327 in bed of 87 toy

[Plummudtoy]

I have killed my share of toy 4 poppers, don't want the 3.0 V6.:flipoff2:

I can get a 327 w/th700r4 trans.

my goal is to mount this motor in the bed area of the toyota.

my question is drivetrain? how do I get the drivetrain to work properly?
(dont want 1 foreward 4 reverse gearing)

will the toy transfer case work?

I've gone over this for about two weeks w/ a fab. buddy of mine, it will work.

we've figured it all out except the drivetrain?

I have seen this done a few times in photos and at shows.

anyone with any insight on the drivetrain prob. would be greatly appriciated.
thanks

[bobracing]

Just get a caddy northstar & trans. Put the engine and trans in the bed, run the drive axles to the diffs, gear as needed. No low range but with an engine in the bed most likely it's an off-road rig anyway.

[TEX]

Longbed or shortbed? If longbed, just mount everything in the standard position (engine right behind cab, then tranny, then t-case) with a really long front driveshaft & a really short rear one.


TEX

[Advent Horizon]

I would say just build a reverse rotation engine, but I have no idea how that would effect the transmission.

[Traveller]

Get 2 Northstars with their trannies. 1 in front, 1 in back. No low range either, but with that much horsepower, who needs it? I've seen some 2 engine cars racing Pike's peak, it would be a neat project.

[jetboy]

the best way I can think of is reverse rotation R&P sets in both axles. or use std gear sets and build/adapt housings so they sit as hipinions. then get the oiling down and be set. Might also be able to use a LC rear end with the right tcase to get the offset taken care of on one end. the offset might be a problem on the front though if your using a centered output.

good luck

[cheaprides]

this is really dumb i dont think it would be worth it at all. the 4cyl holds up longer then a 327 anyway.

but to join in on the action...

use the 327 and the 700r with a np205,dana300 or an atlas2 (real twin stick) flip the axles upside down and it will go forward.

you might have problems with axles getting oil in the right places but you wont be going very fast anyway

[Schmozilla]

I know this one...


For the rear its as easy and running the axle upside down... for the front it is the same thing, but the inner Cs must be cut off and rotated around 180 and flip flopped sides to the chunk remains on the correct side... this will make the axle turn the other way... giving you 4 forward gears and 1 reverse.

edit: damn it, maby i should read all the replys first :flipoff2:

[LowKat]

Mount engine backwards then use Casele V-drive like a drag boat.....??

:eek:

[DYEVOUT]

The engine will either sit so high, it will mess up your C/G,

Or, if you sink it into the frame, it will kill your belly clearance.

Me no understand. :confused:

[Plummudtoy]

WoW, lot of input here,

fact is you DO NOT have to turn diff.s upside down? why?
MILLNER REVERSE ROTATION TRANSFER CASES used in ralley trucks and desert racers, (EUROPEAN/N AFRICA)

The engine will either sit so high, it will mess up your C/G,

Or, if you sink it into the frame, it will kill your belly clearance

Your both wrong, sits aprox 3" higher than stock. front location

rear mount enging changes thrust load which changes C/G!!

no longer pulled through it, mid-engine thrust actually pushes.

I got this Idea last year when I was in Europe. saw alot of toyotas,chevy s10
nissans and even mitsu. monteros with this rear engine set up

they used mainly rover V8's or toy V8's some used the nissan V6,
they are really fun to watch,

thanks for all the input. mutch appreciated. casal v-drives are too weak and the millner ones are too expensive $$$$. (but they can handel the load)

Two northstar V8's that woul be the S#!T.

thanks again, going to start project now I'll keep U guys updated w/ photos and print.

[wheelerpeeler]

WoW, lot of input here,

fact is you DO NOT have to turn diff.s upside down? why?
MILLNER REVERSE ROTATION TRANSFER CASES used in ralley trucks and desert racers, (EUROPEAN/N AFRICA)

The engine will either sit so high, it will mess up your C/G,

Or, if you sink it into the frame, it will kill your belly clearance

Your both wrong, sits aprox 3" higher than stock. front location

rear mount enging changes thrust load which changes C/G!!

no longer pulled through it, mid-engine thrust actually pushes.

I got this Idea last year when I was in Europe. saw alot of toyotas,chevy s10
nissans and even mitsu. monteros with this rear engine set up

they used mainly rover V8's or toy V8's some used the nissan V6,
they are really fun to watch,

thanks for all the input. mutch appreciated. casal v-drives are too weak and the millner ones are too expensive $$$$. (but they can handel the load)

Two northstar V8's that woul be the S#!T.

thanks again, going to start project now I'll keep U guys updated w/ photos and print.
Why ask then:flipoff2:

[CJ]

Put mog outers on standard axels

[j_chisum]

I'd say just drive the toyota into the mississippi and go find something else...

[MrWillys]

All it would take is a C5 Vette rear end. The transmission and rear end are a combo unit. You would also have an independent rear suspension unless you figure out how to adapt tubes into it.

[GMCTruxrule]

None of these guys are wrong by any account, some offer ideas that are good but could be costly and expensive, not to mention time consuming...
I think that the easiest thing would be to order a reverse ground camshaft for your 327, re-wire your plug wires backwards on the distibutor and you should be good to go. You would have to figure out a way to reverse the polarity of your starter motor too, to spin the motor the other way, but thats about it, all 4 forward gears still work like supposed to.