Ranch stays for another year.

Mark is out asap.



That is all.....

Ranch stays for another year.

Mark is out asap.



That is all.....


so in other words, once ranch is out, everything will run smoothly and more drivers will show up at the uroc events?

ohhhhh boy...

Dayum....I've got the popcorn



Matt Holm
Outer Limit Motorsports
#59 Toyo Tires/Upper Limit Aviation

I support gay marriages, as long as both GUYS are hot!

Fixed it for you.:flipoff2:

Ranch stays for another year.

Mark is out asap.



That is all.....
Honest? Where did you hear this?

I was wondering why there were x-plex banners on some of the obstacles in Vegas.

The only experience I've had with x-plex was excellent so this is good news as far as I'm concerned. Glynn should figure out how to turn it from a 4-day foot hurting yawner to something the fans will come back for.

Moser Engineering recently purchased 51% of XPLEX Inc.

XPLEX will be a "silent partner" with UROC.

Ranch will continue to run UROC through 2006.

Mark Patey said he's not decided one way or another to stay or leave. He commented, "In one aspect I would like to start the next chapter of my life, and in another I don't want to leave...I really like so many teams and the people make it hard for me to make a decision. Every 30 minutes I change my mind."

SOURCE: Mark Patey

:D

What about the jackass announcer making fun of the handicap. Is he out too?

If the experiences this summer at the x-plex are any indication of what is to come this could be some of the best news this sport has ever had.

Thanks to moser and the x-plex

What about the jackass announcer making fun of the handicap. Is he out too?


yeah, what the hell was that all about. sarge kept anoucing that the guy (sorry i dont know his name) was the only Quadrplegic driver in the rockcrawl series. i believe he said it about 5 times in 15 minutes.

its nice that there will be some new owners, now maybe there can be two well liked series, W.E. Rock and now after Ranch is gone, UROC.

hey, ranch if you are out there, you should try to listen to the drivers, not piss them off. if you listen to the drivers suggetions and protests, like say, big rich in his events, then maybe some of the drivers would like you and not want to kick your ass. i heard you turned your back to several drivers trying to talk to you at supercrawl. big mistake.

thanks to X-Plex and Moser, good luck on your new venture.

thats just my .02

this is not a bash on UROC, this is a bash on the now previous owners of UROC.

Glynn should figure out how to turn it from a 4-day foot hurting yawner to something the fans will come back for.

like lance said in a previous post, if UROC used decent recovery equipment, like say a crane or a big fork lift, then it wouldnt be and hour in between runs. fans dont like to sit around and wait.

Different venue,same asshole at the wheel!! no thanks.

What about the jackass announcer making fun of the handicap. Is he out too?

Yeah, Sarge is a dickhead!!

EDIT
I personally don't know the Sarge so it's not fair for me to call him that. Hopefully this issue has been squashed with the Sarge and I.

Yeah, Sarge is a dickhead!!

What ever!

And My friend Clay Egan is a Quadrplegic. I was trying to have as I have always done, to get the crowd to root for him. If I offend anybody in anyway, I am truely sorry. It was not my intent in any way.

I also was very proud of him when he made it up and of the Toyo Terror! One of only about 7 or 8 I believe.

And I am a disabled American Vet and a memeber of the DAV.

Moser Engineering recently purchased 51% of XPLEX Inc.

XPLEX will be a "silent partner" with UROC.

Ranch will continue to run UROC through 2006.

Mark Patey said he's not decided one way or another to stay or leave. He commented, "In one aspect I would like to start the next chapter of my life, and in another I don't want to leave...I really like so many teams and the people make it hard for me to make a decision. Every 30 minutes I change my mind."

SOURCE: Mark Patey

:D

THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have never been happier, now if we can get the spineless Ranch out we can start having some rock crawls. Two for the money and now get them the fawk out.

This is absolutely the best news I've heard in years. With this news I'll be back for sure. Hopefully Ranch and Mark are reading these posts as well as the guys @ Moser and The X-Plex. Here are my recomendations for the sport to grow in a positive direction.
#1- ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH, No matter what just tell us the truth. Don't try to bullshit everyone( I know I'm the one to be talking but).
#2-YOUR'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY.
#3-SPEND THE MONEY TO STAY ON TOP OF MARKETING THE SPORT. This is a major downfall of UROC and has cost all of us serious $$$
#4- Every competitor is an investor also. We have all sacrificed family, finances, etc to be a part of the sport and we all deserve to know what the future holds

I could write a book about this stuff. I will agree that from the event at Portland I was very impressed with the guys up there, very, very pleasant to deal with and they actually were glad we came.\
I don't think I'll be able to compete much in 06 (like anybody cares). I'm trying to finish my house, My 76yr old mother broke her hip and has alzhiemers to boot, ton of family issues right noe for me.

Well we all knew this was coming.

I have a suggestion..............

At the next SuperCrawl dont take 30% of the entrance fees to pay for the construction of the courses. The course construction cost should be paid by UROC and its sponsers.

This is absolutely the best news I've heard in years. With this news I'll be back for sure. Hopefully Ranch and Mark are reading these posts as well as the guys @ Moser and The X-Plex. Here are my recomendations for the sport to grow in a positive direction.
#1- ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH, No matter what just tell us the truth. Don't try to bullshit everyone( I know I'm the one to be talking but).
#2-YOUR'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY.
#3-SPEND THE MONEY TO STAY ON TOP OF MARKETING THE SPORT. This is a major downfall of UROC and has cost all of us serious $$$
#4- Every competitor is an investor also. We have all sacrificed family, finances, etc to be a part of the sport and we all deserve to know what the future holds

I could write a book about this stuff. I will agree that from the event at Portland I was very impressed with the guys up there, very, very pleasant to deal with and they actually were glad we came.\
I don't think I'll be able to compete much in 06 (like anybody cares). I'm trying to finish my house, My 76yr old mother broke her hip and has alzhiemers to boot, ton of family issues right noe for me.

I was talking about ya this weekend Shupee. Your humor and funky ass shorts were missed at SuperCrawl! Hope to see ya next year at one point.

Kevin Carey

From a competitors stand point this must be a good thing. Hopefully taking the sport and the series into a better future. But from a crowd stand point it must be for the better. This was my first event. I was with a team in the pits for the first time and an observer for the first time. Both left me with a not so good taste in my mouth. The pits where a joke. When ranch had to make decisions, right or wrong, he didn't want to make them. From a observers stand point the view was bad, the lighting made it hard for pics, the timing and pace sucked (that was the worst), you didn't know points standings, commentary was bad(but I could see why it would be hard - he didn't even know what was going on),I could go on and on!!!!! There is so much potential, this is such a great and exciting sport. The teams I meet where the best. Everybody was so cool - pissed off at what they were having to deal with, but cool. I would like to thank the competitors for making my first experience a good one. If it wasn't for them I don't think I would ever go to another one!! I hope to see you at the next event. W.E.ROCK ?

Ranch is NOT out and is staying with UROC indefinitely.

UROC has NOT sold but has gained a silent partner that will allow UROC to fix many of the problems they have.

SOURCE - Ranch Pratt 11-3-05, 11:30 MT.

Rumors do nothing positive for the sport.


Roger Lovell

UROC has NOT sold but has gained a silent partner that will allow UROC to fix many of the problems they have.

SOURCE - Ranch Pratt 11-3-05, 11:30 MT.

Rumors do nothing positive for the sport


the main problem to fix is getting rid of ranch. obviously not many people like him and its hurting UROC as a series. you cant keep a series going strong with a person that hardly anyone likes running the show.

its a pretty good rumor. the rumor has been going strong since day one of supercrawl and even around sema the last few days. and all the drivers that i talked too were extremely happy to here that ranch was leaving after this year.

if ranch really wanted UROC and the sport of rockcrawling to grow, he would step-a-side.

i sure hope that moser and x-plex have been reading all this.

Uroc has been working without a full staff and yes it shows but Ranch loves the sport. Unfortunately he can not do everything himself.

I have worked closely with Ranch at many events including Supercrawl...He worked his a$$ off to pull off a show in Vegas.

Hopefully with more man power and everyone working together we will see the sport evolve into something we are all proud of.

Uroc has been working without a full staff and yes it shows but Ranch loves the sport. Unfortunately he can not do everything himself.

I have worked closely with Ranch at many events including Supercrawl...He worked his a$$ off to pull off a show in Vegas.

Hopefully with more man power and everyone working together we will see the sport evolve into something we are all proud of.

i know several top competitors that will not be running uroc events next year due to ranch running the show.

he turned his back on several drivers this past weekend who were trying to discuss protest the way he was running the comp. to me, it seemed like he was catoring more to espn, than to the drivers who were competing.

My .02 cents, as a competitor that was forced to take the 2005 season off and will be back for 2006. I will say, that I don't doubt Ranch's compassion for the sport and his dedication to UROC. He may have several interpersonal flaws and decision making issues. However, no one can deny the fact as much as we complain agree, disagree, or even agree to disagree, he is the primary reason the sport (As a whole) has been put into the venues and given the exposure it has recieved. It wasn't that long ago, this was a small town, Red Neck sport that has somehow been brought into the mainstream and is well represented in several SEMA booths and seen on ESPN. Hell, it wasn't that long ago, I seen a Rock crawling article in News Week. Don't get me wrong, I am not a Ranch fan and have never been. However, like with many successful companies, the founders had enough compassion and vision to set their company in the right direction. However, like most founders, their companies outgrew their founders abilities and it's time for them to step down. If it's time or not who knows? However, you are all correct that the team issues are over due and need to be addressed before the 06 season opener. Lastly, I also agree that we as competitors have continued to step it up every season with new technology and very clean professional looking cars. Often sacrificing family time, vacations, financial etc. So it is a two-way street, However, without someone willing to step up and sell this sport to the masses, all were left with is alot of very cool looking garage fixtures. Hope to the See you all next season. Daren

Very well said Daren.

I for one was very happy with the way Supercrawl was handled. Three years ago who would have thought that we would have a three day competition in Las Vegas in conjunction with SEMA? Like him or not Ranch has done incredible things for the sport. We all have had disagreements with UROC, Ranch, and amongst ourselves, it's part of motorsports. Everyone involved in this sport is passionate about it. At this point were all still in it for the fun; we have to be, the money isn't there yet. Key word is yet. Ranch has worked hard, taken bumps and invested an incredible amount of time and money into the sport. He wants to see the sport grow and be a success as much as the rest of us do. Everyone sees a different path to the top and it's impossible to always make everyone happy. The way I see it, Ranch's biggest problem has been the lack of manpower and the ability to delegate responsibilities to others. When your building your rig you want it done right, it's hard to turn it over to someone new and hope they do a job as good as you think you can do yourself. Ranch is in the same position but UROC has grown much beyond what one man can handle. X-Plex knows there are problems, but obviously they confident that Ranch can head this sport in the right direction.

I'm not defending Ranch or UROC but I did have a chance to talk in person with him at length this week. I truly believe that Ranch has good intentions and knows what needs to be done. I will not follow him blindly and likely will question many of his decisions but I don't feel that UROC will die with Ranch at the helm.

Brad and I spent a great deal of time at the event and SEMA talking with competitors and industry leaders. Yes, there are people that may not come back to UROC next year, but there are others ready to take their place. Some turnover might not be a bad thing. For the most part all of the fellow competitors that we spoke with were happy with Supercrawl IV and the off road industry is very interested. Maybe I'm talking with different people..

Uroc has been working without a full staff and yes it shows but Ranch loves the sport. Unfortunately he can not do everything himself.

I have worked closely with Ranch at many events including Supercrawl...He worked his a$$ off to pull off a show in Vegas.

Hopefully with more man power and everyone working together we will see the sport evolve into something we are all proud of.


He hasen't worked with a full staff cause they pissed everyone off, judges, marshals, crowd control, security, everyone, myself included. All because Patey and Ranch DON'T GIVE A SHIT about staff or competitors. Hell Tim, Chad, & Daryl left from the east, Why? Bullshit only gets you so far.

I say:flipoff2: uroc lets give we-rock a shot!

Seems to me like many of the posts are complaining about UROC not being for the competitors. Step back and think for a second - this isn't for the competitors per say. It's for the fans (and there appear to be 'opportnities' there too) and it will take a big fan base to make this sport grow. NASCAR drivers hate the restrictor plate races, but they're very popular with the fans...

If were gonna think back,there were more fans when Craig Stumph ran uroc but then I keep forgetting this sport is going forward!!!!

Curious,

All the Teams that do not like UROC, Why don't you go to WE-Rock Series?. :confused:
Everyone knows that Big Rich put on a great series and they listen to what Teams say and try to make each event better. Besides Lil- Rich is the best coarse Designer in the Sport.

What about the jackass announcer making fun of the handicap. Is he out too?

i didn't see what he was saying as inoffensive. The gentleman is a quadrapeligic and is overcoming an obstacle literally. Awesome driving by the way.

Kind of unrelated but does anyone know when the 06 UROC scheadule will be posted?

I heard at SuperCrawl that it is ready but they are waiting for one other schedule to come out because sponsers have asked that they not schedule conflicting events with it.

Hopefully it will be posted soon. :)

I've tried to stay out of this since we chose not to run UROC, but the complaints and competitor concerns expressed here remind me of just why we chose to run the W.E.ROCK series. I thought long and hard and my choice was obvious. It seems to me that the answer to all this is just as obvious.

The very first time I had a question, I called Big Rich. Guess what? He actually answered the phone! Even though he didn't know me and I was new to the sport, he took the time to listen and provide all the information I needed. He made me feel like I was welcome and part of the series from day 1. Since then having run the 05 east series, I can honestly say I feel we made the right choice and very much look forward to the 06 season and beyond.

Someone said earlier that "it's not about the drivers". I disagree and say that it's about everyone involved. It's about the drivers, the fans, the sponsors, oh and yea, the promotors too. The drivers are investors in this sport, we have all invested many hours of time and made a huge financial commitment to try and make this sport grow. Many have invested a hell of a lot more than I have and that commitment and the sacrifice of personal time away from family to travel all over the country should not be taken lightly. We all want to see this sport grow in the right direction.

To me, the direction I see us going with the Rich's at the helm of W.E.ROCK is the right direction for our team and the sport. I'm glad we made the choice we did.

To those that are fed up with where things are headed with UROC, the answer should be just as obvious. Come on in, the water's just fine :smokin:

message to all promoters: early scheduling is mandatory for BOTH the competitors and spectators; mid-season changes ?! = NO changes; changes in rules? early and every 2-3 years; advertising? do more than the week of an event - more like 6-12 mos.; free passes = only to those that can actually stimulate more ticket sells (large car parts stores - speed shops, local race car drivers and so on); consistency in schedule (ie. 3rd. weekend of the month); use local clubs/organizations more, AND pay them; more support through teams promoting the sport in their areas (ie. media coverage, attendence fees/stipends/free or discounted event fees in exchange for attending car shows, grand openings, other type race events, etc...); more "fun" things for spectators and competitors = live music, pre-event party (free snacks and beverages), raffles and give aways = build it up more on "friday nite". ever consider 8 obstacle, one day events?

message to all promoters: early scheduling is mandatory for BOTH the competitors and spectators; mid-season changes ?! = NO changes; changes in rules? early and every 2-3 years; advertising? do more than the week of an event - more like 6-12 mos.; free passes = only to those that can actually stimulate more ticket sells (large car parts stores - speed shops, local race car drivers and so on); consistency in schedule (ie. 3rd. weekend of the month); use local clubs/organizations more, AND pay them; more support through teams promoting the sport in their areas (ie. media coverage, attendence fees/stipends/free or discounted event fees in exchange for attending car shows, grand openings, other type race events, etc...); more "fun" things for spectators and competitors = live music, pre-event party (free snacks and beverages), raffles and give aways = build it up more on "friday nite". ever consider 8 obstacle, one day events?

Could someone translate this please...

:confused:

Could someone translate this please...

:confused:

Just break it up where the punctuation is - wasn't that hard to follow :)


TEX

uroc sure know how to piss the judges off

message to all promoters:
Early scheduling is mandatory for BOTH the competitors and spectators;
Mid-season changes ?! = NO changes;
Changes in rules? early and every 2-3 years;
Advertising? do more than the week of an event - more like 6-12 mos.;
Free passes = only to those that can actually stimulate more ticket sells (large car parts stores - speed shops, local race car drivers and so on);
Consistency in schedule (ie. 3rd. weekend of the month);
Use local clubs/organizations more, AND pay them;
More support through teams promoting the sport in their areas (ie. media coverage, attendence fees/stipends/free or discounted event fees in exchange for attending car shows, grand openings, other type race events, etc...);
More "fun" things for spectators and competitors = live music, pre-event party (free snacks and beverages), raffles and give aways = build it up more on "friday nite".
Ever consider 8 obstacle, one day events?

Better?

He hasen't worked with a full staff cause they pissed everyone off, judges, marshals, crowd control, security, everyone, myself included. All because Patey and Ranch DON'T GIVE A SHIT about staff or competitors. Hell Tim, Chad, & Daryl left from the east, Why? Bullshit only gets you so far.
Sounds like the scourned ex is posting. How did your competitive business do? Oh yeah...you're out of business. .

Better?

Yup. I can read that w/o a headache now. :grinpimp:

OH MY GAWD!!! :flipoff2: to all the cry babies. It never ceases to amaze me how everyone is so quick to bash UROC on anything and everything. Yet I have never seen any negative comments about other sanctioning rockcrawling bodies, and yes they all have had their problems. You all know it. But everone is so quick to jump on the UROC bash wagon. Well booo hoo.

I think all the promotors have done a great job to promote the sport, but NO ONE can can counter that UROC has taken the sport further than any other group. Ranch was the first person to envision a yearly series where points for the year counted. UROC was the first to do a man made course (yes, there were whiners about that one too). Now other promoters have seen the benefits and jumped on board.

This year UROC took another HUGE step and combined the SuperCrawl with SEMA. They also built the first full scale comp course that was temporary. Yes, it had it's problems, like every other new and innovative idea. Some of the best didn't do well, yet there were still winners that deserved to win. I think Shannon said it best when I was talking to him about his carnage and finish, and he just laughed and said, "well shit man, you can't always win."

Now all promotors can take advantage of what happened at SuperCrawl, both good and bad, and capitalize on what actually went right, which by the way, was a lot more than what went wrong.

Yep I'm putting on the fire suit now so flame away:mad3: . I don't really care. I'm just trying to get across the point that UROC has taken chances and been willing to gamble, and in doing so has brought rock racing light years ahead of where it was. It's also brought the sport to the attention of the media and the industry, and in part, because of that, not all competitors are having to pay full price to play these days.

A couple of thoughts...

I have been competing for 3 seasons now... and IMHO, things have gotten WAY better in regards to UROC. Sure, there were things that needed to be improved, and things that will need improvement next season too... but as a whole, things are looking way up.

This last event in Vegas was awesome, sure the pits were a PITA, but nothing that couldn't be sorted with a couple minutes of patience. I think it would have been 100 times better had all the guys with trailers known how constricted it would get... lesson learned.

The obstacles were great, hard, but doable... They changed less in the three days of comp than natural courses can change in a day (remember the BIG rock in St. George).

Props to UROC and all the other promoters that care to make it happen :D

Kurt Willims (driving the Maxxis #250 rig ~ Vegas)

What about the jackass announcer making fun of the handicap. Is he out too?

Care to elaborate (read: backup) your statement?

When did Sgt. ever make a negative comment about Clay. I was there for 3 days and didn't hear a single negative remark. Clay in a inspiration... plain and simple!

OH MY GAWD!!! :flipoff2: to all the cry babies. It never ceases to amaze me how everyone is so quick to bash UROC on anything and everything. Yet I have never seen any negative comments about other sanctioning rockcrawling bodies

first off, i dont see any crybaby posts in this thread. i see people who want the sport of rockcrawling to progress.

and you know why you dont see that many negative comments about other sanctioning bodies, its because they LISTEN to the drivers and fans comments and suggestions. suggestions on how to make the sport better than ever.

What about the jackass announcer making fun of the handicap. Is he out too?


Care to elaborate (read: backup) your statement?

When did Sgt. ever make a negative comment about Clay. I was there for 3 days and didn't hear a single negative remark. Clay in a inspiration... plain and simple!


I did'nt see it that way either...I was there all 3 days and thought Sgt. did an exellent job...even standing on the cement all that time.

Clay...over the top.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=213377&stc=1&d=1131142262

Sgt. hard at work.


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=213378&stc=1&d=1131142501

OH MY GAWD!!! :flipoff2: to all the cry babies.
Bart, ya got remember that not everybody has been in UROC... er, RCAA... I mean... ARCA... well, maybe just COMPETING :p as long as you have. There have been some pretty amazing changes since the late 90's. Heck, I remember when Flo had doors and ELECTRIC windows! :flipoff2: http://www.4x4wire.com/news/wrcc99/mikepix/b3airXJ.jpg

Love him or hate him, Ranch has been around longer than any promoter I can think of other than Bob Hazel. Every other promoter is working from the foundation created by those that have gone before, and I hope that EVERYONE (Ranch included) is working hard to learn from past mistakes and move forward. The folks I talked to yesterday at the demonstration site were all pretty stoked to see what big money sponsorship of the promoters would bring -- it should be pretty awesome regardless of who's at the podium awarding the trophies.

Looking forward to next season,

Randii

i didn't see what he was saying as inoffensive. The gentleman is a quadrapeligic and is overcoming an obstacle literally. Awesome driving by the way.


No, he did not make fun of Clay at all. He was making fun of someone that did something stupid and he said they needed a handicap sign. Then he said the guy would probable hit his head on it. Don't remember exactly what was said I just thought is was wrong. I was standing by some SEMA exibitors that were talking about it.
Sarge also said that Clay was the only Quad that has competed in off road motorsports. Guess he doesn't know that one of the biggest names Rock Crawling has (Walker Evans) has a son Evan Evans that I believe has the same condition as Clay and has off road championships under his belt.

Clay did awesome, He was in my class and I got to watch him a bunch. That guy can drive.

Also Mark saying that before UROC we were a bunch of red necks doesn't sound good to me.

Also somebody tell Mark that we don't put magnesium in our tires. Thats two events I have heard that.

Kevin Yoder

Yeah, Sarge is a dickhead!!

EDIT
I personally don't know the Sarge so it's not fair for me to call him that. Hopefully this issue has been squashed with the Sarge and I.

Consider it Squashed. If anybody would like to help with announcing, Hey I'm all for it, if you would like make a sugestion to me, feel free. I am working hard to make each event better from my actions and trying to learn more about each team each time. All teams are invited to send me a profile and a update at any time. I also completely understand that there is NOWAY I can make everyperson happy, but I'm aways up to listing to you foks about what you want.

Well, it's end of SEMA and I've announced now 7 out of 8 days and I'm going out to dinner with wonderful wife and am looking forward to next season!

God Bless The Troops!

the main problem to fix is getting rid of ranch. obviously not many people like him and its hurting UROC as a series. you cant keep a series going strong with a person that hardly anyone likes running the show.
. . . if ranch really wanted UROC and the sport of rockcrawling to grow, he would step-a-side.


Bitch much?
Tell me smbisig, what kind of videos would you be shooting if it were't for UROC?
There is no mention of other sanctioning bodies on your website.

:eek: Shocking, another dogpile of unconstructive UROC bashing on Pirate.:eek:

Everyone likes to bag on #1 to distract from their own failures. Just look at Chavez.

Roger that Terry ;-)

Bitch much?
Tell me smbisig, what kind of videos would you be shooting if it were't for UROC?

what the hell does that mean? actually, as you can see by the date on the home page, my site is a little out of date. do to other contract work, i was not able to make it to any uroc events, only w.e.rock events. supercrawl was the first uroc event that i attended to and the only reason for that was because it was supercrawl, and now i have a bad taste in my mouth.

plus, this is not just me bitching, i talked to several drivers that were pissed off at Ranch this weekend. like i said before, i am not bashing uroc, i just think the current management needs to go. all i want is for the sport of rockcrawling to grow into something larger than what it is today. and dont get me wrong, uroc should be a part of this growth, as well as w.e.rock, and all other series including the local rock pile rockcrawl comps to introduce drivers into the sport. all these events are the foundation of what the sport is to be come. if we have one faulty section of the foundation, then the whole sport will come crashing down.

...He was making fun of someone that did something stupid and he said they needed a handicap sign. Then he said the guy would probable hit his head on it. Don't remember exactly what was said I just thought is was wrong.

I heard the exact comments... and IMHO it was nothing notable, hell not even notable for you to remember. For Sgt (who sports a handicap license plate) to tell someone else they need one? Big deal...

...Sarge also said that Clay was the only Quad that has competed in off road motorsports. Guess he doesn't know that one of the biggest names Rock Crawling has (Walker Evans) has a son Evan Evans that I believe has the same condition as Clay and has off road championships under his belt.

I beleive you should look into that. While Evans story is just as amazing as Clay's (and similar), Evan is parapalegic. Both are inspiring... If Sgt is incorrect about how many quadrapalegic motorsports athletes there are, mabey you should take a minute to correct him rather than insult him. Do you want to be the pot or the kettle?

PLEASE READ THIS I HAVEN'T TYPED THIS MUCH IN YEARS THIS WILL CLEAR THE AIR FOR ME!!!
As far as bashing UROC goes I'm a little guilty myself, But for what I think is good reason.

Back in I think 1999 I attended Ranch's 1st event in Farmington. Have supported them by going to 90% of the events over the years. Only missed some when I was in the hospital getting my shit fixed from driving off a bonus.
My point is very simple::: I've supported them for years, been in Cali when my dad had a stroke, my aniversary, my sons b-day etc etc. Sure UROC has done some good things no doubt HOWEVER the ole 1 step forward- 2 steps back comes to mind. UROC has cost every competitor $$$ for whatever reason they can't seem to grasp the fact that corparate America has budgets to work with and they are finalized for the most part by the end of the 3rd quarter (need I call specific names here UROC knows who they all are)
How can a proposal be submitted in February and expect to get any $$$ for that same year??? We have lost a ton of "smaller" co's that can't afford to spend 6 figures literally turned down by UROC because they didn't want to spend their "minimum" sponsor amount. This takes contingency money from competitors!!!! When we won the Supercrawl in 02 we took home right at 20K with I think 16K coming from UROC (bought myself a NNEEWW above ground pool) and fuel was only $1.19 gal. Budweiser was @ 2.49 you get my drift. Like Lance stated earlier we got 110% not 65% Do the math I did.
The straws that broke the proverbial camels back for me were several things but the bigger ones are as follows
1- Ranch calling me last winter and accusing me of forming a drivers "Union" and telling me I or anyone doing this would be banned. I don't have time for that shit!!
2- Taking potential sponsors that they heard were interested and talking to teams and calling them up. 1st thing you know there banners at the events with these co's, and the teams were told "We decided to sponsor the series instead" then UROC doesn't do as they promised and these unnamed co's want nothing to do with the sport. GOT SCREWED BY ?????
3- I've managed to keep quiet about this on the various forums but I'll go ahead and tell why I didn't finish the year in 05.
I was running exibition @ Jellico. Day 2 Mark Patey confronts me @ the gate and tells me I'm the root of all his problems. Asked me if I told someone that they had been sold to Hot import nights??? I said yes I had told several people that because it had been mentioned to me a dozen times over the last week or so. He told me that it was nobodys business what they did and I told hime he was wrong that we deserved to know what was in our future with this thing, all of us were investors in UROC. He then in a round about way asked me to leave. I went and got the rig loaded,up kept Moose from kicking his ass all over the parking lot and here he comes again to my truck( I told all the rednecks in the truck we'd just go the bar and drink beer all weekend) Mark asked me to stay and told him he had made his decision and I was through.
This is why I haven't been around lately combined with family health issues etc. etc.
I have a right to talk shit because of the way I've been treated.
In closing I think Glen is a SUPER GUY and I will support them 110% in their endeavor!!! We all agree UROC needs help to survive hopefully this is what they needed.

Hey Ken,
Do you see any relationship between when things went south and the arrival of Mark Patey?
Your support of Glen (who is basically replacing Mark as investor/partner) seems to imply that you see Mark as the source of problems and not Ranch.

PS: When's the next union meeting? I still haven't recieved my membership card and decoder ring . . . :laughing:

. . . i was not able to make it to any uroc events, only w.e.rock events. supercrawl was the first uroc event that i attended to and the only reason for that was because it was supercrawl, and now i have a bad taste in my mouth.


You have a bad taste in your mouth after visiting Vegas? I don't want to know what else you did while you were there, but you may want to see a Dr. about that :flipoff2: :laughing:

Seriously though, what does it mean? Let me paraphrase you and see if you can figure it out yourself:
"I've never been to a UROC event, but UROC SUX and Ranch should be FIRED!"
Supercrawl is not a normal UROC event. It means you don't know WTF you are talking about but are not smart enough to realize that you should try and learn more about the real deal before going on the attack. Stop parroting what other people say and make sure you understand the big picture before attacking a big part of our sport. I'm not saying don't attack, I'm saying get the facts first.

. . . plus, this is not just me bitching, i talked to several drivers that were pissed off at Ranch this weekend. like i said before, i am not bashing uroc, i just think the current management needs to go.

"Current management"? Ranch IS UROC. It's HIS COMPANY. He is not "just some guy" hired to run the thing. All the strategic work event work done in the last year was pretty much done by him (with a small army of volunteers assisting on tactical stuff). The only other decision maker was Mark Patey who focused on sponsorship deals as far as I can tell with some questionable methods according to my friend Shupee.

Guess what: drivers like to bitch. They have a lot on the line and are under tremendous pressure. One way to release that pressure without hurting anyone is to complain. So it's not always constructive? They are in the game with money on the line. What's your excuse? You don't have to try and keep your $40k rig in one piece on a dangerous new course after towing it for 40 hours, all the while stressing about pimping yourself to new sponsors and trying to keep your team focused and "on".
If the drivers stopped bitching, THEN Ranch would have something to worry about. When they stop bitching, they will stop coming (except Ken who stopped coming but kept bitching :p )

You are a classic example of why UROC won't come on this board. There is no way of differentiating between those who have a stake in the game and those who just like the drama and stirring the pot and it's about 100:1 ratio favoring the drama pimps.

Stop yapping with the jackals long enough to realize that SC4/SEMA was GREAT for the sport and that means it was great for all of us (even WEROCK).

Who knows? Maybe if you update your site and actually create a product, even YOU might make a few bucks off of UROC.

I heard the exact comments... and IMHO it was nothing notable, hell not even notable for you to remember. For Sgt (who sports a handicap license plate) to tell someone else they need one? Big deal...



I beleive you should look into that. While Evans story is just as amazing as Clay's (and similar), Evan is parapalegic. Both are inspiring... If Sgt is incorrect about how many quadrapalegic motorsports athletes there are, mabey you should take a minute to correct him rather than insult him. Do you want to be the pot or the kettle?


Well then I should not have bashed Sarge. Yes Sarge does a good job with the announcing. I thought the comments sounded out of place at the time.
IMO

Yes I should voice my opinion in person and not in this way.

KY

No, he did not make fun of Clay at all. He was making fun of someone that did something stupid and he said they needed a handicap sign.

Oh that, The east side was line with signs for the parking lot. Guess what they where? Handy Cap parking signs. I through a shirt and a guy dove for it and I mean he smack the heck out of that sign. Really rung his bell. Then I said I bet he needs that sign now! Everyone right there that saw it was really laughing, sorry if it offened you.



Then he said the guy would probable hit his head on it. Don't remember exactly what was said I just thought is was wrong. I was standing by some SEMA exibitors that were talking about it.
Sarge also said that Clay was the only Quad that has competed in off road motorsports. Guess he doesn't know that one of the biggest names Rock Crawling has (Walker Evans) has a son Evan Evans that I believe has the same condition as Clay and has off road championships under his belt.

Well Nobody in 3 years has told me this to include Walker who I've know for a long time. And the last thing I would ever want to do is insult a great man like Walker, but from my reseach, I have found that his son is a paraplegic and a great off roader in his own right! The info I found on him was great! But I know you are wondering where I got my info so here it is.

http://ra.disabilityexpo.com/unusual/evans.htm

As always the Evans racing team never stops amasing me!





Clay did awesome, He was in my class and I got to watch him a bunch. That guy can drive.

Also Mark saying that before UROC we were a bunch of red necks doesn't sound good to me.

Also somebody tell Mark that we don't put magnesium in our tires. Thats two events I have heard that.

Kevin Yoder

So Kevin, we cool?

I'm not number one and that puts me in a mood to bag on UROC...

1) Every year they try to take one giant step forward and every year they screw up ten other things in the attempt. They ought to take a medium step next year.

2) I'd like to see number of events reduced to 5. It was much better at only 6 this year, but 5 would be better yet. Less is more.

3) I miss the old days of 14 courses and 15 minutes for each one. Now it is down to 8 courses and 7 minutes each. I'm in it for the driving, but I doubt there will be changes on this.

4) I've been doing this too long and I'm too cynical to think that this event at SEMA is going to change much. Sure it will help a little bit.

5) Tech once a year.

I'm not number one and that puts me in a mood to bag on UROC...

1) Every year they try to take one giant step forward and every year they screw up ten other things in the attempt. They ought to take a medium step next year.

2) I'd like to see number of events reduced to 5. It was much better at only 6 this year, but 5 would be better yet. Less is more.

3) I miss the old days of 14 courses and 15 minutes for each one. Now it is down to 8 courses and 7 minutes each. I'm in it for the driving, but I doubt there will be changes on this.

4) I've been doing this too long and I'm too cynical to think that this event at SEMA is going to change much. Sure it will help a little bit.

5) Tech once a year.

Hey Terry, HAPPY B-DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3) I miss the old days of 14 courses and 15 minutes for each one. Now it is down to 8 courses and 7 minutes each. I'm in it for the driving, but I doubt there will be changes on this.

Amen to that. I started getting into competitions because I had outgrown trail riding and was looking for something more challenging and fun. Back in the day, it seemed like we got two whole days of bad ass courses, not a day of waiting for only 8. What would it hurt to go to more courses and longer times? I know it would up the "fun level" for me personally.

But, what do I know, I said piss on it all and will only be running the XRRA series next year.

Hey Terry, HAPPY B-DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeh, thanks Big Sarg :D. I wanted to have a big old paper-mache cake on top of my rig for the event, but didn't make the time. I would of crushed it on the second obstacle anyway :rasta:

For the record, this thread wasn't about bashing UROC. I thought the addition of X-Plex was a possitive thing and should be noticed ASAP.

Supercrawl and SEMA together was a huge push forward in rockcrawling. None of this ever would have happened without Ranch Pratt at the helm. I'll be the first to bitch when he does something I feel is not in the best interest of rockcrawling and the first to back him when he gets it right. And based on what the last two weeks have given us, he deserves all the credit.

Ranch is staying on for some time to come. Everyone involved has told me Mark is moving on. I've never met Glen but I'm looking forward to talking to him soon.

The business of rockcrawling isn't perfect. Now matter what you do, someone's not happy.

I thank Ranch, Mark, and all of the Uroc gang for the hard work and huge success over the last few weeks.

Thanks also to the sponsors of the Proving ground and All stars. Pro Comp Tires, BFG, Toyo, Goodyear, Maxxiss, and X-plex.


OH ya... WARN CAN EAT A BOWL OF DICKS. YOU GUYS ARE ASSHOLES AND THANKS FOR THE SCREWING !!!

First off, nobody's perfect so the bashing on UROC is BS. That team of a FEW people took on more than anyone I know could handle and pulled it all off...yes, there were problems at most of the turns but they did more than anybody to break new ground and we all should be thankful. UROC has done a great job...no, not perfect, but with the risks they took and the investment it took, I will always offer them my respect, even when things don't go my way. SuperCrawl and SEMA were a success. I hope the team from the X-Plex can take an already good thing to a higher level.

Tony, if you weren't there for the WARN contract signing and know every detail, then your comment puts you in the exact shoes you are trying to fit on them. None of us were there when conversations and contracts were done between SEMA, UROC, and WARN, so we have no business blaming any of them for what happened. On this situation, I wouldn't trust ANYONE's word, I'd just chalk it up to poor communication between big businesses and some people got inadvertantly shafted...If you're going to say FUCK YOU to someone about this situation, you'd be far better off to say it to all three (UROC, SEMA, and WARN) because they all got themselves (and us) into this...I think you'd be far better off to just say nothing at all.

For the record, this thread wasn't about bashing UROC. I thought the addition of X-Plex was a possitive thing and should be noticed ASAP.

Supercrawl and SEMA together was a huge push forward in rockcrawling. None of this ever would have happened without Ranch Pratt at the helm. I'll be the first to bitch when he does something I feel is not in the best interest of rockcrawling and the first to back him when he gets it right. And based on what the last two weeks have given us, he deserves all the credit.

Ranch is staying on for some time to come. Everyone involved has told me Mark is moving on. I've never met Glen but I'm looking forward to talking to him soon.

The business of rockcrawling isn't perfect. Now matter what you do, someone's not happy.

I thank Ranch, Mark, and all of the Uroc gang for the hard work and huge success over the last few weeks.

Thanks also to the sponsors of the Proving ground and All stars. Pro Comp Tires, BFG, Toyo, Goodyear, Maxxiss, and X-plex.


OH ya... WARN CAN EAT A BOWL OF DICKS. YOU GUYS ARE ASSHOLES AND THANKS FOR THE SCREWING !!!

don't know what to say about the Warn winch deal but I can say this....... I was asked if I had a contract w/ Ramsey I told them no. They told me that I had to have a Warn winch to stay out in the Prooving grounds. I told them I could not leave because of other sponsors. They told me that they would over n ight a winch to me. We looked at my rig and the mounting plate was bent and I thought it was a waste of money to ship one. We agreed that I would take it off for the event because it was only there for display because I blew my rear end up. Somewhere the competetors where left out but I thought Warn treated me very fare.

OH ya... WARN CAN EAT A BOWL OF DICKS. YOU GUYS ARE ASSHOLES AND THANKS FOR THE SCREWING !!!

what the...:confused:

First off, nobody's perfect so the bashing on UROC is BS. That team of a FEW people took on more than anyone I know could handle and pulled it all off...yes, there were problems at most of the turns but they did more than anybody to break new ground and we all should be thankful. UROC has done a great job...no, not perfect, but with the risks they took and the investment it took, I will always offer them my respect, even when things don't go my way. SuperCrawl and SEMA were a success. I hope the team from the X-Plex can take an already good thing to a higher level.

Tony, if you weren't there for the WARN contract signing and know every detail, then your comment puts you in the exact shoes you are trying to fit on them. None of us were there when conversations and contracts were done between SEMA, UROC, and WARN, so we have no business blaming any of them for what happened. On this situation, I wouldn't trust ANYONE's word, I'd just chalk it up to poor communication between big businesses and some people got inadvertantly shafted...If you're going to say FUCK YOU to someone about this situation, you'd be far better off to say it to all three (UROC, SEMA, and WARN) because they all got themselves (and us) into this...I think you'd be far better off to just say nothing at all.

The Warn people couldn't even get the lies straight between their own people so I should take Warn's word over Ranch and Tom from Sema ? I think not. Warn turned the most positive thing about the last 2 weeks into a huge black eye.

It's the same as Maxxis telling everyone with a BFG to get off the courses 'cause he paid more.

They could have fixed this Monday or Tuesday morning when I spoke to everyone involved. But no. Warn delays the whole thing for 2 more days. Then they give me 1 winch that doesn't fit.

When I asked on Tuesday morning if I could just cover it up, or remove it, I was told no. I must have a Warn winch on it. As we all know, that was not the case.

It's the same as Maxxis telling everyone with a BFG to get off the courses 'cause he paid more.

They could have fixed this Monday or Tuesday morning when I spoke to everyone involved. But no. Warn delays the whole thing for 2 more days. Then they give me 1 winch that doesn't fit.

When I asked on Tuesday morning if I could just cover it up, or remove it, I was told no. I must have a Warn winch on it. As we all know, that was not the case.


Tony, Im guessing all of this was for the All Stars event after SC?

So Kevin, we cool?

Yes Sarge, we are cool, shouldn't have made the jackass comment. Not the way I should have have handled it. I'll buy ya a cold one next year.

KY

I could'nt have gotten better news! SWEET!!!, AWSOME!!! when's Ranch leaving??!!

I have to disagree with Darren and Chops you've forgotten the heart of this sport as you have been minipulated into doing and as you were and are intended to, I might add. Ranch and Mark are not the reason that this sport has continued and grown if anything they've almost burried it. Once again because of the public nature of this forrum I'll keep my mouth shut as to the how's and why's.(It's amazing what is public record if you know where to look)

The Competitors are!!!

Through all of the b.s. the competitors have kept the faith, kept their PUBLIC mouths shut regardless of how much crap they've had to eat, and continued to invest countless MILLIONS of dollars to further the sport. The amount of Time, Effort and MONEY expended by the competiors to this point DWARFS any effort put forth by UROC or ARCCA, remember guys they've been MAKING MONEY not spending it blindly on false promises' and in the hope that somthing like this might happen.UROC has NEVER given a dime to a competitor (that I'm aware of) that they didn't get from them first, up front and in advance I might add.

I welcome the new owners of UROC and hope that they continue to build the sport with honesty and integrity two values that have been put aside in order to further the personal agenda's of the previous owner and stil 49% stock holder.

Mark and Ranch,
Please do all of us(including yourselves and your new partner) a favor and step aside to allow new, more compitent management to take over. Regardless of what you say, your actions have pre-ceeded you and as stated above in other posts they are not held in high regard amongst the racing community. I feel that if you insist on being in the public eye you will not be able to resist your old ways and regardless of your new controling stockholder will continue to further damage UROC's image.

To the Execuitives @ Moser and X-Plex please take the comments on this board seriously and interview competitors individually and privately (not just the UROC favorites) and I think you will find the proof is in the pudd'in.

P.S. To everyone I discussed this topic with previous to the sale...when I say the blueberries are ready, get ur bucket butchie!!:flipoff2:


I'm looking foward to seeing you all again in 06 and competing in a series that I can once agian belive in.

On the note of proper recovery equipement
Wagner Rents(CATERPILLAR) has offered me ,on several occasions, to provide equipement to events for recovery, dust control and anything else, free of charge, this is somthing they do regularly at large public events nation-wide... details as to why they have not been present available in the parking lot over a beer , once again not in public.
This is not the only thing that revolves around mis-management that is missing from the events.

Check this


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410241

Yes Sarge, we are cool, shouldn't have made the jackass comment. Not the way I should have have handled it. I'll buy ya a cold one next year.

KY

Looking forward to it!

I just finished reading "1000 miles to glory" by Marty Fiolka,
www.bullpublishing.com. I highly suggest this book to anyone involved in this sport we all seem to be passionate about. Looking at the begining of other motorsports and the troubles they overcame can be helpfull in building a long lasting sport we can all be proud of.( there's lots of pictures for those of you that don't like to read) As a business owner and past promoter of rockcrawling events my first hand knowledge of the difficulties, lend me to give the benefit of the doubt to all parties involved.

There are, in my eyes legitemet complaints that require attention, but the growth this sport has seen in such a short time never ceases to amaze me. (You should all be proud of what you have acomplished together so quickly)
I look forward to seeing what The new partners can bring to the table, and the new growth they will inject. I would like to add that telling someone that the business they built sucks because of there actions seems rude to me. We all make our own choices in life, if the product your buying no longer suits you, purchase the other brand. lucky for Rock Crawling we all have choices.
Couple penny's from an outside observer.

i have been a wheeler for years, and though by no means am i a competitor, hanging out at the course was difficult to take. sure, the course was huge, and the exposure we got was great, but i had no idea that so many people (competitors) felt so negatively about ranch and mark. EVERY competitor i know had something negative to say. i got there late wed. afternoon, just in time for a blonde guy with a uroc badge verbally rip the hell out of patey in the uroc booth. true, they have done alot for our sport, and i think that this move wil be great for UROC, but i had no idea the growing pains were as large as they are right now. last year was even worse at sema. patey mistook half of the competitors riding passenger in buggies for spectators and stuck his foot in his mouth more times than i could count.
I hope this makes things better for all of us. it occurred to me that i am SO thankful to pirate. uroc doesn't even have people on hand to cover the event for those at home! no fotos, no commentary, their website is weak, etc. without this website we would have....not much fellas. anyway, i hope this takes our sport to the next level and i thank sam, lance, and everyone else that brought fotos and commentary to our desktops so we know what is going on.

You know, I usually keep my mouth shut, but I just can't help it right now. You all complain about the way UROC is run, who is running it, the changes being made, and so on....but I have yet to see any one but Baer and Brandon go out and actually try to do it different. Don't get me wrong, I love each and every one of you, but if you think you can do it better, by all means, go do it. Otherwise, why don't you try suggesting and understanding that it has been a two man show for how long? I challenge any of you to start a series, keep it running for 6 years, and make it grow at the rate that Ranch has. I know you all have your separate problems, and I know that all of you cannot be pleased. If Ranch tried to please everyone of you, imagine the mess you would have. One of you would love the change, another would condem it. You have to find the happy medium. Please understand I don't mean this offensively to anyone. Just had to get it off my chest.

Natalie

If Ranch tried to please everyone of you, imagine the mess you would have. Natalie

If Ranch had a rulebook out and a schedule he would have 80% of the teams off his back. The other 20% may have let other stuff get personal and can't be made happy. The rulebook has a good base so why would it take more than a few days to make a few changes that we know we need and get it out. Ranch has done a lot for the sport but a few bads really cover up a lot of the good. You say Baer is the only one that has gone on there own..... look out for Werock and XRRA next year.

Ranch told me yesterday that he was trying to finish up rules by this Friday. Hope this bit of info helps.

PLEASE READ THIS I HAVEN'T TYPED THIS MUCH IN YEARS THIS WILL CLEAR THE AIR FOR ME!!!
As far as bashing UROC goes I'm a little guilty myself, But for what I think is good reason.

Back in I think 1999 I attended Ranch's 1st event in Farmington. Have supported them by going to 90% of the events over the years. Only missed some when I was in the hospital getting my shit fixed from driving off a bonus.
My point is very simple::: I've supported them for years, been in Cali when my dad had a stroke, my aniversary, my sons b-day etc etc. Sure UROC has done some good things no doubt HOWEVER the ole 1 step forward- 2 steps back comes to mind. UROC has cost every competitor $$$ for whatever reason they can't seem to grasp the fact that corparate America has budgets to work with and they are finalized for the most part by the end of the 3rd quarter (need I call specific names here UROC knows who they all are)
How can a proposal be submitted in February and expect to get any $$$ for that same year??? We have lost a ton of "smaller" co's that can't afford to spend 6 figures literally turned down by UROC because they didn't want to spend their "minimum" sponsor amount. This takes contingency money from competitors!!!! When we won the Supercrawl in 02 we took home right at 20K with I think 16K coming from UROC (bought myself a NNEEWW above ground pool) and fuel was only $1.19 gal. Budweiser was @ 2.49 you get my drift. Like Lance stated earlier we got 110% not 65% Do the math I did.
The straws that broke the proverbial camels back for me were several things but the bigger ones are as follows
1- Ranch calling me last winter and accusing me of forming a drivers "Union" and telling me I or anyone doing this would be banned. I don't have time for that shit!!
2- Taking potential sponsors that they heard were interested and talking to teams and calling them up. 1st thing you know there banners at the events with these co's, and the teams were told "We decided to sponsor the series instead" then UROC doesn't do as they promised and these unnamed co's want nothing to do with the sport. GOT SCREWED BY ?????
3- I've managed to keep quiet about this on the various forums but I'll go ahead and tell why I didn't finish the year in 05.
I was running exibition @ Jellico. Day 2 Mark Patey confronts me @ the gate and tells me I'm the root of all his problems. Asked me if I told someone that they had been sold to Hot import nights??? I said yes I had told several people that because it had been mentioned to me a dozen times over the last week or so. He told me that it was nobodys business what they did and I told hime he was wrong that we deserved to know what was in our future with this thing, all of us were investors in UROC. He then in a round about way asked me to leave. I went and got the rig loaded,up kept Moose from kicking his ass all over the parking lot and here he comes again to my truck( I told all the rednecks in the truck we'd just go the bar and drink beer all weekend) Mark asked me to stay and told him he had made his decision and I was through.
This is why I haven't been around lately combined with family health issues etc. etc.
I have a right to talk shit because of the way I've been treated.
In closing I think Glen is a SUPER GUY and I will support them 110% in their endeavor!!! We all agree UROC needs help to survive hopefully this is what they needed.


I agree, I was treated unhealthy by certain individuals upon there arrival, I was already there, I had already won a championship, I had done numerous things for free to help them, In return, you get my drift...

O yet even more, the largest, I have three sponsors that were mistreated by them, told me about it straight from there mouth's, told me there disconcerns and I said screw this,, I left....I would love to come back, but I don't think I would ever, not by at least the way other organizations have treated me and not mistreated my big sponsors...

Life's to short to put up with people who aren't honest.:smokin:

[QUOTE=rockstacker1]I could'nt have gotten better news! SWEET!!!, AWSOME!!! when's Ranch leaving??!!

Through all of the b.s. the competitors have kept the faith, kept their PUBLIC mouths shut regardless of how much crap they've had to eat, and continued to invest countless MILLIONS of dollars to further the sport. The amount of Time, Effort and MONEY expended by the competiors to this point DWARFS any effort put forth by UROC or ARCCA, remember guys they've been MAKING MONEY not spending it blindly on false promises' and in the hope that somthing like this might happen.UROC has NEVER given a dime to a competitor (that I'm aware of) that they didn't get from them first, up front and in advance I might add.

QUOTE]

I'd love to know what you are basing this statement on. Have you seen financials? Do you have privileged information? Or is this just another baseless statement regurgitated from what you think you know? This is the type of rhetoric that is killing the sport and discouraging new competitors and sponsors alike.

So please enlighten us, can you prove this is true. :shaking: I'd bet not.

[QUOTE=rockstacker1]I could'nt have gotten better news! SWEET!!!, AWSOME!!! when's Ranch leaving??!!

Through all of the b.s. the competitors have kept the faith, kept their PUBLIC mouths shut regardless of how much crap they've had to eat, and continued to invest countless MILLIONS of dollars to further the sport. The amount of Time, Effort and MONEY expended by the competiors to this point DWARFS any effort put forth by UROC or ARCCA, remember guys they've been MAKING MONEY not spending it blindly on false promises' and in the hope that somthing like this might happen.UROC has NEVER given a dime to a competitor (that I'm aware of) that they didn't get from them first, up front and in advance I might add.

QUOTE]

I'd love to know what you are basing this statement on. Have you seen financials? Do you have privileged information? Or is this just another baseless statement regurgitated from what you think you know? This is the type of rhetoric that is killing the sport and discouraging new competitors and sponsors alike.

So please enlighten us, can you prove this is true. :shaking: I'd bet not.

i agree, lets see something to back these comments up, sometimes personal emotions and feelings need to be kept that way if not for anything else but for the betterment of the sport, sure maybe some sponsors have issues with UROC but you create issues with potential sponsors when they see your negativity.

i have tons of negative issues that occur daily but i refuse to air them anywhere, why, it is not good for my team, the sport, sponsors, or any other person involved.

positive attitudes will succeed, its a proven fact.

I have to disagree with Darren and Chops you've forgotten the heart of this sport as you have been minipulated into doing and as you were and are intended to, I might add.

If I could understand this I am pretty sure it would piss me off. :shaking:

I am flat out embarrassed by a lot of comments in this thread.

Bart I've based my statement on Public record, Claimed Attendance and claimed sponsorship by UROC. Also on an intimate understanding of what it takes to do what they are doing taken from my own and other's buisiness experience. Everythimg that you need to come to this conclusion is avaible either in public record or directly from UROC you would be amazed what combining public record with public statements with an intimate knowlege of buisines can tell you, you just have to follow the money. You don't have to have someone's finiancals to figure out wether or not they're making money.Also Mark has bragged more than once that he does not work for free,and , given his track record (PUBLIC), I'm inclined to belive him.
You and I have had a good relationship of mutual respect to this point I hope that I havn't damaged that, if I have I'm sorry.I would be more than happy to explain myself to you next time we see each other.
Mac

Superranger: your comment is case and point.

badassjeepguy; you're right negativity will get you no-where and I've probably stuffed my foot in my mouth along with many others in this post.

With That I will withdraw all previous comment and would like to say that UROC is great they've always given everone a fair shake and to my knowlege have never tried to decive anyone or minipulate anyone to further an unknown personal agenda. Ranch and Mark are upstanding citizens and I trust them and their judgement implicitly, I'm sad to see Mark leave the racing community and wish Ranch the best in the comming season.

With that I wil shut my ignorant trap and will no longer debase the pages of pirate's forrums with my ignorant banter.:flipoff2:

I have to disagree with Darren and Chops you've forgotten the heart of this sport as you have been minipulated into doing and as you were and are intended to, I might add.

Care to share any insite about how I've "forgotten the heart of this sport"?

I'd like to know becasue like you I'm only trying to better the sport.:rolleyes:

Care to share any insite about how I've "forgotten the heart of this sport"?

I'd like to know becasue like you I'm only trying to better the sport.:rolleyes:


"insite".... the heart of this sport started w/ a jeep not a blue oval ford! LOL!:flipoff2:

I keep reading that Ranch has done this and done that, The sport has progressed. Some of you make it sound as if Ranch has done this whole thing all by himself(Natalie LOL).
This sport would not exist without the competitors!!!! Sure the potential sponsors don't need to see all the negativity but I pretty sure it's a little late now. I had an anonymous sponsor tell me this week that they had spent close to 6 figures with them and would not go near a Rockcrawling comp now after their experience. rest assured it's not because they read something negative on the Pirate forum. Give some credit where it's due, Ranch does deserve some credit but the competitors deserve some respect also. It's a 2 way street.

Well, this is truly interesting. I've always heard that you shouldn't kick a man when he's down, but hell, his face is that much closer to your foot!

ON RANCH P:
I don't know him personally and have only had dealings w/ him at comps as an organizer. I can say that I've never seen him attempt to handle things outside of his ability. Which isn't saying much, but it's what I've noticed. At least the lil' fawkers tryin'. If all you crazy bastards ran up to me during a comp that I was in charge of trying to piss & moan about how it's being run, I'd probably turn my back on ya too, cause it's a little too late. Pissin' and moanin' is for the winter when the organizers are creating their grand vision for the next season. You know, the one that hopefully gets us on TV, attracts a fan base and lands a little sponsorship $ for our addiction.

ON BIG SARGE:
Sounds like a simple misunderstanding, I think the Big Sarge Rocks! Keep on keepin' on!

ON SHUPEE'S Comments:
I only know Ken from one experience in competition and it wasn't good, and I wasn't a competitor at the time, so it's a moot point. I can say he's a crowd pleaser and a bit of a showboat and that's great for him and the sport. As a person, I think Ken's a pretty good guy, not that I'd let him dork my sister (she's mine!!!!!!!) but a good guy none the less. If he ever did form a competitors union, I'd join only if I got a Shupee T'shirt, a pair of those f*cked up bandana swimin' trunks, and a pair of those patented steel toed sandals he wears (even at 20 below). Hope alls well with the family Ken, get yer house done, pump that ego up to about 90 psi and get back to drivin' soon, cause I'm sure the Girl Scouts Gone Wild are missin' ya already.

ON THE UROC Acquisition:
If Glen hasn't packed up, changed his name, and moved to Guatemala to get away from all the people calling him and telling him what he should do with this new rock crawlin' thingy he bought, I think he's got a shot at making UROC bigger and more importantly better. The man's not a success because he sits around pickin' his nose all day. God knows it ain't workin' fer me!

In closing I'd like to say that every one of us competitors would like to think that we know best individually. But that's not how this sh!t works. We need to go to the organizers and say with one unified voice, "This is what we ALL want." If anyone of you would like to step forward and assume the position of competitor liaison, please post your Home, Work, Fax, and Cell numbers, email addresses, send over a few carrier pigeons, and learn to read smoke signals, cause you're gonna hear more bitchin' about stupid sh!t than Jerry Springer!!!

Peace, Love, & Chicken Grease,
AJ

Shupee, I agree, we competitors deserve a lot for all we've put into the sport, especially those of us that spent the better part of the last 6 years funding our passion with our sweat, blood, and family financial commitment. We miss ya man. You said it yourself though, you can't please all the people all the time.

Mac, we're cool, no problems. It's easy to calculate entry fees, and speculate on sponsor input, but without the expense side of that equation you just can't make an educated guess on revenue. Sorry, it's my MBA mentality coming through. Still buds, right?

I keep reading that Ranch has done this and done that, The sport has progressed. Some of you make it sound as if Ranch has done this whole thing all by himself(Natalie LOL).



Okay, point taken. I definately didn't mean it to sound that way, I just see a lot of complaining, but no real suggestions on how to fix it. And it's aggrivating to me to see so much negativity.

But believe you me, if you guys weren't there, I wouldn't love this damn sport so much! You all took good care of me, and consquently I have a huge crush on every one of you!

Well, this is truly interesting. I've always heard that you shouldn't kick a man when he's down, but hell, his face is that much closer to your foot!

ON RANCH P:
I don't know him personally and have only had dealings w/ him at comps as an organizer. I can say that I've never seen him attempt to handle things outside of his ability. Which isn't saying much, but it's what I've noticed. At least the lil' fawkers tryin'. If all you crazy bastards ran up to me during a comp that I was in charge of trying to piss & moan about how it's being run, I'd probably turn my back on ya too, cause it's a little too late. Pissin' and moanin' is for the winter when the organizers are creating their grand vision for the next season. You know, the one that hopefully gets us on TV, attracts a fan base and lands a little sponsorship $ for our addiction.

ON BIG SARGE:
Sounds like a simple misunderstanding, I think the Big Sarge Rocks! Keep on keepin' on!

ON SHUPEE'S Comments:
I only know Ken from one experience in competition and it wasn't good, and I wasn't a competitor at the time, so it's a moot point. I can say he's a crowd pleaser and a bit of a showboat and that's great for him and the sport. As a person, I think Ken's a pretty good guy, not that I'd let him dork my sister (she's mine!!!!!!!) but a good guy none the less. If he ever did form a competitors union, I'd join only if I got a Shupee T'shirt, a pair of those f*cked up bandana swimin' trunks, and a pair of those patented steel toed sandals he wears (even at 20 below). Hope alls well with the family Ken, get yer house done, pump that ego up to about 90 psi and get back to drivin' soon, cause I'm sure the Girl Scouts Gone Wild are missin' ya already.

ON THE UROC Acquisition:
If Glen hasn't packed up, changed his name, and moved to Guatemala to get away from all the people calling him and telling him what he should do with this new rock crawlin' thingy he bought, I think he's got a shot at making UROC bigger and more importantly better. The man's not a success because he sits around pickin' his nose all day. God knows it ain't workin' fer me!

In closing I'd like to say that every one of us competitors would like to think that we know best individually. But that's not how this sh!t works. We need to go to the organizers and say with one unified voice, "This is what we ALL want." If anyone of you would like to step forward and assume the position of competitor liaison, please post your Home, Work, Fax, and Cell numbers, email addresses, send over a few carrier pigeons, and learn to read smoke signals, cause you're gonna hear more bitchin' about stupid sh!t than Jerry Springer!!!

Peace, Love, & Chicken Grease,
AJ

Best piece of the year !!! Nice job.

All true except Shupee's shorts. Pick up phone and call Ranch if you want something. I spent and hour on the phone with Ranch today and I came away with one very important thing. He cares and he's very open minded to other ideas but he's gonna do what he thinks is right. You can change his mind but not from the Pirate board.

( but he's gonna do what he thinks is right.)
I think that pretty much says it all!!

Pick up phone and call Ranch if you want something.

I have competed as a spotter in 2 UROC events. I built a car this past year and was interested in running UROC events. I called on 4 seperate occasions on topics ranging from rules to series entry. Not once did I ever get a call back. Not once.

All that does in reinforce the only true impression that I have formed regarding UROC. Unless your name is Jordan, Evans or evidently TonyK:flipoff2: you're nothing but filler. I completely respect the achievements of those that have made it in this sport. But if a promoter fails to realize that the new blood is important too, IMHO, he's destined to fall short.

Just .02 from a new guy.

Call me and I'll get you the BAT phone.

I have competed as a spotter in 2 UROC events. I built a car this past year and was interested in running UROC events. I called on 4 seperate occasions on topics ranging from rules to series entry. Not once did I ever get a call back. Not once.

All that does in reinforce the only true impression that I have formed regarding UROC. Unless your name is Jordan, Evans or evidently TonyK:flipoff2: you're nothing but filler. I completely respect the achievements of those that have made it in this sport. But if a promoter fails to realize that the new blood is important too, IMHO, he's destined to fall short.

Just .02 from a new guy.

i'm pretty sure the name Jordan gets you no where w/ UROC!:D

ON BIG SARGE:
Sounds like a simple misunderstanding, I think the Big Sarge Rocks! Keep on keepin' on!


Peace, Love, & Chicken Grease,
AJ

Thanks AJ!

I think Lance could get a boatload of green for this thread!

GROUP HUG!!!!!!

[QUOTE=pure-adrenaline]i'm pretty sure the name Jordan gets you no where w/ UROC!: If Jordan gets you no where try Standage!!