Ok.

Seems during the weekend the Jeep talk forum was split up by model, and after reading the posts, I think that most agree that a split might be needed, however the 'dilineation' of the split is wrong.

After reading the various posts, seems that most people agree that there should be 'Jeep Talk Newbie' and 'Jeep Talk Hardcore' (Or whatever you want to call it). (Also as explained in my post on the subject http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4593215&postcount=16

I think it's completely appropriate to let the JEEP Talk regulars vote.

So, vote.

Come on...VOTE!


57 viewing this forum and 7 votes. :shaking: :D

Indy, not a bad idea, but will the votes actually count and will we be heard? The new format just plain sucks. It will be funny to have people that just got Jeeps running 31" "big tires" thinking their Jeep is hardcore, so maybe will generate more work for mods? Also, a lot of duplication and redundancy could happen.. The old format was much better.

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Voted for newbie and hardcore.
Dont think the vote will matter.

Indy, not a bad idea, but will the votes actually count and will we be heard? The new format just plain sucks. It will be funny to have people that just got Jeeps running 31" "big tires" thinking their Jeep is hardcore, so maybe will generate more work for mods? Also, a lot of duplication and redundancy could happen.. The old format was much better.

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Can I guarantee that we'll be heard? No.

But, obviously there was a reason that everything was split up, and I don't think we can change it. If it were my guess, I would say that it is vendor or 'sponsor' oriented some how ($$$$), which is fine. I mean, Lance has made this a large majority of his livelyhood so he needs to somewhat listen to 'the man'.

Do I think it'll go back to one forum? Realistically, probably not. So, do we piss and moan about it and just take it, or do we possibly say 'Ok, we'll take a split, but let those of us who actually USE the Jeep forum have the say in how it is split'. I'm sure Lance is driving this (He owns it) and Camo is a 'super' moderator, so he's most likely involved, but neither one of them is fortunate enough to own a Jeep. ( I don't think anyway ) :D

So, my .02 in a nutshell.

Do I think it'll go back to the way it was? No

Do I think we can make a difference and possibly get it 'better' than what it currently is? Yea, why not! I don't think that Lance and/or Camo would be that 'ignant' to ignore the people that actually use the forums.

We'll see though, only way we can influence them is to vote like MOFO's and show them what we want.

I voted (for what that counts), but seriously, what would divide the hardcore from the non-hardcore?

Yes, running 44 should be considered hard core, but if it were a show queen ( do we have any on the board?) it wouldn't be... And someone that put 31's on just because they "liked" the look wouldn't be...

But where would the actual divide come?

I voted (for what that counts), but seriously, what would divide the hardcore from the non-hardcore?

Yes, running 44 should be considered hard core, but if it were a show queen ( do we have any on the board?) it wouldn't be... And someone that put 31's on just because they "liked" the look wouldn't be...

But where would the actual divide come?

Good question, been thinking that myself.

I mean seriously, say you log in, first time.

Have Jeep. Hmmm, ok, I want to put a lift kit on it.

That's hardcore right? Hell yea. Open up forum P&T is fabricating a lift, Lame is building a Jeep buggy, Steve N is looking for punani. Ok...Noted.

Open up Jeep 'Not so hardcore'. Open up forum..... Keith Strong is asking about a body lift....Butler is asking how to do a OME 2" lift and Mo is trying to change his oil. I think that someone with reasonable intelligence would be able to figure it out... .If not, the mods will help him.


At first, I think it'll suck, and I think the mods will be moving shit CONSTANTLY. But, people will get it after while. I think the important thing is for the Jeep Hardcore 'guys' to lay off the flammage for awhile (ok, I will) and let the mods do their job.

How about swb & lwb/fsj.

how does a moderator determine what's newbie and what's not now? Same thing different names, better definitions.

All a split between hard core/non hardcore, (or whatever it's called) will be is going to do is put Jeep specific questions in a Jeep specific location.


And I'm no longer looking for more of it. I have a girlfriend now :flipoff2:

I would rather see a Jeep SWB and Jeep LWB, that makes more sense.

I would rather see a Jeep SWB and Jeep LWB, that makes more sense.



X2..... or leave it the way it was.

($$$$), .

The meat and tators. Indy if we look at it strickly from the side of marketing, then here is what they see. The only growing market is for Jeep parts, not for Crusiers or Scouts or 80's yotas or Sammis or EB's. And of course the market for general use items like steering rams, on board air, tires, buggy stuff and items not rig specfic. So unless the natives settle down, (thats us) then some of the brand new folks with money in their pockets get run off. These are the folks that they want to sell things to. These are the New blood that feed the sales machine. Heck look at the 15day BTF build of the unlimited, it's all about marketing. I admit that is a sweet modified rig, and was done awesome but it's the marketing machine I am talking about.

two forums just makes more confusion for everyone. I personally like one jeep forum. Creating a Jeep newbie forum IMO is defeating the purpose of the newbie forum that is already established.

I think the whole thing might be backwards. We have a bunch of hardcore forums, and one newb forum. What if there was one general hardcore forum added, and then relax the reqirements on the vehicle specifc forums.

The reasoning is this. By the time your Jeep is hard core enough to be talked about in Jeep talk, it's no longer so much a Jeep as it is a buggy with Jeep-shaped skins on it... It's the same deal for everything else. No full on hard core rig has much of anything in common with the original rig. Look what happens, actual Jeep specific tech gets dropped to newb because it's not hard core enough, while what's left is talk about Atlases and Staks and coil overs, shit no Jeep ever came with. When you're talking about four links, who really cares what country made the frame they'll be attached to?

I thought we already had a newbie forum? :confused:

I personally liked things the way they were three days ago.

I voted to keep it as one. You guys need as few forums as possible. :flipoff2:

how does a moderator determine what's newbie and what's not now? Same thing different names, better definitions.

All a split between hard core/non hardcore, (or whatever it's called) will be is going to do is put Jeep specific questions in a Jeep specific location.


And I'm no longer looking for more of it. I have a girlfriend now :flipoff2:


Punani. :D

I think you're right, and I think that's what everyone is missing.

Jeep "Newbie" Topics.

Will 31" Tires make my ass look fat?
How much lift do I need for XX tires?
How do you do a SOA?
Anyone running 32" Mall terrains?
What shocks does everyone run offroad?
Is anyone's rig a Daily Driver?
etc., etc., etc.

We've all seen these topics CONSTANTLY, but for the 'new' guy, he wants to know. Obviously, the PBB of old is gone, so, do we try to make the best of it or consider what we've had.

Jeep 'Hardcore' Topics.

How do I swap in a Junkyard 60?
What is anti squat?
How do I do a one-two-three-four link?
Help me design this coilover?
Check out my gear pattern?

Yes, they are 'general 4x4 discussion' topics, but we're Jeeps, and honestly, someone has done it before, and this is the place to post up.

THere's a definate difference, and if you don't know, then you're most likely a noob yourself. :D

i voted for the first onption accindently i want the third

i voted for the first onption accindently i want the third


You happen to live in dade county? Know anything about dangling chads?

You happen to live in dade county? Know anything about dangling chads?



:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :cool2:

As much as I want one forum, I voted for the hardcore/noobcore split. Just the fact that there is now 2 forums leads me to believe going back to one won't happen.

While I will probably never had a rig that would be considered hardcore, I come to Pirate looking for the hardcore tech because I find it fascinating. JU is just fine for my actually needs (such as which 35s should I use on my DD/Weekend warrior).

That's just my 2 cents in case anyone in power is actually reading any of this.

I think the whole thing might be backwards. We have a bunch of hardcore forums, and one newb forum. What if there was one general hardcore forum added, and then relax the reqirements on the vehicle specifc forums.

The reasoning is this. By the time your Jeep is hard core enough to be talked about in Jeep talk, it's no longer so much a Jeep as it is a buggy with Jeep-shaped skins on it... It's the same deal for everything else. No full on hard core rig has much of anything in common with the original rig. Look what happens, actual Jeep specific tech gets dropped to newb because it's not hard core enough, while what's left is talk about Atlases and Staks and coil overs, shit no Jeep ever came with. When you're talking about four links, who really cares what country made the frame they'll be attached to?



Stop making sense....... sheesh. :flipoff2:

In reality this makes the most sense. It's not going to happen, but it makes the most sense. Though it would leave less forums for jack asses. :laughing:


We do have gen 4x4. now.

Voted for newbie and hardcore.
Dont think the vote will matter.

There already is a newbie section and it does't work. People who post stupid shit don't even realize they are newbies, so they won't post there to begin with.

There shouldn't be a newbie section, Pirate4x4 is hardcore, all posts should be at least "somewhat" hardcore. Splitting the section just makes twice as much work to look at forums. I don't really have the time I used to, so I hardly have enough time to read one or two. If this happens at a grand scale, then the amount of KNOWLEDGEABLE people will be cut in each forum.

It seems there's very little flaming in Gen4x4 (but when it happens everybody really piles on, kinda like fighting in hockey). It's so busy, junk falls off the front page or two pretty quickly. It's also where most 'hardcore' jeep tech is anymore as Crusty said.

I'm with the Indy split since we're split and it ain't going back.

If Lance wants less links to outside sites, maybe he should write a script to modify the database to point any links to that *other* site to the Jeep Newbie/Lite/Basic whatever category. Could be done for links to the full-size and XJ sites, too. Those get linked all the time.

And maybe in the same script, move all threads with Indy's latest gif to the same area, and maybe just delete the ones with the one word response of search.

Split it, but somehow come up with some guidelines that show where you should post what, like said above. How about "hardcore" and "modified" if that's not too confusing. If you have extended your wheel base, swapped out axles, motor, tranny, tc, etc. it should probably be in the hard(er) core section. Lift "kits," D30/35 questions, what makes this noise, etc in the "modified" section. Just typing as I think. I dunno:p

I think the whole thing might be backwards. We have a bunch of hardcore forums, and one newb forum. What if there was one general hardcore forum added, and then relax the reqirements on the vehicle specifc forums.

The reasoning is this. By the time your Jeep is hard core enough to be talked about in Jeep talk, it's no longer so much a Jeep as it is a buggy with Jeep-shaped skins on it... It's the same deal for everything else. No full on hard core rig has much of anything in common with the original rig. Look what happens, actual Jeep specific tech gets dropped to newb because it's not hard core enough, while what's left is talk about Atlases and Staks and coil overs, shit no Jeep ever came with. When you're talking about four links, who really cares what country made the frame they'll be attached to?

That's not entirely true. Most of the stuff on my jeep doesn't pertain to Gen4x4. For example waggy springs front, XJ rears, fuel cell tech, engine-tranny-t-case tech (what fits bolts up etc), shock placement, cage, wheelbase lengths and suspension height for jeep bodies and frames, etc.

The problem is people come on here and post and don't realize what they are getting in to. if they took the time to read the statement, they would know to put in newbie. People log on because of Pirate 4x4s "great tech" and just hit jeep forum, new post, and start typing.

Maybe there should be some guidelines at the top of each forum.Mild...Stock axles and wheelbase........ wild, anything goes:D :

Perhaps sending a PM to the powers that be would help our cause. :nudge nudge: :wink wink:

Sorry Lance and Camo :flipoff2: :evil:

I started to vote for beginner and advanced sections, but then I surfed through the section for a bit and hit this winner procomp coil conversion - thoughts?

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Has anyone used this kit before, or know someone who has?
I am concerned it won't be very strong.

I understand that it will flex 10" which is close to an SOA conversion.
I like the idea of the smoother ride on and off trail.

Thoughts?
(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=401590)

And realised that it will get a couple flames and then a whole gaggle of newbs telling the flamers to ease up on him, lets all hold hand and sing kumbyfawkingya, and then I threw up a bit in my mouth and realised why its already a lost cause.

If there is going to be an advanced jeep tech section, then turn the dogs loose to help self regulate without all the touchyfeelyhandholdingshit, keep that for beginner jeep tech.

Voted for like it used to be. Newbie, Jeep or other, is covered in Newbie, If it's too newbie for the Jeep forum then move it. Guess the toys,suzys, fords, etc. don't ever get nube posts. If it can't stay as it was than newbie Jeep and Jeep Tech is the (second) best option.

I honestly don't have any hardcore wheeling experience yet but I will when my jeep is running again. As far as the buildup, I've been trolling the Jeep, General, and Newbie forums for info, I guess this could narrow my surfing down to just Newbie and Hardcore Jeeps.

We already had a newbe section. Why do we need another just for Jeeps?

We already had a newbe section. Why do we need another just for Jeeps?

Ditto... Just bring it back the way it was, I would read JU if I wanted info on tj bolt-on crap.

Leave Jeep talk Alone! One forum! And Newbs should be flamed as usual. :flipoff2:

There is already a newbie forum, so this makes no sense to me. I voted for one Jeep forum.

Ok, I just saw Lance's thread.. I guess if you ~have~ to make a change, then I agree that hardcore/newbie is a better split choice than by model.

ok enough it is NEVER going to change back. If you really can't see why, or how this will be better than......... You'll never get it.