I am probably missing something stupid but I am going to be flipping my 300 why can't I just make a shifter that will just shift from the original (lower) spot are there any reasons im missing other than leakage?

good luck getting a driveshaft in it

or keeping oil in it-from what i was told when i asked the same question the seals on the shift rails aren't that great and the oil will get past them. is it true? i dunno. never tried it.

Might try searching 300 flipkit

As for the seals - surely there's a double lip seal out there that would help, if not stop any leakage issues. I mean, the things are only like an inch in diameter, right? Can't be an expensive test - put 'em in, flip it over with some fluid in it, see if it leaks.

But like was mentioned, good luck getting a driveshaft past any shift linkage; even cable shifters might be difficult.

Hey thanks olblue i guess you see it my way because i did mention that i wasn't concerned about leaks because in the last 20 years they have figured out how to make a seal. As for a driveshaft fitting the driveshaft fits in the stock rotation why in the fuck wouldn't it fit rotated to the right side why I ask? Cuz you can't think outside the box you can buy all the flip kits you want later.

the stock shifter location is over the front output. when you flip the case you move them to under the output, meaning your shifters go through the area normally occupied by your front driveshaft. the flip kits solve this by moving the shifters to the bottom (now the top once the case is flipped) so you can shift and have a driveshaft at the same time. :shaking: think about it for a minute and you'll see what i mean.

I was hoping people could think outside the box because i have a shifter on a flipped 300 with a driveshaft!!!! no flip kit just some fab skills and the desire to build my own stuff Im not saying you should'nt buy a flip kit Im suggesting that It isn't as necessary as everyone thinks. The way I see it is the shift rails are going to be below the centerline of the driveshaft (that is what skidplates are for) and voila driveshaft and a shifter... think about it and you'll see what I mean

Well post up some pics of your "outside the box" invention. This site is for tech so give us some.

agreed If I can dave 600 bucks I am game

Well post up some pics of your "outside the box" invention. This site is for tech so give us some.X2 SOUNDS LIKE GREAT TECH PROVE IT

My 300 isn't flipped, but it's running behind a 700R4. I am running a two piece front shaft in order to get 'around' the tranny.

I see no reason why a person couldn't run a two-piece shaft (they aren't fawkin rocket science - I built my own) on the drivers side in order to give you a little clearance for a cable shifter IF you even needed it...

How far forward does a cable shifter reach anyways?

Well I have had a chance to photograph my TRIAL shifter there is no contact between the driveshaft even when tilted in towards driveline and even slightly upward. This can never actually happen however I wanted to show that there is plenty of room for driveshaft. This is the rear housing extension of an AW4 trans and the 7/8 spacer has not been drilled as I have not decided where the case will be clocked to I mocked it at the lowest clocking on an AW4 as this leaves the most room however it can be rotated absolutly flat and still clear. Attaching to the top of the shift extensions will be push pull rods from the twin stick mounted to the floor somewhat like the factory XJ,YJ,TJ shifters(It will probably be a modified XJ shifter) Now this was a feasability excersise however the final incarnation will most likely have small rod ends at all the pivot points for durabilitys sake. Leakage problems I don not believe will be an issure as a multi-lip seal will replace the factory O-ring style however this has not been done yet so I am only assuming there will be no leakage. I will do this ASAP and post my findings but I forsee no problems. However I am new to computers and would appreciate anyones help I don't know how to post my pictures!!! Thanks

However I am new to computers and would appreciate anyones help I don't know how to post my pictures!!! Thanks


e-mail them to me

opiebennett@gmail.com

or if you are ambitious - www.tinypic.com then use their hosting and copy the links...

good luck getting a driveshaft in it


this is probably the funniest reply on pirate

not mine - posting for jeremi

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Click for full size (Huge) pictures...


my question now - what happens when you stuff the drivers side and the axle moves to the left - doesnt the DS hit the linkage?


oh - and you need to put a nut on your fron output yoke :D

Looks promising. Way to put up. Does it shift as easy as stock? And does it leak? I know you said your going to get better seals but does it need it? If so be sure to post up some part numbers. Thanks, Tab

Sorry about the piture size my wife's camera is 8.0mp and thats what come out of it. There is alot more than a pinion nut needed but my goal was to make a shifter out of scraps around the shop as a feasibilty study I will invest some money in it now I know it works. The case will now be dissasembled and rebuilt. I will source the rail seals and of course I will post PN . As for driveshaft interference the photo with the driveshaft it is pointing straight forward and it is not hitting anything for the driveshaft to get to this position the front axle would be hitting the crankshaft. As for shifting like any twin sticked d300 it shifts much easier than stock because the stupid balance beam fighting the interlock pills are a thing of the past. I cannot dtermine if the upgraded seals are a must as my stock seals are a mess I will not be putting the stock seal back in.

well i guess i stand corrected. looks a lot better than a flip kit to me. good job

well i guess i stand corrected. looks a lot better than a flip kit to me. good job:smokin:

Just curious, what is the D300 going into? It seems to me that the shifters will be way far back. When I built the twinstick for the EB D20, I had to extend the shifters out front, but that may have just been because I put it behind a Klune-V. I ended up having to design and build my sticks 3 times before I got it right, but they work great now.

Wilson

It is going into an XJ with a 231 range box in front of it the shifter will pivot off the stock shifter pivot and there will be long rods going to the case

It is going into an XJ with a 231 range box in front of it the shifter will pivot off the stock shifter pivot and there will be long rods going to the case

It is going into an XJ with a 231 range box in front of it the shifter will pivot off the stock shifter pivot and there will be long rods going to the case

It is going into an XJ with a 231 range box in front of it the shifter will pivot off the stock shifter pivot and there will be long rods going to the case

Makes more sense now. Thanks

Wilson

sorry about repeat posts something was buggered up

cool, i like it, there is defenately more than one way to skin a cat.
i already flipped mine, built the flip kit myself out of box tubing, took me the better part of a day. i think building the flip kit is a better way of doing it, but i cant come up with any good reasons besides i dont want to think i did it the hard way :flipoff2:

I ground some 5/8 round stock so they stuck out the back of the case enuf to grap with the cable shifters setup. Kept me from worrying about the front ds issue. Rotation was via a Klune. Works good. While I was grinding shafts I included being able to have front only, or rear only, including lockout of 1 in low/ 1 in hi (kaboom factor). There's postings on that somewhere.

looks good i just hoop you dont need to upgrade that front yoke, then you might have some clearence trouble but other than that it looks like a cheap way of getting a D-300 on a driver side.

i wonder if you could use some cables in this position, insteed of a linkage run some HD cables when you flip it and on a side note i had a dana 300 at the shop sitting upside down for a few years and not a drop of oil out of the seals for the rails, yes i know they werent being shifted but still i think they wont piss out oil like some peaple beleave, jason.

Hey thanks olblue i guess you see it my way because i did mention that i wasn't concerned about leaks because in the last 20 years they have figured out how to make a seal. As for a driveshaft fitting the driveshaft fits in the stock rotation why in the fuck wouldn't it fit rotated to the right side why I ask? Cuz you can't think outside the box you can buy all the flip kits you want later.

well fuckin excuse me, when i asked the same question a few on this board said that the oil would leak out by the end of a trail ride. besides, you said:

I am probably missing something stupid but I am going to be flipping my 300 why can't I just make a shifter that will just shift from the original (lower) spot are there any reasons im missing other than leakage?

you never said you weren't worried about leaks:flipoff2:

you never said you weren't worried about leaks:flipoff2:

I wish more people WERE worried about leaks.

I also do not like leaks but am confident it will not leak. And big junk and rnuover im sorry for jumping down your throat earlier but some buddies here and I were drinking and bench racing and they all said it couldn't be done and we got into it pretty good sorry to bring that garbage here. Thanks for all your input> Ido like the cable shifter idea especially from the rear of the case what are people using PTO cables?

probably using automatic tranny shifter cables or something similar.

i hope it works, it will save me some $ if it does.

i was looking at some pics and thought about mentioning shifting it from the rear but wanted to see if i could get it to work before i said anything. i was thinking drill and tap the ends of the shift rails and use a small heim or something similar as your attaching point for linkage or a cable. i dunno, just an idea. as long as it doesn't leak real bad that is :laughing:

Ido like the cable shifter idea especially from the rear of the case what are people using PTO cables?

I used the Atlas cable shifter set. I'm sure less expensive ones are available but ........... it's all about that "my time is worth how much" thing. I just didn't take the time to investigate.

I used a precision machining tool (4" grinder) to bring the 5/8" round bar down 'a bit', and then ran a male thread on it so the cables just connected right up.

by the way, regarding leaks. I don't leak from the front (don't go there - leave it alone!) where I left the same design (new seals), and the only leak I get from the back is where I scratched one rail on the install. I'll fix that. I basically duplicated the seal arrangement from the front, 'cept the seals sit on the outer face of the case instead of a recess like on the front. I've heard of some folks machining a recess on the back. Couldn't figure how to do that with my 4" grinder. :rolleyes: I also stuffed the holes in the case with 2 or 3 (I forget) 0-rings on each rail. I used the seal cover same as the front, drilled a mount hole thru the center of it, and a matching threaded hole in the case. Used some silicone on that cover. I have a slight leak because of that scratch on the one rail, else I'm dry.

I'll post pics - they're at home in the digital

any updates boys......

I am in the middle of putting a D300 behind an AW4.
I've got 2-3 hour of machine time left on the adapter,
then I jumping in to the D300 flip, I am going to make it myself.

But I like the shifters tucked up out of the way...

:smokin:

Hole Crap am I a thread killer........ :flipoff2:

Any updates?????

Yeah wheres the update and pics?? I getting ready to flip the case in mine and this looks really simple.

Bump for an update. I'll be watching this with my 300 next to me.

No updates this is the first day of the thread!! We will have material here shortly for a bunch of prototype kits. One is going in my personal ZJ and the rest can get gobled up in the order I was pm'ed

Um, MC, if you look at the thread, its a different one, not for you kit. This flips it with no kit. Bumping it for a cheap seal.
Chad

I shifted off the back,used stock rails drilled and tapped to fit the end of atlas cable shifters,with new stock shift forks seals in hand cut a recessed seal surface with a die grinder then reinstalled the forks and built a standoff for the atlas cables.

Not confident with a die grinder? Take the empty case to a machine shop with stock seals and tell him to make them fit.

No leaks.

BINGO! that is very close to our design except we also utilize the detent balls and springs so you dont :BOOM:

look in my post about 2/3 of the way down - a link to pics

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254627&page=3

if some one is fabbing up a flip kit and can make another im game thanks