Howdy. I did a search and didn't come up with the exact info I'm looking for. My question:

Does anyone have firsthand knowledge of tire performance of SX vs. Boggers in a strictly rockcrawling environment? No mud, no sand, no street ... rockcrawling.

I currently run 36 SX. Looking to move up in tire size this summer. Most of the guys I run with use the 38.5x14.5 SX. I'm sure there's a reason for this, but I REALLY like the looks and tread depth of the 38.5x11 Bogger.

This will be on a YJ with a D60/14 bolt combo, with the front axle cut about 4 inches or so. Sorry to be long-winded and thanks in advance for any insight from those with personal experience with these tires on a rockcrawling rig.
Dion

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but someone has to tell him....

Any Swamper is better than a Booger :barf:

Boggers are kind of strange in the way that they climb right up some stuff but slip all day long on other stuff.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02armageddon/Dscn0439.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02armageddon/Dscn0448.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02armageddon/Dscn0383.jpg

In all these spots the boggers would not grab. Nearly everyone else had TSL's, SX;s or claws and didn't have problems relating to traction on these obstacles.

boggers on any terrain other then mud = trendy:barf:
Flame suit is now on:flipoff2:

Chris: Thanks for the insight. That's exactly the kind of information I was hoping for. I've been tremendously pleased with my SX in the 36-inch flavor. It's just that everyone I wheel with runs the 38.5 SX and I was a little interested in trying something different.

I love the tall, skinny Bogger, but I guess everyone uses the SX for a reason, eh?
Dion

Never run boggers myself, but I have seen some less than perfect performances by them. I like SXs. I just wish they made some SXs in a slightly bigger size...

In my experience, Boggers tend to slip latterally in places where an SX will just grab and climb.

Sure looks to me like the pics above show WAY too much air in the boggers... think that had anything to do with the traction? :confused:


And to be honest - unless you have near identical vehicle runnig each tire it is awful hard to compare them evenly.... weight, contact patch, air pressure, wheel width, etc, etc. all figure into the equation....

I have owned both Boggers and TSL's and I would NEVER go back to Boggers unless I was running mud.

Fatkid was REAL unhappy with the Boogers at CalRocs, they kept sliding out sideways on him:eek:

Don't know what the end decision on the next tires will be, but the Boogers are gone for sure;)

I will be doing a complete test/writeup on a set of 38 x 14.50 SX's in the next couple weeks......

With my current project I will be going from 35x16 boggers to 42" TSL's, so I guess I can see what the difference is.

Personally I loved my boggers, and it is gonna be real hard to convince myself the TSL's are any better...

Everyone: Thanks again for your input. I'm not in a position to spring for a set of Boggers just to test them, so I need as much real-world experience as possible.

Man, I wish Interco would make a tall, skinny SX. A 39.5 or 40 by 12.50 would be sweet.
Dion

I think the boggers are it for straight line but they suck side to side, they also need a ledge of some kind to grab in rock, if you look at the pics it appeares they are trying to climb basically smooth rock, the sx's would definitly have an advantage there, too bad they don't come in 44's

My understanding is that boogers have a harder rubber compound to keep those paddles from folding over. They tried a soft version and they kept folding over and ripping off. The SX, TSLs, and SSRs all have a softer compound that gras better on rocks.

-John

i have personally run swamper radials, tsl's, and now 38x14.50 sx's. i have run with people whorun boggers quite a bit. alot of the wheeling i do has dirt and mud mixed in with the rock and lots of dirt hills. the boggers do well in these situations. three weeks ago a group of us ran jim and juanitas and abc in clayton and all of us had sx's (2o of us had 38.5's and 2 had 36's) except on guy was running 35 boggers. the trails mentioned are pretty much all rock start to finish and the bogger equipped rig sucked!!!! not the rig but the tires had no bite in the rocks. there were places that he would be in the rocks and not hanging on anything but he would not be going anywhere. imo for rocks boggers suck. if you are talking soft dirt hill climbs or mud the boggers do really well but they are not made for the rocks.

Originally posted by DRM
Sure looks to me like the pics above show WAY too much air in the boggers... think that had anything to do with the traction? :confused:


And to be honest - unless you have near identical vehicle runnig each tire it is awful hard to compare them evenly.... weight, contact patch, air pressure, wheel width, etc, etc. all figure into the equation....

Well, one was light weight, one was a school bus so you got two vehicle types in my example. I know the Zuk was at 5psi, not sure what the school bus was running for air pressure.

While we are on the subject of boogers.... Has anybody had good luck grooving the big lugs. I am considering in on a old set of 35's. i think it makes them look more like a standard mud tire. Thoughts?

If looks and tread are what your after get some Thornbirds. If you want performance where you wheel listen to, and watch, your buddies. Yep, I've run both and when it came time to lay down hard earned money on a new set it's the 38.5 SX's. Damn fine rock tire.

talking about grooving the Boggers - i've done it. grooved each big and intermidate lug twice. it looks great but guess what?
it sucks just the same as before!!

the problem is not with the shape of the tire but with the rubber stiffness. it is one hard rubber, no flexibility at all.

i agree with everybody else - the Bogger is simply no good for rocks. it is the best for mud, dirt, stones and ruts but simply DANGEROUS on slick rock.
BTW - the SXs have very thick sidewalls, so i think that for rockcrawling purposes only, the regular TSLs and surely the SSRs are better.

the Frog
http://www.thefrog.alloffroad.com (http://)

Originally posted by DRM



And to be honest - unless you have near identical vehicle runnig each tire it is awful hard to compare them evenly.... weight, contact patch, air pressure, wheel width, etc, etc. all figure into the equation....

I have run them both on the same rig..........Go with SX's ;)

Originally posted by the frog
talking about grooving the Boggers - i've done it. grooved each big and intermidate lug twice. it looks great but guess what?
it sucks just the same as before!!

the problem is not with the shape of the tire but with the rubber stiffness. it is one hard rubber, no flexibility at all.

i agree with everybody else - the Bogger is simply no good for rocks. it is the best for mud, dirt, stones and ruts but simply DANGEROUS on slick rock.
BTW - the SXs have very thick sidewalls, so i think that for rockcrawling purposes only, the regular TSLs and surely the SSRs are better.

the Frog
http://www.thefrog.alloffroad.com (http://)


yeap your last comment is exactly why i went with tsl's the sx's seemed too stiff, the ssr's well i ripped one too many side walls..... my vote goes to tsl's