To make a long and painful story short I ordered beadlocks from a company and have waited forever for my wheels. I finally received them and they leaked air badly and I requested another set. I received them they leaked too. So now I have been waiting on wheels for 3 months and I am not going with that company any more. I have also eliminated other choices via other friends bad experiences.

So my question is who can produce beadlocks within a few weeks, get them to you when they say they will and they will be of good quality?

I have a few companies left in mind. I need 15x10 3.5" backspacing and 8 lug. I would prefer them to be of self centering design for obvious reasons. These will be on a full width YJ that is driven daily.

I have eliminated MRT, and Aggro's, think that Eaton's are too thin in the ring department. Champions are a little out of my price range also.


Allied, High-Impact, Trail-Ready, Avalanche, Rockstomper, anyone have any experience with any of these?
Good or bad!

you get what you pay for dude. You want good beadlocks, get champions or trail ready. they both are expensive, but they are good setups.

Lance, that's my thinking exactly but, my previous wheels were plenty expensive but were total junk.

I am looking to spend $200 a wheel. That price is fine but my last wheels were that much and the quality was horrible. I dont have the time to wait another 3 months on wheels that are garbage.

I am not here to start a flame war either. That is why the company name will not be disclosed or any details given. Just looking for a good wheel to get before the jack stands leave a permanent mark in my new axles. :D

I just placed an order for High impacs, should be really sweet!

Originally posted by welndmn
I just placed an order for High impacs, should be really sweet!

Do you have a link?

Avalanche and Trail Ready are both made by Trail Ready. That's what I run and I like'em:D

Avalanche ships their's with button head bolts which are flush with the ring. Trail Ready ships theirs with hex bolts which protrude slightly. I'm not sure of the price differences.

so far rockstomper has the sweetest wheels I have seen. The only thing that they lack is a self centering ring which means you just have to be carefull when lining them up. Most tires have a set of rings that go around the bead that help you line them up. Hope that helps. :smokin:

Rockstompers don't have a centering ring, but the bolts DO center the tire bead on the lock side. Think I'm going to get a set of their locks one of these days.

I knew that Avalanche and Trail Ready were the same but Avalanche was a few bucks more. Go figure.

Rockstomper has a good thing going but I havent heard of anyone running them daily. Kinda curious.

As soon as I get my money back I will more than likely order TR or Avalanche. I just need my stuff ASAP.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
Rockstomper has a good thing going but I havent heard of anyone running them daily. Kinda curious.

Probably the "wrong" person to hear it from, but I'm running 'em daily... or at least to and from work. I don't take the green thing to Denver, too far a drive in a truck that only does 55 on the highway, but that's 44's with a four-cylinder.

I think BillaVista runs them daily. One of these days, Scott....

Originally posted by Scott@Rockstomper


Probably the "wrong" person to hear it from, but I'm running 'em daily... or at least to and from work. I don't take the green thing to Denver, too far a drive in a truck that only does 55 on the highway, but that's 44's with a four-cylinder.


Yeah, not the best source for unbiased info. :flipoff2:


But that is info and I will take it. Thanks.
Do you have your kits in stock or can I order them now?

Originally posted by The Rockslut
Yeah, not the best source for unbiased info. :flipoff2:


I know, that's exactly why I noted that I'm the "wrong" source for that info.

Do you have your kits in stock or can I order them now?

Normally, yes, in 15" sizes, we keep 'em in stock. Right now, we're out of 15" standard outer rings, but we have a significant stack of 15" mud rings (they're not even on the website yet) in stock, and plenty of inners. The mud rings are a reduced-ID outer ring--the inner hole is 7.5" instead of 12" like our standard outers. More standard outers are on the way, should be here early next week. If you were to call and order a set, they'd probably ship out on Tuesday, unless you wanted the mud rings, in which case, they'd ship (probably) tomorrow, as UPS is only about 20 minutes from picking up today.

We do not keep wheels in stock on a regular basis; the custom wheels you mentioned, most likely put us out of the "good spot" because of timeframe.

I love my Trailready's.
Period.
Ride reasonably on unbalanced 38.5" sx's..

There is my vote.
Although I do like the Rockstomper kits...

My opinion on beadlocks:

1) you want quality...it's Champion or Trail Ready

2) You want cheap, strong, and effective...it's Rockstomper.

All the rest are either unsuitable for off-road abuse, or try to compromise between cheap /effective and quality, and fail to do so very well (IMHO)

Aggro's not included - don't know enough about them.

The Rockstomper's COULD be a top quality product, but design changes are required, as well as a source of decent quality nutcerts (the current ones are pretty awful)

You can read my very detailed article on Rockstompers on my site - if it bandwidths out - blame Lance - he's supposed to update the POR mirror of it, but he's been too darn busy collecting trophys lately :flipoff2:

Just to clear up the Avalanche - Trail ready question... Avalanche wheels are built by TR, however the TR labeled wheels come with 5/16 hex bolts. The Avalanche series wheel is only distributed through Avalanche or one of our dealers. The Avalanche wheels come with 3/8 button stainless bolts. The TR's are $199.00, the AE's are $202.00. Thanks for your interest, Clifton :jeep:

hey scott i was wondering if yah had any pics of the mud beadlocks and are the prices the same?

So this then kinda answers my questions on getting a set of Eaton Bead locks.
:eek:

oh yeah i forgot to mention, summit racing is now selling beadlocks, i dont know anything about them but i know anything i ever order from them i get within 2 days. i cant find them on there site but they are in my truckstyle catalog. they are made by bart and come in chrome and black. the black has a chrome ring i believe, unless its aluminum but i dont think so

I ordered 15x10, 3.5" BS, 8-lug,32 bolt

Shipped 2 weeks from order

http://www.high-impact.net/

$175 a piece

Originally posted by BRUISER-42
Just to clear up the Avalanche - Trail ready question... Avalanche wheels are built by TR, however the TR labeled wheels come with 5/16 hex bolts. The Avalanche series wheel is only distributed through Avalanche or one of our dealers. The Avalanche wheels come with 3/8 button stainless bolts. The TR's are $199.00, the AE's are $202.00. Thanks for your interest, Clifton :jeep:

Avalanche is getting my money...infact I already ordered them once but had to cancel because of tire problems...so my next chunck of change is going to these guys:D:D:D

I GOT MINE FROM Scott @ ROCKSTOMPER !! :D

A whole set of 16.5" rings with button head bolts. YuMMY! but wait, there's more...

I got mine shipped to my door in 3 days for only $430 including the shipping! :p

Got mine today... woo hooooo.. Can't wait till Sunday.....

All I can say is, Clifton and Curt are some super nice guys !!!!!!!
Hope y'all have a blast in Moab.

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Ricky...seeya...

Originally posted by yjtj
hey scott i was wondering if yah had any pics of the mud beadlocks and are the prices the same?

http://www.rockstomper.com/images/products/wheels/mudrings01.jpg

Regular inner lockring visible to the left, mudring to the right. Nothing real exciting. This does absolutely eliminate coning of the rings, too (one of Bill's complaints), but it adds five pounds *per wheel* on top of the *fifteen* that the regular locks add. I don't have any installed pics yet (I haven't even tried 'em on my own truck yet--they were a custom order thing that we ended up with way too many of).

Prices are close... I haven't decided yet, as the mud rings are minimally more expensive than the regular ones... if anything, they'll probably be about $3 a wheel more, but I haven't decided yet, so at least for now, same price.

Bill--the nutserts... regular pliers, not vise grips, make those much easier... probably as much my fault as anything, as the instructions are pretty much nonexistent. You should see the rivet gun that the manufacturer says to use... talk about a pain in the butt. Also, you should see some of the other stuff we tried before we found these--there were probably eight or ten different designs that were absolutely unusable. There are one or two that are easier to put in... but they had issues with falling out whenever the bolts were removed. Yes, these are a pain, but they're (IMHO) the best option available for strength and maintainability.

Another pic for comparison.

http://www.rockstomper.com/images/products/wheels/mudrings02.jpg

Upper shelf, left to right: 15" regular outers, 15" inners, 15" mudring outers. Next shelf down is 16", no mudrings, just inners and outers.

Personally, I think the mudrings are gonna trap more crud inside the wheel than they'll keep out. I'm gonna put 'em on my own truck to see what they do, so we'll see. The smaller hole definitely restricts access to the lugnuts and valves. I'm not sure I like that idea.

Originally posted by yjtj
oh yeah i forgot to mention, summit racing is now selling beadlocks, i dont know anything about them but i know anything i ever order from them i get within 2 days. i cant find them on there site but they are in my truckstyle catalog. they are made by bart and come in chrome and black. the black has a chrome ring i believe, unless its aluminum but i dont think so

Summit has had Bart beadlocks for years--supposedly, the Barts are the only ones on the market (at all!) with a self-centering inner *and* outer, as Summit puts it, "to make sure you center the tire on the lock *and* the lock ring on the tire" or something to that effect. I thought about getting the Barts a long time ago, back when they were the only DIY beadlock in existence, but then I found out that I'd have to cut up my wheels (and at the time, I couldn't do that) so I held off.

As for rockcrawler type beadlocks, they don't have any quite like that. The Barts are a lightweight dragrace beadlock; the only other thing they've got (that I've seen listed) is the new US Wheel fakelocks. Nice looking wheels, but they're not beadlocks.

Incidentally, the more I think about it, the more I like the proliferation of fakelocks... if the cops are so confused about what is or isn't a beadlock, maybe they'll give up on trying to enforce the nonexistent beadlocks-aren't-street-legal law.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
Lance, that's my thinking exactly but, my previous wheels were plenty expensive but were total junk.

I am not here to start a flame war either. That is why the company name will not be disclosed or any details given

Personally I think you should name the company so no one else gets screwed. It may save a fellow wheeler some time & money. Just my .02 worth.

Originally posted by Blue 84


Personally I think you should name the company so no one else gets screwed. It may save a fellow wheeler some time & money. Just my .02 worth.


I think the company should be named also, since it is a personal experience with 1st hand knowledge. It is one thing to avoid heresay, so I will not mention the company, but i think its perfectly reasonable for Matt to give a first hand account with his experience with a company, regaurdless if it hurts someones feelings.
Often a little honest critisism is what is needed to, help a company overcome problems and get on the way to solving problems.
Spill it Matt!

ive been running trail ready's for about a year..... they work perfect, and have taken a good beating...


btw yeaahhh what company?

the bart beadlocks i seen in the summit truckstyle catalog were full bart rims with bart beadlocks already installed, not a diy kit.

Got mine from TR direct...16.5 x 10 and $215ea

Well, I have decided to wait on disclosing the name of the establishment until I have returned my wheels and received my full refund. I do not want to start a flame on this guy because he is very nice and produces a great product but the quality is horrible.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
Lance, that's my thinking exactly but, my previous wheels were plenty expensive but were total junk.

I am looking to spend $200 a wheel. That price is fine but my last wheels were that much and the quality was horrible. I dont have the time to wait another 3 months on wheels that are garbage.

I am not here to start a flame war either. That is why the company name will not be disclosed or any details given. Just looking for a good wheel to get before the jack stands leave a permanent mark in my new axles. :D


Why don't you order your wheels, and then have someone install beadlocks locally. 125$ installed with heavy duty outer rings. pm me

i ordered my rockstomper DIY kit and recieved it two days later. i have not welded them on yet but am very happy with the quality of the kit. i need to get the rims back from who i loaned them to for a few days two months ago....

Nothing of real value to add to the central question in this thread, but I would like to say that I appreciate Scott Rockstomper's honesty and forthrightness about his own products.
Dion

Scott, what was the customers reasioning behind "mud rings"?

I have more experience than anyone should ever have with muddy trails... and the only thing I kept thinking was that those would make one heckuva mud scoop.

Be kinda cool on rocks if you were running skinny wheels and something with a really long hub, where you had to worry about rocks hittin' the lockouts or something, I suppose.

I am not totally against the Rockstomper idea. I can order regular wheels and his kit and weld them myself no problem but I just wanted to gather a bunch of opionons and experiences for myself and anyone else that is looking to get beadlocks.

scott sells whole wheels already done doesnt he?

Originally posted by yjtj
scott sells whole wheels already done doesnt he?

Yes he does ;)

Originally posted by Lance
you get what you pay for dude. You want good beadlocks, get champions or trail ready. they both are expensive, but they are good setups.

Another vote for Champions!

And a possible solution. I had 15x10 Bart beadlocks that I was not totally satisfied with. I also had a set of old 15x9 aluminum wheels with serious rock rash on the bead lips. I took them down to Champion Wheel in Fresno to have beadlocks added. I was very pleased to find out that they have a cash and carry price of $100.00/wheel :eek: So, for $400.00 (plus my old wheels) I had a complete set of Champions. They weight about 15# less than the Barts I had before.

If you have some old aluminums- great! But you might be able to pick some up off the board for cheap and still keep within your $200.00 per wheel price range. Just my .02

Good luck!

i can say with all the convidence that if you need a good ramming in the corn hole then call stockton. not only did they take me 7 months to get my custom rims but they were not they way i ordered them when they did finally get here. i would cross stockton off your list of possible companys to do business with. THEY SUCK

just a note..
I have been VERY carefull torquing my champion beadlocks and they leak like crazy. odd.. they dont leak on swampers with the thicker beads, but on BFG's they leak... point is... dont think all your probl;ems will go away if you toss enough $$$ at them..
one other point,,
I have used about every product scot@rockstomper makes including a steering setup that survived a really good roll. I have had nothing but really good experiences with him. one other thing.. he doesnt know who I am and I'm not his "pal" saying this.

Originally posted by camo
i can say with all the convidence that if you need a good ramming in the corn hole then call stockton. not only did they take me 7 months to get my custom rims but they were not they way i ordered them when they did finally get here. i would cross stockton off your list of possible companys to do business with. THEY SUCK

Honeslty, i complete forgot about stockton wheel just because of the horror stories that I have heard. My buddy got some beadlocks from them. NO WAY!

(one of Bill's complaints),

Call it an observation more than a complaint. My initial reaction was based on "theory". Now I have some experience, it really doesn't seem to be an issue, other than in my mind. But I still calls 'em as I sees 'em!


I can see what you're saying about the nutcerts and practicality. The only alternatives i can think of would not be at all practical in terms of production / cost. (i.e. tapped holes or some kind of weld-nut).

Again...just providing my 2 cents, comletely impartial.

I'll say it again - for low cost strength and functionality - can;t beat the Rockstompers...just don;t expect a show car product (not their intended niche)

Bill, sorry, I didn't mean to say that it was a bad thing to be calling it as you see it; I appreciate that.

Along similar lines, we did consider tapping the holes directly, as well as preinstalling the nutserts, welded-on nuts, and several other types of nutserts--the ones we're using, are (again, granted) a little tougher to install than, say, a simple tapped ring, or a preinstalled nutsert. The preinstall option is one we've kicked around repeatedly, and ended up rejecting because of weld splatter boogering up the threads. The other push towards nutserts rather than a preinstalled either nut, or threads (tapped), had more to do with future maintainance than anything--since you can remove these if you need to, if one of 'em ever gets crossthreaded, has a bolt broken off in it, or similar, you can remove and replace it. Again, probably not a common thing, but I'd be pretty peeved if I had to cut up a wheel to fix a fubar'd nut.

***From Dr Evil***
> Scott, what was the customers reasioning behind "mud rings"?

He likes the looks, I think.

> I have more experience than anyone should ever have with
> muddy trails... and the only thing I kept thinking was that those
> would make one heckuva mud scoop.

I agree.
The one flip side to this that I can see, is that they'd hold in a foam mud plug (ask a circletrack shop if you've never heard of a mud plug) much better than a typical beadlock. But who runs foam mud plugs on a 4x?

> Be kinda cool on rocks if you were running skinny wheels and
> something with a really long hub, where you had to worry
> about rocks hittin' the lockouts or something, I suppose.

I'm gonna try 'em on my own truck (the green one) since it doesn't see much mud, and see how they do in the rocks. I'm envisioning (hoping) them deflecting rocks that might otherwise lodge inside the wheel, thereby allowing me to keep driving instead of impaling wheels on rocks. Realistically, that doesn't happen often enough to where I'm real worried about it, so for me, it (kinda) ultimately comes down to looks too. I can put a Rockstomper sticker on the mudring outers; I can't fit one on the standard outers. How's that for lame? :) It's the company pimp rig right now, though, so that kind of advertising is probably a good thing.

I just mounted a set of 38.5 sx's on Champion beadlocks today. The Champions were given to me by my brother because he wants a different size. My question is for the guys running beadlocks with the button head bolts. Have you had any trouble with the hole for the allen wrench being rubbed over so you couldn't get a wrench on it? Any trouble with the stainless bolts galling to where they won't come back off?

Bill, sorry, I didn't mean to say that it was a bad thing to be calling it as you see it; I appreciate that.

It's all good :D I think we're on the same page...I just wanted to make sure people knew I wasn't so much complaining as observing, coz I do think they are a useful product and have a real niche.

Experience counts too - now that I've done a few...I could do a whole set without any loss I imagine.

Listen, If you want to take part or parts of my article for making an "instructions" page for your own site, or even as a mailer....that's cool with me, just give me a credit line somewhere.

Something like "Thanks to the awesome tech wizard master Billavista for the photos" would prob. do nicely :flipoff2:

rockstompers diy kit w/the recessed bolts is on my must have list.
my .02

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I am really happy with my Eaton's. From what I understand they are Eaton wheels with Bart Beadlocks. I have run 39.5 Boggers on them for 2 years and my rig the weighs over 6000 Lbs. Those wheels have had intimate contact with very larger pieces of granite and even taken a real good hit at about 20MPH on a 18" boulder. They don't leak, I haven't had to replace any rings, and haven't broken any bolts either. They take my abuse so well, that the two buddies I wheel with both have them. In my opinion, you can't beat the quality and durability for the price.

Originally posted by CAPT.THROTTLE
I am really happy with my Eaton's. From what I understand they are Eaton wheels with Bart Beadlocks. I have run 39.5 Boggers on them for 2 years and my rig the weighs over 6000 Lbs. Those wheels have had intimate contact with very larger pieces of granite and even taken a real good hit at about 20MPH on a 18" boulder. They don't leak, I haven't had to replace any rings, and haven't broken any bolts either. They take my abuse so well, that the two buddies I wheel with both have them. In my opinion, you can't beat the quality and durability for the price.

Well then you would love a set of Beadlocks, upgraded from paper thin outer rings. When I ran Barts, and King Racing beadlocks, I used to regularly pop the heads off of the grade 8 ring bolts, from the air up air down cycleing. The ring also resembeled, a round roller coaster with up and down shape, as it dipped at the bolts. I had the bolts on the Barts popping off like opening a zipper while I was flat towing my Jeep to Oregon a few years ago, and it casued a blow out. I wouldnt give away a set of Barts or Kings to any freind I know, if they do any driving on the street. By the way, Law Suits for sudden tire deflation, is why 4 WPW had to quit selling Beadlocks.

i still wanna know the company the caused this thread in the first place. sometimes the truth can hurt but can also be construed as positive feedback for some process improvement in the way of production :eek: ..... wow that sounded like my work voice...cant have that, it is saturday morning and i have to go wheel now :D

I bought a set of Eatons too and for me they work great. Nat. Tire and Wheel got them built real quick too. Sure, I'd love a set of champions but for the price, Eatons will do the job.

hey anyone coming down with some rockstompers 5 5.5 pattern
kits or wheels for 2XTRM4U TJ
he is here and needs some

wheels or just the kit

thanks...

call me at 435-259-6034 if you get here or are here and have some??

also how long would it take to ship em here rockstomper dude??

So have you tried to work this out with the guy yet or did you come here first?

Originally posted by Paul Gagnon
So have you tried to work this out with the guy yet or did you come here first?

you talking to me??

YES we need beadlocks - if no responce by tommorow he is ordering god knows what!!

so I am trying to get him to get the goods

anyone??

Cagnon you coming down or something?

Originally posted by Moab Austin
hey anyone coming down with some rockstompers 5 5.5 pattern
kits or wheels for 2XTRM4U TJ
he is here and needs some

wheels or just the kit

thanks...

call me at 435-259-6034 if you get here or are here and have some??

also how long would it take to ship em here rockstomper dude??

What the hell are you trying to ask?

Support the sport.. Donate your beadlocks to a needy wheeler!
:flipoff2:

Hay rockslut, What size tire? :flipoff2: DOH

I by no means think that Bart wheels are the best, but I do have a set of 15x10 Barts (beadlocked) and I like them just fine. I really don't know which brand are the best, but I know alot of my freinds run Champions, and they seem to be very high quality and reasonably priced. I got my Barts really cheap last year because of a problem I had through the dealer. (less than $100 each)

Hey Jeff, you said King wheels were junk, I also had a problem with them in the past. It's not that they were junk, but they only make their wheels for Sprint cars, so the inner bead is to narrow for a thick bias ply type tire to fit in between that and the outer ring.

So I could'nt even use mine, had to send them back and order the Barts.

Jeff

Originally posted by toy283


What the hell are you trying to ask?

I am trying to ask if anyone is coming down here (Moab UT) that has, sells, beadlocks and they can bring some???

anyone know anyone??

Originally posted by dog walker
I by no means think that Bart wheels are the best, but I do have a set of 15x10 Barts (beadlocked) and I like them just fine. I really don't know which brand are the best, but I know alot of my freinds run Champions, and they seem to be very high quality and reasonably priced. I got my Barts really cheap last year because of a problem I had through the dealer. (less than $100 each)

Hey Jeff, you said King wheels were junk, I also had a problem with them in the past. It's not that they were junk, but they only make their wheels for Sprint cars, so the inner bead is to narrow for a thick bias ply type tire to fit in between that and the outer ring.

So I could'nt even use mine, had to send them back and order the Barts.

Jeff


I think thats the problem with both King and Barts, is that they were born from race car equirements.
Rex and the other guys at King were the most helpfull guys you could ever ask to work with. They gave me several sets of wheels and beads, so that I could try to work out some problems with them. But in the end, they just did not work, and were down right unsafe on the highway. They also said they did not have the shop cappabilities to manufacture a thicker ring. This was about 3 years ago.
I would not call their product junk, but I would say they are very inapropriate for off road requirements.

Originally posted by Moab Austin
you talking to me??

No, I was asking The Rockslut if he has told the as yet unnamed guy (even though some of us know exactly who he is talking about) that he has had a problem with the beadlocks or did he just come straight to the message board without trying to work it out with him first.

Just curious is all.

Originally posted by Paul Gagnon


No, I was asking The Rockslut if he has told the as yet unnamed guy (even though some of us know exactly who he is talking about) that he has had a problem with the beadlocks or did he just come straight to the message board without trying to work it out with him first.

Just curious is all.

First off, yes i have sent several E-mails to the company at questions with no reply before posting here. I have had no response to the e-mails. I decided to wait on calling due to the fact that I was :mad3: :mad: and did not want to be rude on the phone and start a drama situation.

I will be calling today to arrange the return of my wheels and will update everyone as to the results of this situation. I dont forsee any problems with the return of my wheels.

Originally posted by Moab Austin
hey anyone coming down with some rockstompers 5 5.5 pattern
kits or wheels for 2XTRM4U TJ
he is here and needs some

wheels or just the kit

thanks...

call me at 435-259-6034 if you get here or are here and have some??

also how long would it take to ship em here rockstomper dude??

I can bring kits with me, but I won't be in Moab till later this week (Thursday). I dunno if I've got time to put together wheels to bring along. Takes about 2 days to ship to Utah. I only have mud ring 15" outers in stock right now, but I should have normal outers in stock by midweek.

i have 32 bolt allied wheels 15X10 8lug and couldn't be happier with them. I have had some crap in the past that were not true to begin with and only got worse with trail use. and the best part is $165 a piece to my door!

Originally posted by swamper502
i have 32 bolt allied wheels 15X10 8lug and couldn't be happier with them. I have had some crap in the past that were not true to begin with and only got worse with trail use. and the best part is $165 a piece to my door!


A buddy of mine is currently waiting on his Allied wheels to show up also. If I like them they are definetly another possibility.

In light of the discussion, and from what I've seen on some other brands of beadlocks... I've got a question. More of a market survey, I guess.

If we were to offer a "beadlock wheel INconvenience option" where you save, say, $10 a wheel, and get no nutserts, but rather, lotsa washers, and loose Nylocks, and instead of an inner and an outer ring, you got two outers (one welds to the wheel, then the other bolts to it) so that you have to use two wrenches to put the things together, but you don't have to pop in nutserts... would that be something y'all would be interested in?

As always, if you'd be interested, be honest, I'm not going to demand that you buy just 'cause you think it's a good idea for those on a budget.

I think that would be more trouble than it would be worth.But I dunno maybe it would be a good option. How would I get replacement nutcerts for your locks? If somehow I would screw a couple up could I just buy some more from you?I like the idea of your design and I'm gonna be gettin me a set soon. My dads gettin a set and havin me weld them up for him so I''' be gettin some good practice for mine:D Later:smokin:

Scott,

I would be interested in that for sure. That is how the Aggro beadlocks are and that to me is actually better. Not faster to assemble but better. If you break a bolt it just falls out and thats it. Replace it with a new one in seconds.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
Scott,

I would be interested in that for sure. That is how the Aggro beadlocks are and that to me is actually better. Not faster to assemble but better. If you break a bolt it just falls out and thats it. Replace it with a new one in seconds.


Agreed,
They are just as quick to assemble also, because I can take the impact wrench to them with no fear of cross threading a insert. They have lock washers, so you start em with you fingers and blow and go, with the impact wrench. Then torque em down at the end:rolleyes: (yeah right, where did I put that torque wrench).

Originally posted by H8monday



Agreed,
They are just as quick to assemble also, because I can take the impact wrench to them with no fear of cross threading a insert. They have lock washers, so you start em with you fingers and blow and go, with the impact wrench. Then torque em down at the end:rolleyes: (yeah right, where did I put that torque wrench).

H8 I am suprised you even know how to spell torque wrench let alone own or God forbid use one! :flipoff2: :D

Originally posted by The Rockslut


H8 I am suprised you even know how to spell torque wrench let alone own or God forbid use one! :flipoff2: :D


They make good hammers, in a pinch:flipoff2:

If we were to offer a "beadlock wheel INconvenience option" where you save

That actually sound like a "convenience" option to me. Break a bolt, cross thread, fawk up the head, whatever, just head down to the hardware store (or your garage) and get a new bolt/nut/lockwasher. Seems easier to me than calling someone and ordering some odd number of nutserts (I don't know any hardware stores by me that sell nutserts)

I think you might be onto something Scott.:)

'K, sounds fair. Consider it done; if you want no nutserts, just Nylocks instead, just say so, and save $10 a kit (per wheel). I'll update the website shortly. Be sure to tell whoever you get on the phone if you're ordering them this way, that that's what you want, or you'll get the nutsert style instead.

Incidentally, we use flat washers (not lock washers) but we *always* use Nylock nuts.

Website's updated... I'll make sure to make a note of it on our stuff here, so the standard product is Nylocks, and the premium is nutserts. And I cut the beadlock prices by $10 a wheel across the board to reflect the cost savings.

Just wondering if anyone else used silicone on the inside of their wheels to help seal the inner ring. I had to do that with mine because they leaked, and I was out of time. Two years now, and still no leaks, knock on wood. A company in Denver built mine. I don’t remember the name though.

Originally posted by rockedtj
Just wondering if anyone else used silicone on the inside of their wheels to help seal the inner ring. I had to do that with mine because they leaked, and I was out of time. Two years now, and still no leaks, knock on wood. A company in Denver built mine. I don’t remember the name though.

Siliconing the tire on is pretty common; either the tire to the wheel, or around the weld itself because of a little pinhole leak. Tires often don't seal well to the inner lock ring because of the ribbing on the inside of the bead--they're not designed to seal on that surface, and the beadlock forces them to seal (or leak) on that surface.

In Denver, two years ago, I'm guessing True Design Wheel would've been the only ones here.

Yeah, that's were it was leaking. Unfortunatly, I had already mounted all five tires before I realized the problem, all five leaked. Oh well, learned a good lesson :)

Scott,
The TR beadlocks use the anti slip nuts on their beadlocks. They look like a flanged nut with ribs. Very easy to install and I have not had any problems with them..

Just another idea.

Originally posted by Jason M
Scott,
The TR beadlocks use the anti slip nuts on their beadlocks. They look like a flanged nut with ribs. Very easy to install and I have not had any problems with them..


Yup, seen the flanged nuts. Not a bad idea, but if I'm gonna use conventional style nuts, I'd rather use Nylocks than a surface-locking nut. Mostly just me, I guess... the Nylocks offer much better vibration resistance than pretty much anything else out there (except maybe crimplock nuts, but those can booger up the bolt).

Hey Rockslut it will be a month on Monday since Ive heard from him about my wheels. If I dont here from him before then Im going to get my money back also, my wheels are sitting at a friends shop in Lynnwood for him to pick up if it comes to that.

Well I sell the Allied Rock A Thong wheels and will be running them myself, however i was contemplating making my own. There seems to be alot of companies doing this, so i will most likley spend my $$ developing products that are not in the market right now. I mean why reinvent the wheel so to speak if someone else is making it for a reasonable price.

Now Scott here is an idea. I saw you said you decided against the welded nuts because spatter might bogger up the threads right. My suggestion is to TIG weld the nuts on the back side and wolla no spatter problems. The other suggestion is to use Locktight as an extra safty measure to the lock nut. I would also use stover style locknuts rather than nylocks.

Happy trails
The Fleckster

This is to all the people with TR or Avalanche beadlocks.

Have you had any problem mounting the tire? Does the inner bead just fall over the beadlock or does it take some bars to make it happen????

As this thread draws out, i was wondering what your goal was when you started it?
I mean you did not list the company you were having problems with, so other people might of bought the same product and are now stuck right where you are, yet to decided to tell us about it the problems anyway?
(just cought me in a bad mood today)

Originally posted by welndmn
As this thread draws out, i was wondering what your goal was when you started it?
I mean you did not list the company you were having problems with, so other people might of bought the same product and are now stuck right where you are, yet to decided to tell us about it the problems anyway?
(just cought me in a bad mood today)


Well it doesnt much matter what the name of the company is because I highly doubt that they will even be building beadlocks anymore. I have talked with the owner and he says it is just too much drama.

I just want some info on who has what beadlocks and how good they were. I am looking at TR or Allied right now but I am curious if the tire goes onto the wheel easliy with the TR design. I have seen the Allied and they work fine but I like the design of the TR better.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
This is to all the people with TR or Avalanche beadlocks.

Have you had any problem mounting the tire? Does the inner bead just fall over the beadlock or does it take some bars to make it happen????

It is a fairly tight fit. I used some fender washers with bolts through the rim holes to get it to center properly. After the tire is on the inner beadlock portion it is easy to get the outer beadlock on.
I feel that a bit of a tight fit will make it less prone to leak and it should center better. I am also runnign swampers which are supposed to have a thicker bead. So a BFG might fit on there easily.


I guess I should have taken pictures of the mounting procedure.

Like that was going to happen I was too excited to wait for anything to mount them!!!

Okay so here is a question, how many of you running "regular" beadlocks have ever broke a bead off on the INSIDE of the tire?

I have never seen a hummer rim all up close and disassembled but correct me if i am wrong does it not lock both the inside and the outside of the tire to the rim? If thats the case i guess i may not run the allied but some Hummer rims with new centers. BTW nice article about Hummer centers and all in the newest 4x4 rag.

Fleckster

Hummer rims do lock inside and out with magnesium blocks. The offset is the killer for most rigs. If you recenter, you might be onto something, but I'd rather run a 15" rim anyway...

Austin.. Thanks ! Scott...Thanks too ! :D I had Rock Equipment Company overnite me a set of the weld in ones...worked great ! Was having problems with 16X35X15 Boggers coming off the bead at 5 lbs presure. TJ,s light weight and Boggers stiff sidewalls made Austin an I reseat a few beads !:mad3: Big THANKS to Joe West 4X4 of Moab, for fixxin me up ! Had LOTS of fun and carnage. Escalator did most my body rearanging, and Bolder Alley took out my front axle. But hey it was GREAT !:D We did, Rusty Nail, Pritchet Canyon, Golden Spike, Poison Spider Meassa, Lions Back, Gold Bar, Dump Bump, Escalator, Hell,s Revenge, and Bolder Alley. Will be posting pics soon.

:jeep: __(OIIIIIIO)__rOkOn:usa:

Okay so here is a question, how many of you running "regular" beadlocks have ever broke a bead off on the INSIDE of the tire?

It is possible, but quite unlikely, that you could position your rig in such a way as to put enough pressure on the inside bead to unseat it.

Originally posted by Tankota
It is possible, but quite unlikely, that you could position your rig in such a way as to put enough pressure on the inside bead to unseat it.

IF you ever have an issue with losing the inner bead you can lay in a good bead of weld to act as a back-up beadlock. There are quite a few guys who have done it and haven't had a problem since. I started with 16.5"x7" steels and added the Rockstomper DIY buttonhead beadlock kits. IF I ever have a problem, which I highly doubt, I will add the welded bead and noth think twice about it. Cheap easy fix if you ask me, but thats my .02! :smokin: :D

Well if you know someone who is waiting on these tell them to call about them.

Apparently Allied moved their factory to a different facility. The guy in charge of the beadlock line was off at EJS and the line was not reassembled and brought into service after the move.

My beadlocks (15x10 8-lug), which were originally scheduled to ship 3/29, were not produced on time due to this crap:mad3:

Basically I was told it will be another 2 weeks or so, BEST CASE:mad3:

The details were a little sketchy but it just doesn't seem very professional. They wouldn't let their customers know about this w/o inquiry first. They should have at least emailed me about the delay. Also, I feel that we shouldn't get dicked like this when we pay $150/wheel. That's a lot of cash to me:mad: .

Originally posted by bigdude
Well if you know someone who is waiting on these tell them to call about them.

Apparently Allied moved their factory to a different facility. The guy in charge of the beadlock line was off at EJS and the line was not reassembled and brought into service after the move.

My beadlocks (15x10 8-lug), which were originally scheduled to ship 3/29, were not produced on time due to this crap:mad3:

Basically I was told it will be another 2 weeks or so, BEST CASE:mad3:

The details were a little sketchy but it just doesn't seem very professional. They wouldn't let their customers know about this w/o inquiry first. They should have at least emailed me about the delay. Also, I feel that we shouldn't get dicked like this when we pay $150/wheel. That's a lot of cash to me:mad: .


Yeah, I called last week to check on mine and was told the same story "Greg's in Moab....moving warehouse...etc" However, my wheels actually shipped out a couple days before and the arrived the next day. They are nice quality...and $150/each for a beadlock is a deal. With the scarcity of good beadlock mfg's, and the surge in more built-up vehicles that require beadlocks, it seems that everyone is behind on their orders; not just Allied. Just be patient....it's worth the wait.

, it seems that everyone is behind on their orders; not just Allied. Just be patient....it's worth the wait.

I understand demand and patience.

However, my main complaint lies with the lack of communication to the customer. When we are paying that kind of money for a product we deserve top notch communication. I believe that when I ordered I should've been told up front that the manufacturer was moving their operation and delays were possible. I wasn't:mad3: . I also believe that when I am given an exact date for shipment, it should be met. If there is a doubt or a change for any reason about that specified date, then I should be notified. I wasn't:mad3: I also feel like the guy in charge is in retail, thus he has a responsibilty to his customers. If he is going to be gone on vacation he needs to make sure that his business is taken care of properly while he is gone. If it is not, for any reason, then he should notify his customers as to the problem he is experiencing. Thus we will be aware of how our orders are affected.

I know for a fact that they got my email address when I ordered (along with everyone elses probably). That enabled them to send me a mass mailing about other products on sale, but they weren't able to type an email about their situation and send it to everyone:mad3: :question:

I understand a couple hundred phone calls about order status may be ridiculous, but a mass email about the manufacturers production/delays shouldn't be too hard.

Well I finally narrowed my choices down to Trail Ready and Allied. I chose TR and ordered them yesterday. Should have them by the end of next week :D

I agree with Big Dude, some sort of notification either at the time of the order or when major delays come up should be passed on to the end customer. I understand delays but at least tell me.

So can someone confirm that the TrailReady beadlocks use a bolt and nut, not a nutsert?

Interesting....


What other popular beadlocks use a bolt and nut retaining method?

If this is a viable method - It sure makes my plans to make my own beadlocks MUCH easier to make...

Originally posted by The Rockslut


I agree with Big Dude, some sort of notification either at the time of the order or when major delays come up should be passed on to the end customer. I understand delays but at least tell me.

yeah, I'd have to agree also. it says a lot about the lack of service in most situations that when someone does something like notify people it is considered 'good' instead of 'normal'. I don't think we should have to hope for this kind of service, it should be normal and routine, simply the level of service that is expected and delivered. Sorry to rant, but lack of responsible service type issues really hit a cord and bug me, cuz like most of you I experience it ALL THE TIME.

This may be jumping the gun a little because it's only 3:30 out there but oh well.

I was guaranteed a complete explanation of what was going on with my order and Allied's facility this afternoon (it's 6:30 here). I was to either receive a phone call or email detailing what the circumstances were that caused the production delay (not some half-assed explanation that I got yesterday). This communication was also guaranteed to tell me what date my wheels will be produced (I'm 1st or 2nd in line) and shipped. I did not demand this information either, I simply asked if it was possible and was told that I would be contacted by THIS afternoon.

I have not been conacted by Allied or High-Impact.:mad3:

I would strongly suggest that you think about other companies if you demand good customer service. This also worries me about the kind of customer service I will receive in the future if I ever experience problems with their product.

I wish I would've nutted up the extra ~$200 and got Trailready

Unfortunately my receipt says "Wheel orders are custom orders. They are non-cancellable and non-refundable" :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:

Beadlocks must be the hottest damn thing since slice bread. I ordered my Rockstompers (wheels and beadlocks by them, since my time has been somewhat consumed by work lately) back on March 23 and was told a lead time of 2-3 weeks. Well now 6 weeks later there has been no progress. Apparently the wheel company (US Wheel) has problem finding people that can count past 5 or 6 because they can't seem drill those extra couple wholes to build my 8 lugs. :confused:

After making several other phone calls, here are approximate lead times according to some retailers:

Trail Ready & dealers - 2-8 weeks
Avalanche (TR) - 6-8 weeks
MRT - 2 weeks to 3 months (varied by dealer)
Allied - 2 -3 weeks for most, but not sure about 8 lugs

Trouble is, since I'm into Rockstomper's 2-3 week lead time by 6 weeks, I can't see cancelling the order and trying out one of these other yahoos.

Buyers beware, Beadlock lead times are huge right now, so plan accordingly. My whole D60 swap has been put on a 3 week hold because of the delays. On a positive note, that gave me plenty of time to shave the ring gear and plate my pig.

Bob

Originally posted by DRM
So can someone confirm that the TrailReady beadlocks use a bolt and nut, not a nutsert?

Interesting....


What other popular beadlocks use a bolt and nut retaining method?

If this is a viable method - It sure makes my plans to make my own beadlocks MUCH easier to make...


Yes David,
They use a bolt and a nut. Not nutcerts...

The nut is a flanged, anti reverse type.

stay away from a certain company in northern washington and i dont mean trail ready.

Originally posted by bigblaze
stay away from a certain company in northern washington and i dont mean trail ready.

Sorry but you'll have to be a little more specific (PM if you'd like), I'm not sure
Allied - CA
MRT - AZ
Trail Ready - WA
Avalanche - CO
Rockstomper - CO
US wheel - CA
?? - WA

Man, I cant beleive all this drama over beadlocks! I have had
Champions and now have MRT's and have had no problems at
all. Not even a slight leak?

Originally posted by rockhog
Man, I cant beleive all this drama over beadlocks! I have had
Champions and now have MRT's and have had no problems at
all. Not even a slight leak?

Hey Ron










:flipoff2:

UPDATE: Even though its been a while I did return all 8 of my Aggro beadlocks without a problem. Gabe has had it with making beadlocks. He is a GREAT guy and had no problem refunding my money and the shipping costs. He wanted to work everything out and even offered to ship me the wheels off of his rig.

I have since ordered Trail Ready beadlocks on April 2nd. I still dont have them :mad: I call every other day :D and they have been on the floor ready to ship twice, being welded twice and at the powder coater at least nine times. I am tired of getting the run around but I will just stand there and take it. To late to cancel my order and get others so oh well. Memorial day might be on non beadlocks. Oh well. Off to the garage to get the OBA going.

Originally posted by The Rockslut


Oh well. Off to the garage to get the OBA going.


Whadaya need OBA for?, if you dont even have any wheels and tires to fill up:flipoff2:

I love my Aggros, are you sure it wasnt operator error:flipoff2: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Just thought i'd let you know your not the only one waiting for trail ready to get your wheels to you i ordered mine March 28 and am still waiting:mad3: I hope they get their act together before Memorial weekend.

Well since someone brought this back from the depths.....

My beadlocks will be here today, 5/7/02, about 2 months after I was told I'd have them in 2 weeks.

High-Impact/Allied was very patient in dealing with my complaints and even credited me 15% of the purchase price for the delay (I wish they would've given me half off, but hey I was happy and surprised). In the end I guess I would reccomend them due to their service. They do return calls and emails. They also sit quietly while you bitch at them:D (and that always makes a mad consumer feel better)

But if you order from them just don't take their 2 week guarantee as gospel or your setting yourself up for frustration:beer:

I'll be turning my 128 bolts tonight as I mount my tires and drink hella beer:beer:

Originally posted by H8monday



Whadaya need OBA for?, if you dont even have any wheels and tires to fill up:flipoff2:

I love my Aggros, are you sure it wasnt operator error:flipoff2: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:


Well I do have my 40's mounted on regular wheels. Just wanted them on beadlocks like i PAID FOR! Nothing better than dropping $900 for wheels and sitting for over a month with nothing.

Will have the OBA ready to go for Mem Day so if I blow a bead I can air up. Not really interested in loosing facial hair do to starter fluid :flipoff2: Might do you some justice though H8 :D

aaahhhhh starter fluid...........:D

Originally posted by The Rockslut



Well I do have my 40's mounted on regular wheels. Just wanted them on beadlocks like i PAID FOR! Nothing better than dropping $900 for wheels and sitting for over a month with nothing.

Will have the OBA ready to go for Mem Day so if I blow a bead I can air up. Not really interested in loosing facial hair do to starter fluid :flipoff2: Might do you some justice though H8 :D


Whaddaya trying to say, Rockslut?

Hey gimme a call, I have some cool OBA parts left over from my install.

Originally posted by H8monday



Whaddaya trying to say, Rockslut?

Hey gimme a call, I have some cool OBA parts left over from my install.

Thanks Jeff.
I just gathered all the parts that i need. I just need to make the bracket to mount the York and strap all the components on. Maybe this weekend. Wont be at Calrocs to watch you test out your cage. Will be gearing my Jeep.

thats funny gabe offered to give cornfed his wheels off of his truck too if his would not be ready in time and then it came down to the deadline the day the decision had to be made and you couldnt get a hold of him and then he called the next day.phhhh. What the f is that? And now he still has not refunded the sales tax $70 and that is bull

Look what Mr. UPS brought me today. It'll probably be this weekend before I get them painted and my calipers ground down. But my 9 1/2 week order has been completed. I will give credit to Scott@Rockstomper for dealing with my frequent phone calls. Only one noticable blemish on the wheels is a dent on one of the inner beads, most likely complements of Mr UPS.

http://home.insight.rr.com/rpark/P5220002.JPG

I wish the ups man had been as kind to me as he was to you. Im still waiting on mine. I was told i should have them by friday so i could go wheeling this weekend but no such luck.

well TJBob and bigdude....what's the report on the beadlocks?

Interesting thread... I think the best thing for anyone buying beadlock rims would be to plan ahead and order like 2 months before you need them. I know this kind of sucks, but I think it will take out some frustration if you really need them. I believe most companies really mean well, but are too busy with orders and/or staffing issues.

I talked to Lyle Marsh (the guy who started Marsh Racing) and he was very receptive to my wheel needs. Might want to give Marsh Racing Wheels (formerly MRT) a try. I'm sure things are in good hands now.

Disclaimer: not associated with Marsh racing wheels.

Charles

sounds to me like that i would just
buy the flanges and get them
welded on your wheels or do it your self.
buy some bolts and nylocks and go.
or am i missing something?

Originally posted by fj40charles

I talked to Lyle Marsh (the guy who started Marsh Racing) and he was very receptive to my wheel needs. Might want to give Marsh Racing Wheels (formerly MRT) a try. I'm sure things are in good hands now.

Charles

I thought MRT or Marsh were done with beadlocks and Marsh left alot of unhappy customers hanging in the wind:confused: :confused:

I could be wrong....If so give us the straight scoop;)

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


I thought MRT or Marsh were done with beadlocks and Marsh left alot of unhappy customers hanging in the wind:confused: :confused:

I could be wrong....If so give us the straight scoop;)

He sure left me hanging in the wind..my only saving grace was that I ordered from one of their resellers so I returned those POS's and got Allieds instead. The Allieds seem great and they haven't even scrathed th paint yet...might be because they haven't left the garage though:D

Originally posted by ZUK
well TJBob and bigdude....what's the report on the beadlocks?

My official report has not been field tested yet. The tires are installed and beads locked, but my axle won't be done until this week sometime.

Now the problems I encountered with Rockstomper were not exclusive to them. Every 8 lug beadlock I tried to order would have taken 6-8 weeks according to the retailers.

I will say that if I had to do it again I would get my own wheels and weld the rings on myself.

The US Wheels that Rockstomper used could have been put together a little better (not a quality problem, but a design issue). The wheels were setup with 3" bs, but they kept the larger bead surface on the outside of the wheel (where the beadlock is set). So effectively while they could have beefed up the inner bead, they didn't.

I don't know how much of a big deal that will be but it might be a good idea to consider in the future.

MY RECOMMENDATION:
No matter who you order your wheels from, if you are looking at 8 lugs, estimate 8 weeks +/- 2 weeks.


Bob

Originally posted by ZUK
well TJBob and bigdude....what's the report on the beadlocks?

Like I said mine finally showed. They were approximately 7 weeks late and I received a 15% refund for the delay. I had time to complete everything and my Jeep was sitting for a good 3 weeks waiting for the wheels. Unfortunately one inner lip was slightly bent by UPS during shipping (as evident by the destroyed box). Allied is sending me a replacement but it hasn't showed yet. I'm running them now and have a little over 1000 miles on the beadlocks. No leaks, good construction, holding torque rather well (retorquing every ~300 miles with 4-5 slightly loose bolts per wheel). No complaints except the wait and the handling by UPS.