Well we finished my dad's XJ here are some pic's. Now it is time to finish mine!

some more

you can see where we had to notch the oil pan to make it clear the upper control arm

That is sick!

What is the wheelbase on that now? It looks a bit longer than stock.
What is the overall height of it as well?

-Kevin

That is sick!

What is the wheelbase on that now? It looks a bit longer than stock.
What is the overall height of it as well?

-Kevin


112" wheelbase

I have not checked the hight, but it should come down a little bit maybe 1-2"

I think that's like 12"-13" longer then stock.

Yeah, I was looking at it and thinking that seems to be a bit too tall. I'm sure it would function like that just fine, but if I were to drive it I would want it about 2-3 inches lower.

Still impressive though.

-Kevin

Looks good. I'd worry about the LCA's a little. Hang pretty low for rock crawling.

Looks good but if you do any serious crawling you're going to bash the shit out of those lower mounts. You might want to build some sliders for those suckers.

Looks Good to me. Get some driveshafts and beat the piss outta it.

it's got more clearence then most the after market kit's you can find.

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I think the mounts are fine, Looks like its double triangulated front and rear..no trackbars I guess? Im interested to see how the air shocks work out, I was looking into that on mine but was worried about weight

pics of the upper shock mounts? front

UglyZJ-if you use 2.5 air shox you should be ok.:)

these are before we were done now there is flanges in the crossmember

front

For in the rocks, which is what pirate is all about that cherokee sucks :flipoff2:

The links hang down low and will hang you up on stuff, and the body height is very Tall though you already dont have much uptravel from your choice in Airshock mounts.

Besides the links and air shock mounts it looks sick and clean:flipoff2:
Id wheel it as is, but is see you having may suspesion clearance issues.

What about steering? Or did I miss it?

Full Hydro with the triangulated 4 link?

Is it final ride height? Or are you going to lower it a bit?

Sweet work none the less.:cool2:

For in the rocks, which is what pirate is all about that Cherokee sucks :flipoff2:

The links hang down low and will hang you up on stuff, and the body height is very Tall though you already dont have much uptravel from your choice in Air shock mounts.

Besides the links and air shock mounts it looks sick and clean:flipoff2:
Id wheel it as is, but is see you having may suspension clearance issues.

Like I said earlier the ride height will come down some.

what are you talking about with the shock mount??

I don't plan on getting it right first try, but I don't think the arms are going to slow him down, if they do we will move them.:)

I like this way better then radius arm style setups that I see. We tested it in the shop and had no clearance issues but the shop is not real life either ,so when I get the steering from station and run it for real I will let you know what happens.:)

112" wheelbase

I have not checked the hight, but it should come down a little bit maybe 1-2"

I think that's like 12"-13" longer then stock.


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ashman

Does your harbor fraight winch work on the rear 4 link ok. I was going to use the same thing on mine.

You mentioned notching the pan but the downpipe looks to be an issue as well?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=214781&d=1131948924

we where going to cut it off and point it forward, but when we tested in the shop it did not hit so we may be ok.

so...in order to change a valve cover gasket...do you have to cut the crossmember for the air shocks???

My suggestion would be to guset those lower link mounts too.

Also...do you have front driveshaft clearance? It may just be the angles but it looks tight?

Brandon

Yeah, seems to me that a couple items were not all that well thought out. For one, the air shocks mount in the engine is in the way if you need to change a head gasket or valve cover gasket, and for two, the way those link mounts are on mounted on the skid plate, they will get beat all to hell....
Scott

Yeah, seems to me that a couple items were not all that well thought out. For one, the air shocks mount in the engine is in the way if you need to change a head gasket or valve cover gasket, and for two, the way those link mounts are on mounted on the skid plate, they will get beat all to hell....
Scott

I think he said he put in flanges for that shock brace after that pic was taken.

Man, I am diggin this rig... cool build for the pops.

What size (travel) shocks are you running?
I'm running a similar rear with Fox 2.5"X16" and Rock Krawler front coils in my XJ.
I'm considering going to front airshox as well but the rear is on the verge of being too loose. Not sure if I want to go airshox up front.
Keep us up to date when you take it out. I'm real curious how air all around will handle.

these are before we were done now there is flanges in the crossmember
Is any body reading this stuff of just looking at the pic's:flipoff2:

so...in order to change a valve cover gasket...do you have to cut the crossmember for the air shocks???

My suggestion would be to guset those lower link mounts too.

Also...do you have front driveshaft clearance? It may just be the angles but it looks tight?

Brandon

you need to read instead of just looking at pic's that was all on page 1:flipoff2:

Every thing is already fully boxed on the link mounts.

The front drive should fit with no prob's.

Not bad... I wanna see pics of it flexed on the trail to see clearance and also what the overall hieght is after it settles..

also what is the measurement from ground to belly ?

I did not want the same size links top and bottom, so that's why we went that way. If the lowers get beat up then I will shorten them up no big deal. but I'm not going to change until it's a problem.

kid4lyf- they are 14" shox all around.

Not bad... I wanna see pics of it flexed on the trail to see clearance and also what the overall hieght is after it settles..

also what is the measurement from ground to belly ?

I wanna see pic's of it flexed on the trail too, as soon as our steering from station comes in we will get it out show you all some pics.

belly should be about 28" but there is room to play with that a little.
I will get the right ride height and let you know the final measurement

I should have set it at ride height before I posted it, but there is no bumper's on it right now. it makes it hard to lift it up tires and all to fill the air shox with no bumper's so I shot 200psi in them with out tires on and fully extended shox and that is were it Set's now.
BUT IT WILL COME DOWN ON THE RIDE HIGHT.

I still think we have better clearance then this stuff.

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I think your link clearances will be fine. My passenger side UCA just rubs the pan at full compression. I let the arm self clearance the pan. :)The driver's side clears the exhaust easily.
http://www.crawltech.com/albums/Four-Link/Axle.sized.jpg
http://www.crawltech.com/albums/Four-Link/Ram.sized.jpg

-Jon

I think it is turning out great so far. Keep us updated with some pics of how it works. Im thinking of doing something similar in belly to try and keep as much clearance as possible.

I finally got some pic's of my dad's XJbuggy in action this was the test run before the rear tube fenders and tail lights where installed.

worked perfect until the D44 let go!!! "Snap"!!!! he already found a king pin HP D60 to be put in this winter:smokin:

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he never touched his control arms out here but he rubbed them a little in Moab:flipoff2:

he turned around after this shot to go over in revearse but when he got to the top the D44 blew the u-joint and took out both inner and outer shafts! he was not even getting on it.

I like the bumper we built so much I thought I would share!!:flipoff2:

I will post some better action shots from Moab tomorrow.

BTW WE DID NOT HAVE A SINGLE CLEARANCE ISSUE ALL YOU HATERS:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

That's just crazy sweet... nice

That's just crazy sweet... nice

worked perfect until the D44 let go!!! "Snap"!!!!


Bad ass rig, I love it... but you ran a D44 and 39.5s :eek: :eek:

Bad ass rig, I love it... but you ran a D44 and 39.5s :eek: :eek:


yeah I know I tried to talk him into the 60 right off but he already had the
D44. He aready has the D60 to put in the front this winter.





Anybody want a semi built HPD44!! PM me I can get a deal on shipping!!!!

alloy or stock shafts???

alloy or stock shafts???
Does it matter when running 39.5 IRoKs?

Does it matter when running 39.5 IRoKs?

stocks shafts. 3 of the 4 shafts are new but still stock.

Does it matter when running 39.5 IRoKs?
i hope so,,,


<----- running d44 with 38.5" michelin xl's

i hope so,,,


<----- running d44 with 38.5" michelin xl's

do you have stock or chrome/grande shalfs?


I am building my D44 to the nuts... Super 44 33spline, full D. soft locker

hoping to run 37 MTRs

with D30 Superd up front... 30 spline and ARB... wish it luck :flipoff2:

All i can say is, wheel it and hope for the best... really depends on how hard u throttle it

i hope so,,,


<----- running d44 with 38.5" michelin xl's
holy shit,whats up with you avatar pic?looks like all kinda pain was involved.

holy shit,whats up with you avatar pic?looks like all kinda pain was involved.

he was trying to do brain surgery on himself :eek:

Looks like it work and he got it all put back together and sowed up :p

How are the airshocks on the XJ? I am thinking about using them on my ZJ

How are the airshocks on the XJ? I am thinking about using them on my ZJ


they work great:smokin: I don't have as much time in the seat as my dad but when I drove it it felt very stable and very smooth. The one thing it needs besides the D60 front:flipoff2: is a winch loop on the front axle to help the front end from unloading, but we will wait and put one on the D60 this winter.:)

hey im thinkin about doin the kind of the same thing myself to my xj but i have been researching and i can't find a good rate lb/in to use for my fox coilover, im thinkin about an 18 in travel on 42 irocs on a 4 link, any advice would be helpful!

hey im thinkin about doin the kind of the same thing myself to my xj but i have been researching and i can't find a good rate lb/in to use for my fox coilover, im thinkin about an 18 in travel on 42 irocs on a 4 link, any advice would be helpful!

I don't know much about coilover rates???? :confused:

only other thing I can think of is stiffen your frame and build a cage to help stiffen up things.

if you need any thing else let me know.:)

Nice looking XJ :smokin: I like how you got the front 4 linked

he was trying to do brain surgery on himself :eek:

Looks like it work and he got it all put back together and sowed up :p


4.5" grinder with a cut off blade.

i was cutting the crossmember outta my cj and the blade bound up and the whole saw came back and hit me in the face.

12 stitches and chipped my skull.

4.5" grinder with a cut off blade.

i was cutting the crossmember outta my cj and the blade bound up and the whole saw came back and hit me in the face.

12 stitches and chipped my skull.

OH DAMN :eek:

I have been working with a 8in cut off lately... a lot too

and that thing can be scarey

I hang on for dear life

I have been getting PM's about my dads XJ So instead of sending pic all over I thought I would throw them on here.:smokin:
so here you go guys.........

this is how we stiffened up the engine bay for hoop mounting.

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pass side

3

top plate

hoop driver

hoop2

cage pics..

cage2

cage3

cage4

cage5

tied in underneath, frame stiffners too...

more stiffners..

stiffy...

stiffy2

more...

homemade cross members front and rear this is the rear (torch bent in a vise baby!!)

more member :p front

more front 2 with trans mount.

battery and fuel cell

Homemade intake (3" exhaust pipe bent and formed)

more intake...

more intake....

one more

hydro res mount..

needs more triangulation :flipoff2:

seriously though

nice build up...i'm a hardcore tj guy but the more i see built xj's i'm thinking i might have to pick one up:grinpimp:

Did you make that air intake tube?

Or can you show me a link to the place you bought it?

and how big of a fuel cell you running back there?

He said he made it with 3 in exhaust tube. Read.

He said he made it with 3 in exhaust tube. Read.

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

i'm a hardcore tj guy :grinpimp:

02 Wrangler sport 5.5 lift, 33s
alot of procomp stuff, BFG Muds,Optima, Genuine Gear, 9000s, Olympic, etc

No your not hardcore.

02 Wrangler sport 5.5 lift, 33s
alot of procomp stuff, BFG Muds,Optima, Genuine Gear, 9000s, Olympic, etc

No your not hardcore.

theyres more than one way to use the word hardcore. :flipoff2:

Very nice xj, i'll be looking for it out at mini moab this summer.

I finally got some pic's of my dad's XJbuggy ...

That's not a buggy.
Too tall & heavy, imo. But it looks fun...

maybe not a xj buggy but an X Juggy:smokin:

still an awsome build. You guys do great work :beer:

maybe not a xj buggy but an X Juggy:smokin:

still an awsome build. You guys do great work :beer:

Thank you Sir we do the best we can for backyard fabbers:smokin:

My dad's jeep is a lot lower now then in this thread.......
I will grab some updated shots this week

I just found these...I will post more later this week.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j240/53willys/dads%20jeep/DSC_0181.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j240/53willys/dads%20jeep/DSC_0194.jpg

yes we get our use out of that stump!!!:laughing:

wow that looks really good. What thickness steel did u make the unibody stiffeners out of? can you get some close ups of how you cleaned up the rear quarter panel? as in covering the gaping holes.

wow that looks really good. What thickness steel did u make the unibody stiffeners out of? can you get some close ups of how you cleaned up the rear quarter panel? as in covering the gaping holes.

I think the stiffeners are made by T&T customs IIRC.....they have really nice lazer cut stiffeners for the XJ...I will get some pics of the close in and post them up...

Hey where in Utah are you? Are you on RME? www.rockymountainextreme.com

Hey where in Utah are you? Are you on RME? www.rockymountainextreme.com
53 willys on RME:)

I think the stiffeners are made by T&T customs IIRC.....they have really nice lazer cut stiffeners for the XJ...I will get some pics of the close in and post them up...

3/16" is what they are.

stiffeners link...
http://www.tntcustoms.com/webv5/xjstiffeners.asp

looks a lot better with a lower stance

This is one of the best lookin XJ's I've seen!

This is one of the best lookin XJ's I've seen!


Thanks it's taken a lot of work....my dads done most of it I just helped where I could with the suspension design:)

It turned out really nice:)

It turned out really nice:)

X2 Definately one of the nicest XJ's I've seen.I don't even want to know how much $$$ was put into that....I mean,It's just a cherokee:flipoff2:
Very nice build.You and your dad have some sick rides.

X2 Definately one of the nicest XJ's I've seen.I don't even want to know how much $$$ was put into that....I mean,It's just a cherokee:flipoff2:
Very nice build.You and your dad have some sick rides.
Thanks
it only cost us the parts to build our rigs since all the labor was done by us:)
We both learned a ton and had a great time building them together:smokin:
now it's time to beat them up:laughing:

Thanks
it only cost us the parts to build our rigs since all the labor was done by us:)
We both learned a ton and had a great time building them together:smokin:
now it's time to beat them up:laughing:

Building is most of the fun right?Helps keep costs down to.I try to build everything myself and with my brother to save a few $
Beating them up in the end is a great payoff:D

I am building my D44 to the nuts... Super 44 33spline, full D. soft locker


Umm thats NOT "to the nuts".. Should have gone 35spline with a ARB in that D44 if you want it to the best you can build..

Do you have any buildup pictures of that bumper?

Do you have any buildup pictures of that bumper?

I could snap some more pics of the brackets if you want. there was not much to it really....the side bars that go by the headlights where the first stinger hoop we made..but we did not like it so we made a new hoop when we did we held up half of the other messed up stinger, and thought hey that looks pretty good!!!so we cut it in half and used it!!!:D

Do you remember the lenghts of the arms in the front and how much it extended the front end?

i have an 88 cherokee that is 3 linked in the rear and i am building new rear arms the same style you have and am wondering if i could get ahold of you and find out some info about how you build yours and found all the right angles and dementions if its not to much trouble would you email me at duffy_7_wadup@hotmail.com so i can get some facts? thanks Jon

Are those just stock Hummer beadlocks? How much backspacing is your dad runnin?

Great looking XJ. I have been thinking of running 39's on my ZJ, but im going to need to raise the tank like you did.

Are those just stock Hummer beadlocks? How much backspacing is your dad runnin?
stock hummers with 1.5" spacers...I think:)

stock hummers with 1.5" spacers...I think:)
Hi Son. They are 2" spacers from Performance Wheel & Tire and they work realy well. Also they are spendy 95.00 each plus shiping. But you get what you pay for!!!!!

Hi Son. They are 2" spacers from Performance Wheel & Tire and they work realy well. Also they are spendy 95.00 each plus shiping. But you get what you pay for!!!!!


sweet!!! now that your here you can answer these other guys questions!!!:D

some of the guys above want you to take some arm measurements and what not....:)
"senior" should be able to answer you guys tech questions on his XJ...I have forgot most the specs...lol

i have an 88 cherokee that is 3 linked in the rear and i am building new rear arms the same style you have and am wondering if i could get ahold of you and find out some info about how you build yours and found all the right angles and dementions if its not to much trouble would you email me at duffy_7_wadup@hotmail.com so i can get some facts? thanks Jon
Hay duffion Rear control arms are UPPERS 42" long center bolt to center bolt. Lowers are 48" center bolt to center bolt. If you need more detailed info Pm me or I"ll post some close up pics tomorrow.

Do you remember the lenghts of the arms in the front and how much it extended the front end?
Hay there gtx 106 Front control arms are Uppers 35" to center bolt. Lowers are 47" to center bolt. It moved front axle aprox' 6" forward. Rear axle moved back aprox' 9". Total wheel base 115" it feels tight and safe onside inclines.

whats your opinion on the OX locker, like it?

whats your opinion on the OX locker, like it?
I myself realy like it. You have to get the tension on the cable right. I havent had any problems with mine. and the best part no air leaks ha ha.

any updates on the XJ? did you get the 60 in?
Haven't seen it out yet but I'm out at LM all the time

I run Clayton long arms with only 4.5" of lift. Do I ever hit the mounts? Sure. All the time, but who cares? I hit the diffs, skids, bumpers,driveshafts and sliders all the time also. Not as big a deal as it allways gets made out to be so as long as they are strong and you inspect them they arn't the issue as some with out them make them out to be.

any updates on the XJ? did you get the 60 in?
Haven't seen it out yet but I'm out at LM all the time
yeah the 60 is in and the Xj is running well...my dad had back surgery so he has been out of the seat for a while...we are going to moab on the day after thanksgiving...he is also building another XJ for his buddy with the same style set-up/suspension...I will get him to post some pics of both xj's soon.:)

yeah the 60 is in and the Xj is running well...my dad had back surgery so he has been out of the seat for a while...we are going to moab on the day after thanksgiving...he is also building another XJ for his buddy with the same style set-up/suspension...I will get him to post some pics of both xj's soon.:)

get those pics up then! :D

get those pics up then! :D

If he even still has it.... last update was 10 months ago!