to just buy a set and try them. If you dont like the way they work, sell them and buy something else.

Brook

I always thought that you ran different size tires in the deep mud, because you want the front to pull more due to more weight? I also know that different widths can really help in deep mud (skinny front and a little wider in back) because the rear tires will have something to grab on to, sine they aren't going through exactly the same path.

Originally posted by bgreen
I will not disagree with TEX about using Boggers for Competition, because I have never competed in any kind of 4x4 racing event.

However I will say that if the mud is wet and swampy like the mud I have to wheel in, the Bogger will beat the Swamper hands down, every time.

When I still had the body on my 72 blazer I ran 35" Swampers, and 35" Boggers through the same hole's. The truck had 200 hp on a really good day, and felt like a wounded duck when I was running the swampers. :D


That's why I mentioned thick mud. Boggers self-clean much easier in very wet mud than they do in thick mud. The wetter & looser it is, the more likely you can actually make them work. Second problem is that the only other tire you compared them to was the 35" TSL, which is NOT one of the better performing sizes. The just slightly taller Q78 runs rings around the 35, and even the 36X12.50 is a significant step up in performance. And again, the shallower the mud, the better Boggers perform also. If you're only in a couple feet of mud, they're less likely to ball up on ya.

TEX

Originally posted by TEX


That's why I mentioned thick mud. Boggers self-clean much easier in very wet mud than they do in thick mud. The wetter & looser it is, the more likely you can actually make them work. Second problem is that the only other tire you compared them to was the 35" TSL, which is NOT one of the better performing sizes. The just slightly taller Q78 runs rings around the 35, and even the 36X12.50 is a significant step up in performance. And again, the shallower the mud, the better Boggers perform also. If you're only in a couple feet of mud, they're less likely to ball up on ya.

TEX

Good points! :D

I recently took 37" boggers off to run 38.5" sx's....love um...in the mud there real nice...not quite as good as Boggers...on road there great...no balance weights and run to 90mph..no vibs...no shit!!
As far as great all around tire I feel SX is the way to go...
as a DD,rock crawler, mud runner, just shy of running two sets of tires, it works great for me!
ps..also slightly taller and wider than 37 Boggers....my .02