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gunracer1 03-21-2002, 10:09 AM i was looking at the rules on the prorocks site and i see it is a 14 pt. penalty to use any tool. so i am assuming that you can't have a spotter pull on a strap to help the driver in a off camber/ big climb situation. so i am guessing its all on the driver to make a clean smooth run. can the spotter still stack rocks? just trying to find out what is avalible without the penelties. it just seem to be vague to me. mike badassjeepguy 03-21-2002, 10:18 AM good questions, ill be reviewing the rules here, myself, very soon.... Welby 03-21-2002, 10:28 AM What's the site? Rob, Think you'll have an extra seat or what? :flipoff2: gunracer1 03-21-2002, 10:30 AM www.sportsintherough.com Scout Dude 03-21-2002, 10:33 AM Typically, when they mention the use of "tools", they mean, using a highlift to bridge a gap or something of this nature. I'm not familiar with Pro Rocks, just using the Calrocs format. In Calrocs, you can use a strap all you like... KYODER 03-21-2002, 10:45 AM I have competed in the PRO-ROCKS and The WARN competions. As of last year starting in Las Cruces the spotter cannot touch, or use a strap to aid in the vehicles progress. Not even to help it from rolling. I like it, because my rig weighs 5200 pounds. You can push and pull it all day long and it doesn't make much difference. The strap is a definate advantage to a lighter rig. I think it was a safety thing. gunracer1 03-21-2002, 12:20 PM i knew we had some one here that has run that series. so the spotter can't aid the rig at all? as in if it flops over can he help upright it without penalty? rock stacking ok? just trying to figure this out and save myself some head aches. thanks mike Chris Geiger 03-21-2002, 12:27 PM Originally posted by gunracer1 i knew we had some one here that has run that series. so the spotter can't aid the rig at all? as in if it flops over can he help upright it without penalty? rock stacking ok? just trying to figure this out and save myself some head aches. thanks mike I spotted for Walker in the last ProRock event, and the rules had indeed changed. If you roll on the side you can try to drive out of it but if you or your spotter pushes or pulls the rig at any time your out, game over. If you roll on your roof your out, game over. You can stack rocks, but no touching the rig. gunracer1 03-21-2002, 12:35 PM with the rules like that i would think that it must be some easier lines than arca. would i be right in that thought? thanks mike morpheus 03-21-2002, 12:45 PM definitely seems like it might be safer just a matter of time before a spotter hangs on to a tow rope or strap a little too long and goes flying when a rig doesn't make a climb (or perhaps this has already happened) ... - jack Lance 03-21-2002, 12:50 PM I personally think that allowing the spotter to use a strap is a good thing. It makes it more of a team effort. Im glad RCAA and CalROCS and UROC (everyone but ProRock) allow the use of a strap. I haven't seen anyone get hurt from using a strap, so I think safety is a near moot point. Lance 03-21-2002, 12:53 PM Originally posted by morpheus definitely seems like it might be safer just a matter of time before a spotter hangs on to a tow rope or strap a little too long and goes flying when a rig doesn't make a climb So what? This isn't synchronized swimming. People get fawked up in the NFL/NHL/etc every game. If you wanna stay perfectly safe and sheltered, stay behind the keyboard and don't compete. IMO.... Steve N 03-21-2002, 01:36 PM The lines aren't necessarily easier. Depending on obstacle they may even be the same. Prior to Las Cruces you could push/pull on the vehicle. You could not use a strap, or tool though. After the Warn/ S.I.T.R. event in Montrose, Dallas Stumph got his leg "run over" in ARCA. This is likely one of the reasons for changing the rules. Mark who used to work for Bob Hazel/Sports in the rough summed up the thoughts on the no strap thing for me when I asked him why we couldn't use a strap. He said they felt it should be whatever the vehicle was capable of making was good, and that a strap wasn't like really wheeling. It did make sense kind of but I disagreed and still do. When recreational wheeling I don't use a stop watch, rarely ever use a spotter, and don't stack rocks unless I'm broken or stuck. So I think using a strap is more often safer than not, but his organization his rules. gunracer1 03-21-2002, 01:56 PM i have to admit i was looking forward to using the strap, hell the new rig was being built around the idea. i was going to have my buddie jai drive just because he was 70 lbs lighter than me and i could pull the rig around alot better. but i guess i will still let him drive because i can dead lift about 200 lbs more than him. thanks for the info guys. mike | |