This new jeep rubicon they're comming out with looks pretty sweet with selectable lockers and the 4 to 1 T-case. but I would be really impressed if the put their cummins desiel in it. They're getting close to manufactered perfection, just throw that desiel in there, switch the 44's for 60's and add a lift to clear 35's and I'd say they had it.:usa:

You forgot to mention lengthening the engine compartment about 10"

Not to mention a nose wheel when it falls on it's face from the weight!

Cummins does make a 4 banger version

There is a guy at The Turbo Diesel Register that put a cummins 4bt in a tj, he loves it. I would with out a second thought by a jeep built like the one above. I have a diesel scout and really like it off the road, has good kreeping power. Not much in a drag race though.

the guys at Big Billy Barret Jeep here in Dallas say that the Rubicon has been killed. The bean counters got to it:( If this is true then the poser four by's are all the future holds for the US market...

I hope the Rubi is not dead. I still have to think that we will start to get real 4x4s once SUV's become more car based. What trucks in the US come with the 4cyl cummins turbo? It might be an intresting swap into a jeepster.

first of all, all dealerships have their heads up their collective @sses. i wouldn't believe them if they told me jeeps came in red. with that aside, go to jeeps website and they have a contest to win a rubicon. they are advertising rubicon. they are building rubincons. i'd say if the whole thing got that far into production, they already have the infrastructure for it ( or they wouldn't give them away ), and have spent that much on advertising for it.... i think its coming out is my point

they will still sale ya a 'Rubicon' soon. But will it be what we were told it would be, or will it just be a sticker on the hood? DC still says that none of the specifications are final. The cool transfer case and lockers will be the first to go... but hey, ya get a lame decal :flipoff2:

Eddie, check out these guys.

"We sell complete cut-out 4cyl Cummins engines with a sm465 (non-OD) trans for $2750 plus freight. The engine will be complete with fuel system, turbo, exhaust down pipe, alternator, starter, power steering pump, engine mounts, adapter plate, clutch & press plate, flywheel, and transmission etc.... The used engines carry a 90 day parts warranty. I hope this information has bEen helpful, but if you have other questions please feel free to ask and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. I look forward to helping you. Also, if you'll give me your address I'll get a shipping rate quote for you.
Thanks,
Jamie Avant
The Diesel Depot
800-553-8192"

They are great guys (were real helpful when i was looking for a 6.5 for my jeep) and that is a very good price, considering it will bolt up to any chevy tranny or use the sm465 that comes with it.

:D well that last post looks like it came right off the tdr web site....:D

kerryp

:D Actually I stole it off of the Dieselpage website, but it might have originally came from TDR, I have no idea. :D

There is a guy in the Sacramento area with a Cummins 6 in his CJ7.

Another

How big of a boy is the the 24V TD?

Originally posted by Scouter
Another

WTF! couldn't he find anything heavier??? that's just stupid:p

I could be wrong, but by the looks of that CJ, it does not see too much off-road.

So to answer your question-the pavement at the mall dont care how heavy it is!!!!

What is the advantages to having a desiel in a crawler?

Lots of torque

Originally posted by Eddie Mcstiff
Lots of torque
and while everyone else is out wheelin, thier tow rigs can be a source of spare engine parts.:D

That 6 cylinder cummins can't weigh too much more than a 454, caddy 500 or a V10. I think it's a good idea and if i could afford it I'd throw on in and help pull out all the "light" 4 bangers when they don't have enough power. :D

Originally posted by DieselYJ
I could be wrong, but by the looks of that CJ, it does not see too much off-road.

So to answer your question-the pavement at the mall dont care how heavy it is!!!!
Not my cup of tea, but I have seen it on the Rubicon a couple of times.

I am not gonna run out and get 1 but I think I would choose it over a BB.It's kinda cool.Too heavy.....:laughing: counter balance it w/a 14 bolt and big tires and the correct springs.....unless you plan on walking around w/it on your shoulders.....that might be easier w/a 2.5 :flipoff2:

I drive a Cummins TD, 24 valve, 6 cyl. in my truck. The engine with no trannie weighs over one thousand pounds! (1078). A Jeep frame could not take the weight, let alone the springs, hangers, axles, bearings. I've had a lot of diesels in my time, including an '80 Scout Traveller with factory Nissan 3.3L, 6 cyl.TD. It was cool doing the Rubicon and Ershim, but still a boat anchor of an engine with 101 neck snapping HP, and it weighed 900 lbs.
One of the Rock Crawling competitors ('Lil Smokey) has a Jeep with a 4 cyl. Cummins TD tied to an SM420. It seems to have plenty of torque and not weigh so blamed much. Not much in the pickup department though.
My favorite diesel to swap into a jeep would have to be the 3.9L, 6 cyl, Isuzu, TD. An SM420 will bolt right up to it. Not as heavy as the above engines. Lots of low end torque for rock crawling.
regards, as always, jefe

Ive given some thought to sticking the 4 cyl deisel in my junk. Anyone know the weight?
Scott

My Diesel SuperDuty weighs amost 1000lbs more then the same truck with a V10. From the Cummins sight a 3.9ISB weighs 773lbs dry.

JP

caddy 500s are actually the lightest BBs, IIRC

something like 580 lbs fully dressed i think.

454s are over the 700 lb mark i think (not all the "i think"s? :flipoff2:;) )

plus there's some caddy BB specialty shop that you can get aluminum heads, manifolds, etc from. that might get you into the low 500s.

cummins 6 is too big for anything but a full size jeep (there's some guy on www.ifsja.org who runs a m715 with a 6). the 4 sounds kinda sexy tho.

peace

Originally posted by Scouter
There is a guy in the Sacramento area with a Cummins 6 in his CJ7.
You guys have convinced me...It cant be done :rolleyes:

I'll tell you why you'll never see a diesel. It's because all the pinko hippie greenies don't like them. We're lockuy to still 6cyl's. If we left it up to them we'd all have electric cars with 13" wheels. F' the greenies, pollute it all and let my kids deal with it after I'm dead. :D

Bash or praise the Rubi, at least DCX is making an attempt to build a trail ready vehicle and not another watered down SUV...but then they are making that extended WJ, Compass, and those couple other pieces of shit. :rolleyes:

The probelm with all those non educated pinko hippies, is just that . They think that a diesel pollutes more because you can see the particulates; what they don't realize is that diesel emmisions degrade less overtime then gas emmisions, which results in the formation of less greenhouse gasses.

JP

The point is that all emissions degrade! God knew what he was doing when he made the earth. Even if we set out to destroy it we couldn't do it. Look at Japan we :nuke: it and it is still here! The greenies don't want us to think that way otherwise they will lose their influence and influence = POWER!:mad3: Ever wonder why greenies won't come up to us out in public and confront us? They can't even defend themselves in an honest debate.

First off. The new Jeep Rubicon is a great concept vehicle, holds true to jeep heritage while providing advancements that the targeted consumers are wanting. Takes OEM to the next level. Who knows, if this concept does actually see production, then others will follow, thus once again, putting Jeep in the forefront of new technologically advanced standards. Also its costs couldn't be that much more than what you'd find an average family sport-ute. Definitely more practical for my use.

As to the oil burners, I would vote for the Cummins 4BT due to its lighter weight while proving ample torque at lower RPMs required on some obstacles. My only question would be as to how the 4BT does when towing or pulling a trailer over mountain passes. I'm sure that matching the power band to gear ratios play a huge part.

And as to the Greenie Weenies, I'm MORE THAN SURE that they help contribute to the very same problem that they address, by buying these bus-sized family SUVs, or by commuting in a petroleum based vehicles for extended periods. Sorta makes them hypocrits as I see it.