Did a long ass search .....damn...47 pages of steering and NOTA.
I need pics and info for a Chevy D-44 with this set up.
I need to make a parts list.

A Gear Box that swings oposite the steering wheel?
A set of high steer arms that mount backwards?
What else do I need?
I know it's been done but can't find the info....:(
thanks for any Help....
-Kerry

Originally posted by BossGrip
Did a long ass search .....damn...47 pages of steering and NOTA.
I need pics and info for a Chevy D-44 with this set up.
I need to make a parts list.

A Gear Box that swings oposite the steering wheel?
A set of high steer arms that mount backwards?
What else do I need?
I know it's been done but can't find the info....:(
thanks for any Help....
-Kerry

All you need is the right knuckles, steering arms and linkages and that's about it.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31006

Look for H8Monday's pics. Then call either Bob Roggy (POR member) or Rockstomper for the arms.

Originally posted by Mo


All you need is the right knuckles, steering arms and linkages and that's about it.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31006

Look for H8Monday's pics. Then call either Bob Roggy (POR member) or Rockstomper for the arms.

Been there done that...No help,
I already have flat top nuckles and a tie rod I need a gearbox that operates with the piman arm pointing towards the front (turn the steering wheel left the arm swings right)and knuckle steering arms that mount pointing towards the back.......thus "behind the pumkin high steering"

Take a look at a FJ-80 Land Cruiser with solid axle..

They have the pitman arm mounted pointed forward so if you were to steer off the back of the axle just point the pitman arm backwards and wala, turn wheel left and wheels turn left too!!

While i've never opened one up before I would have to assume that if the mini gear boxs hold up to what we put them through then the FJ-80's gear boxs would be even beefier!

The factory pitman arm should be sweet for most all applications as well because I think we all love the beef of the FJ-80 TRE's and the pitman arm is already tapered for it!

HTH and post some pics when you tear it up!

fj-80....hmmmm Are they easy to find?I was hoping for something newer.....
I chose high/behind steer over front high/front steer because I thought I heard of it being done....:confused:
Must be confused...
Anyway I need the gear box as described because even with high front/steer and the location I want my gear box I need the pitman arm to swing oposite the steering wheel.....have you heard of any doner vehicals with the same configuration?

Originally posted by BossGrip
fj-80....hmmmm Are they easy to find?I was hoping for something newer.....
I chose high/behind steer over front high/front steer because I thought I heard of it being done....:confused:
Must be confused...
Anyway I need the gear box as described because even with high front/steer and the location I want my gear box I need the pitman arm to swing oposite the steering wheel.....have you heard of any doner vehicals with the same configuration?
While its not exactly like finding a junker chevy it shouldn't be all that dificult to find.. I mean, people find high pinion electric lockers without to much searching around so there must be some junked FJ-80's out there! I cant say that i've done any searching myself though..

The layout of the FJ-80 steering is somewhat like your talking about. The tie-rod is behind the axle while the draglink is in front of the axle. The pitman arm comes off the gear box sector shaft pointing towards the front. Where most pitman arms point to the rear. So the gearbox must be geared backwards just like what your looking for!
Its also got a pretty beefy frame mount on it. It uses 4 bolts rather then 3 like the mini truck ifs boxs do. It is setup to mount to the outside of the frame..
Does that answer your question??
Heres a picture of it if that helps....
http://www.wheelingadventures.com/pics/GearBox.jpg

Originally posted by BossGrip
fj-80....hmmmm Are they easy to find?I was hoping for something newer.....

Ohh, I forgot to answer this question..

If memory serves me correctly these gearboxs can be found up to 1997! How much newer do you want?? I can check on tuesday when I go back to work for the exact years and applications that it fits.. Just let me know!

Man, if I could only say everything in one post!!

This steering design has been done before by atleast two people on the board. Scott@rockstomper used it on his green mantis project. He used a regular steering box with the pitman arm pointed to the front and the draglink connects to the backside of the axle making things steer correctly.. I guess 2 negatives really do make a possitive!

There was one other guy that I dont recall, but I think he posted a bunch of pictures of it in the general section.. Thats all I remember though... I'll see if I can find his post and then i'll post yet another reply!! Man its a good thing I have absolutely nothing better to do!!

Heres a sortof lame pic of Scotts setup.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=344066

Alright this is my last damn post on this subject.. Atleast my last post in a row:D :D

I found that other draglink behind the axle thread.. It still running the tie-rod up front but the box and all that still applies!

H8Monday's thread about behind the axle steering.. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29603)


On that note, i'm out!

Originally posted by BossGrip


Been there done that...No help,
I already have flat top nuckles and a tie rod I need a gearbox that operates with the piman arm pointing towards the front (turn the steering wheel left the arm swings right)and knuckle steering arms that mount pointing towards the back.......thus "behind the pumkin high steering"


hmm, take ANY steering box.... and put the pitman arm on BACKWARDS!

If Stock if came out the front, stick it to the rear, if it comes out the rear... then swap it to the front.


There, instant "reverse* steer with out searching for some rare FJ box..

Originally posted by BossGrip


Been there done that...No help,
I already have flat top nuckles and a tie rod I need a gearbox that operates with the piman arm pointing towards the front (turn the steering wheel left the arm swings right)and knuckle steering arms that mount pointing towards the back.......thus "behind the pumkin high steering"

I could be wrong here, but do some thinking in your head about
the stock cj7 steering box....

the arm points backward, the tie rods and infront of the knuckles.

the steering wheel turns right, the arm goes right.

now, reverse the pitman arm on the box...............

the steering wheel turns right, the arm goes left. mak any sense??

---Sherpa

Originally posted by BossGrip


Been there done that...No help,
I already have flat top nuckles and a tie rod I need a gearbox that operates with the piman arm pointing towards the front (turn the steering wheel left the arm swings right)and knuckle steering arms that mount pointing towards the back.......thus "behind the pumkin high steering"

I could be wrong here, but do some thinking in your head about
the stock cj7 steering box....

the arm points backward, the tie rods and infront of the knuckles.

the steering wheel turns right, the arm goes right.

now, reverse the pitman arm on the box...............

the steering wheel turns right, the arm goes left. mak any sense??

---Sherpa

I run a behind the diff steering set up.
There was no need to change the box.
I still use a drag link to the front of the passenger side knuckle, but everything else is behind the the pumpkin.
You may need to reverse the hydraulic lines to the ram if you run one.

Toy Doser

Thanks for all the great info.:D that link is the one I have been searching for before I lost my mind in search hell!!... up to '97 ehh I'll keep that in mind if h8 don't talk me into hydraulics...


RustoleumWhite

Doing that would be pretty confusing...turn to the left and drive to the right...naaa.. life is a challenge already...
You see the arm is working at the back of the wheel now...this would require oposite rotation of the pitman arm no matter where you mount it.;)

SHERPA RIG

Good thinking, but that would put my gear box on my motor mount in my case.
another option would be to move my axle forward....I actual went out to the garage and rolled the axle forward and looked at it...wow I could really climb a wall in that sinareo..:D

H8monday
You are running a hydraulic set-up right?
How does the gear box play a part in that design?
I don't really understand whats going on there how does it center it's self useing a ram?

No problem man! I've been stuck in search hell before myself!

It seems that numerous people dont seem to understand the concept of what we're talking about here, with relation to steering box mounting positions... Sure any box could be used if you had no cares what so ever about where to mount the box...

I'll see if I can scrounge up an FJ-80 gearbox tomorrow and get an idea for their availability and price range..

Originally posted by BossGrip

RustoleumWhite

Doing that would be pretty confusing...turn to the left and drive to the right...naaa.. life is a challenge already...
You see the arm is working at the back of the wheel now...this would require oposite rotation of the pitman arm no matter where you mount it.;)


actually, Sherpa and I said the same thing, and it was an answer for what you asked:


"I need a gearbox that operates with the piman arm pointing towards the front (turn the steering wheel left the arm swings right)"

Take a Scoutt II box (which I am familular). Pitman arm in front of box: Turn wheel right, end of pitman arm swings right, pushing the draglink right, pushing the front of the steering knuckle right, turning the rig right. Same if I turn the wheel left.

NOW, turn the pitman arm around (instal backwards). Turn wheel right, end of arm goes left. IF I now have the DRAGLINK behind the axle, to go right I need to PULL the BACK SIDE of the steering knuckle to the left.... hmm, thats what the "modified" box is doing....



IS THIS NOT WHAT YOU JUST ASKED FOR???

It seems to me that any box would work "oposite" of normal (what you need for FULL behind the axle steering) if you turn the pitman arm around...

So if you took a box that NORMALY had the arm facing back (Waggys jump to mind, as do [I think] 2wd chevys), swap the arm around, now you have EXACTLY what you asked for:


"I need a gearbox that operates with the piman arm pointing towards the front (turn the steering wheel left the arm swings right)"

Originally posted by ToyDozer
No problem man! I've been stuck in search hell before myself!

It seems that numerous people dont seem to understand the concept of what we're talking about here, with relation to steering box mounting positions... Sure any box could be used if you had no cares what so ever about where to mount the box...

I'll see if I can scrounge up an FJ-80 gearbox tomorrow and get an idea for their availability and price range..

well, since he NEVER TOLD ANYONE where he was going to put the box, or how his set up is, or any of that.....


He just ask about a box that moved oposite the steering wheel, and he got answers. Now WHERE he mounts the box, and HOW he sets it all up is a different problem, but not what he asked.

You are blessed, it apears that you know his set up. I have no clue as to his desired box location, but I assume that it MUST be somwere close to the axle, and I would think that he would need a pitman arm the faces REARWARD inable for him to reach the back of the axle to have a behind-the-axle draglink....

Originally posted by BossGrip
H8monday
You are running a hydraulic set-up right?
How does the gear box play a part in that design?
I don't really understand whats going on there how does it center it's self useing a ram?


I use a regular/modified saginaw steering box with hydraulic assist.
The ram only mirrors what the steering box is telling it to do.
I dont know excactly the mechanics/hydraulics behind the entire set up, but it returns to center with no problem at all, it is really very natural feeling.....But the steering will move a house if you need it to. Its the same pricipal as the AGR rockram.
The nice thing is, that the ram and hydraulics, only costs about $150 to make, using parts, ordered on line, and delivered to your door.:D

Originally posted by H8monday



I use a regular/modified saginaw steering box with hydraulic assist.
The ram only mirrors what the steering box is telling it to do.
I dont know excactly the mechanics/hydraulics behind the entire set up, but it returns to center with no problem at all, it is really very natural feeling.....But the steering will move a house if you need it to. Its the same pricipal as the AGR rockram.
The nice thing is, that the ram and hydraulics, only costs about $150 to make, using parts, ordered on line, and delivered to your door.:D
How are the hydraulics plumbed?..do you drill and tap the gear box some how?...$150...will you get me a web link?....and a link to those fancy arm too,...if you don't mind:D thanks for the info. sounds reasonable.

ToyDozer
Thanks man that hydro set-up looks really cool but I'll still need to run the gear box behind the tie rod do to limited space..:D


RustoleumWhite

Now that I look at it I did kinda treat you like the bastard step child It was just how read your answer...
Sorry I wasn't more discriptive in my questions but I have one sweet spot I would really like to put my gearbox , the axle can be placed a few inches either way (front to back)
I appreciate the extra info though....I will look into the scout and waggi boxes,Id like a nice 90's donor though..:D

Originally posted by H8monday



I use a regular/modified saginaw steering box with hydraulic assist.
The ram only mirrors what the steering box is telling it to do.
I dont know excactly the mechanics/hydraulics behind the entire set up, but it returns to center with no problem at all, it is really very natural feeling.....But the steering will move a house if you need it to. Its the same pricipal as the AGR rockram.
The nice thing is, that the ram and hydraulics, only costs about $150 to make, using parts, ordered on line, and delivered to your door.:D

How are the hydraulics plumbed?..

How is the gear box modified?Did you drill and tap the gear box some how?

$150...hmmm, Ccan you get me a web link?....and a web link to those fancy arm too, ...if you don't mind thanks for the info.

Originally posted by BossGrip


How are the hydraulics plumbed?..

How is the gear box modified?Did you drill and tap the gear box some how?

$150...hmmm, Ccan you get me a web link?....and a web link to those fancy arm too, ...if you don't mind thanks for the info.



The box is tapped, at the end cap and sector shaft cap with 3/8 NPT threads.
3/8" (2 wire) hydraulic lines are ran from the tapped caps to the ports on the hydraulic ram,(switching the lines, reverses which way the ram reacts when you turn the wheel).
I use a NAPA brand pump for an 80s 1 ton Chevy with a diesel, and hydro boost brakes, I run the low pressure return line, along with the hydro boost line, to the top of a 20 quart, (closed system) reservoir, then out the bottom with a single line to the ps cooler then back to the pump. The system holds about a gallon of fluid when full.
66CJ Dean, did my machine work at the box, and can be reached through a PM on this site(or post the question on the Jeep board, Im sure he will respond). He has the shop to do it correctly, and his prices are very reasonable.
The Ram, hoses and fittings, can all be purchased through, www.northerntool.com The ram is a 2" with an 8" stroke, and costs about $80, the rest of the hoses/fittings are another $50 or so.
The steering arms, and spacers I got through Bob Roggy at Roggy Enerprises 530-626-9451
The Linkage I got through Gradys Extreme Off Road 916-638-5843.
The steering system works awsome.
I have done quite a few posts, and pics on the POR web site, for all phases of the fabrication.
Im pretty sure there will be write up soon on Billavistas D44 steering website, which is the best website for D44 steering I have seen on the web.

[EDIT] The remote reservoir, is 20 oz, not 20 quart.

Originally posted by H8monday




The box is tapped, at the end cap and sector shaft cap with 3/8 NPT threads.
3/8" (2 wire) hydraulic lines are ran from the tapped caps to the ports on the hydraulic ram,(switching the lines, reverses which way the ram reacts when you turn the wheel).
I use a NAPA brand pump for an 80s 1 ton Chevy with a diesel, and hydro boost brakes, I run the low pressure return line, along with the hydro boost line, to the top of a 20 quart, (closed system) reservoir, then out the bottom with a single line to the ps cooler then back to the pump. The system holds about a gallon of fluid when full.
66CJ Dean, did my machine work at the box, and can be reached through a PM on this site(or post the question on the Jeep board, Im sure he will respond). He has the shop to do it correctly, and his prices are very reasonable.
The Ram, hoses and fittings, can all be purchased through, www.northerntool.com The ram is a 2" with an 8" stroke, and costs about $80, the rest of the hoses/fittings are another $50 or so.
The steering arms, and spacers I got through Bob Roggy at Roggy Enerprises 530-626-9451
The Linkage I got through Gradys Extreme Off Road 916-638-5843.
The steering system works awsome.
I have done quite a few posts, and pics on the POR web site, for all phases of the fabrication.
Im pretty sure there will be write up soon on Billavistas D44 steering website, which is the best website for D44 steering I have seen on the web.
Hey thanks for the info. h8monday..:usa:

Just go full hydro
forget all the linkage, get a double-ended ram, mount it behind the axle, and save the headaches...

just my .02

Originally posted by elf_cruiser
Just go full hydro
forget all the linkage, get a double-ended ram, mount it behind the axle, and save the headaches...

just my .02
I kinda like the Idea of a hard link as a back up Besides It don't look like much of a headache.
If you Break a belt or loose fluid on full hydro you are done:(
....on this type of set up you have a mechanical back up with the gear box.....
Actually the more I think about it ...it's the better way for me with what I'm doing .....
-Kerry