will this swap work

[teson]

I have a 1995 yj it's all tubed out, ready for a power trian transplant, will the axles out of a - 1987 Jeep Wagoneer - work for my jeep- they sould be dana 44s right? I need to run them with my stock 2.5lt and np 231 with teraflow low kit and sye on it intill i can come up with money for the rest, Then i could get any 318 or 360, 302 360 from a dodge or a ford and swap them right in on top of these axles right. whats is the axle ratio on these axles anyways.

[Chato]

I don't consider myself to be an expert but I will share what I do know having been there myself.
1. The new axles will be several inches longer and the tires will protrude from the fender wells more than what is street legal in many states. Witht he axles left long your ride will definitely have the praying mantis look.
2. You'll either narrow the axles (what I did) or change the location of the spring perches. You'll of course have to go with new brake line hoses and you'll have to figure out how to fit your new shocks, fabricating new mounts.
3. You can go with the D 44 steering gear and will probably have to change the pitman arm toward the end once you've seen how things line up.
4. You'll have to come up with some six hole wheels.
5. Some of the Wagoneers came with rear Dana 60s (a few), most with Dana 44s and a few with AMC 20s. Ratios were usually 3.07 and 3.54 with a few with 4.10.
6. You may have to change the proportioning valve if your rear and front brakes end up locking up not at the same time under emergency braking.

If you end up with an AMC 360 engine, they are strong and reliable with lots of low end torque, great for trail use. They're a little wimpy at higher revs and a Ford or Chevy will humiliate them at the traffic light but who cares if you're off roading?

[currupt4130]

its not even tuesday...:shaking:

[Steve N]

I don't consider myself to be an expert but I will share what I do know

Some of the Wagoneers came with rear Dana 60s (a few)


If you end up with an AMC 360 engine, They're a little wimpy at higher revs and a Ford or Chevy will humiliate them at the traffic light

ummm no....... There were never any Dana 60's in Wagoneers. In J trucks yes, Wagoneers (or Cherokees) no. None of my Factory parts books mention this, nor have I ever seen one.

And on 360's being humiliated at traffic lights....... Wanna race? :evil:


oh ya forgot on the original post :cow:

[prienn]

I don't consider myself to be an expert but I will share what I do know having been there myself.
1. The new axles will be several inches longer and the tires will protrude from the fender wells more than what is street legal in many states. Witht he axles left long your ride will definitely have the praying mantis look.


The front is actually very close to the same width, and the rear is narrower. My experiences - 91' Waggy front D44 - about 60" wms, '89 Waggy rear D44 - about 58.5" wms put under my '88 YJ f/r about 60" wms.

[Murfman]

just make sure the waggy front doesn't have the vacuum disconnect on it.

[Murfman]

just make sure the waggy front doesn't have the vacuum disconnect on it.

[aviatorsman]

i'm no waggy expert, but while i was looking for axles for my YJ swap I ran into many Waggy's with both axles having a passenger offset. i really dont know why, i think its something about a full time 4x4 (i really have no idea).

watch out for those, i was close to closing a couple deals before i realized both axles were passenger drops. i ended up going a different direction with a 44/9" out of a bronco. good luck man.

[easyover]

I don't consider myself to be an expert but I will share what I do know having been there myself.
1. The new axles will be several inches longer and the tires will protrude from the fender wells more than what is street legal in many states. Witht he axles left long your ride will definitely have the praying mantis look.
2. You'll either narrow the axles (what I did) or change the location of the spring perches. You'll of course have to go with new brake line hoses and you'll have to figure out how to fit your new shocks, fabricating new mounts.
3. You can go with the D 44 steering gear and will probably have to change the pitman arm toward the end once you've seen how things line up.
4. You'll have to come up with some six hole wheels.
5. Some of the Wagoneers came with rear Dana 60s (a few), most with Dana 44s and a few with AMC 20s. Ratios were usually 3.07 and 3.54 with a few with 4.10.
6. You may have to change the proportioning valve if your rear and front brakes end up locking up not at the same time under emergency braking.

If you end up with an AMC 360 engine, they are strong and reliable with lots of low end torque, great for trail use. They're a little wimpy at higher revs and a Ford or Chevy will humiliate them at the traffic light but who cares if you're off roading?


First thing you do is not listen to this fuckwad ^ because he obviously hasn't been there himself. Nothing worse than someone spouting a bunch of incorrect info.
'87 GW axles are a good choice for a YJ. Both front and rear will be D44's. You'll need to elaborate on suspension setup (SUA/SOA) for further advise on steering and such. As stated before, front WMS is 61" and rear 58.5". Stock YJ WMS is 60"/60".
Gearing will more than likely be 3.31. That was the gearing that came with the tow package, which most of them came standard with in '87. Standard gear ratio was 2.73.
The AMC360 is a great engine. They are comperable in weight and dimensions as a SBC. They last a long time due to they're high nickel content block and heads, and the standard AMC360/401 head will outflow most factory performance SBC heads. Bolt on intake and exhaust mods with a little more cam than stock and you'll be saying "Chevy what?"

[JeffsJeep04]

My axles came with the awesome 2.73 range. I wouldn't even plan on using the stock gears. Especially with the 2.5. Going to v-8, you are going to have to watch tire size...and then I'd consider going with a beefier axle out back, the front should be OK. I love them with the 4 banger, they are plenty strong. I could stand some deeper gears in mine (I have 4.88's now), but it works well. The 87 is d44 f/r, centered (enough) rear, ~62 front and ~59 rear. Great setup in a YJ. They are a very easy swap if you are going SUA. SOA is more work, and again, might want to consider different axles.

What size tires you going to run? That's the first question you need to ask yourself.

[jeepin_psymon]

I don't consider myself to be an expert but I will share what I do know having been there myself.
1. The new axles will be several inches longer and the tires will protrude from the fender wells more than what is street legal in many states. Witht he axles left long your ride will definitely have the praying mantis look.
2. You'll either narrow the axles (what I did) or change the location of the spring perches. You'll of course have to go with new brake line hoses and you'll have to figure out how to fit your new shocks, fabricating new mounts.
3. You can go with the D 44 steering gear and will probably have to change the pitman arm toward the end once you've seen how things line up.
4. You'll have to come up with some six hole wheels.
5. Some of the Wagoneers came with rear Dana 60s (a few), most with Dana 44s and a few with AMC 20s. Ratios were usually 3.07 and 3.54 with a few with 4.10.
6. You may have to change the proportioning valve if your rear and front brakes end up locking up not at the same time under emergency braking.

If you end up with an AMC 360 engine, they are strong and reliable with lots of low end torque, great for trail use. They're a little wimpy at higher revs and a Ford or Chevy will humiliate them at the traffic light but who cares if you're off roading?

your right your not an expert!:flipoff:

[JeffsJeep04]

your right your not an expert!:flipoff:
At least he's man enough to admit it instead of trolling around taking pop shots :rolleyes:

[currupt4130]

it doesnt matter if hes man enough, if he doesnt know its correct dont give it, plain and simple. this keeps people from wasting time and money cuz someone didnt know what they were talking about

[JeffsJeep04]

it doesnt matter if hes man enough, if he doesnt know its correct dont give it, plain and simple. this keeps people from wasting time and money cuz someone didnt know what they were talking about
If you go spend your money after reading a post started with "I'm no expert," you have bigger fish to fry my friend.

[Janster]

My axles came with the awesome 2.73 range. I wouldn't even plan on using the stock gears. Especially with the 2.5. Going to v-8, you are going to have to watch tire size...and then I'd consider going with a beefier axle out back, the front should be OK. I love them with the 4 banger, they are plenty strong. I could stand some deeper gears in mine (I have 4.88's now), but it works well. The 87 is d44 f/r, centered (enough) rear, ~62 front and ~59 rear. Great setup in a YJ. They are a very easy swap if you are going SUA. SOA is more work, and again, might want to consider different axles.

What size tires you going to run? That's the first question you need to ask yourself.

Exactly....

[Janster]

I have 89 Grand Waggy axles under my YJ - both front/rear.
Tons of people have done this swap - and it's an EASY swap for beginners with some mechanical sense. The width difference from front to rear - isn't anything to worry about. It's not even that noticable (on mine that is).

You don't want the stock gearing.......

What type of trails are you gonna wanna play on?? What's your motive for building??

If you plan on doing some hard core shit...that D44 rear ain't gonna last you very long. Believe me.... I've got 35's, locked f/r, and haven't done much really technical trails and my husband and I drive with finesse.... we've already toasted a stock waggy D44 rear shaft (twisted splines, bent flange).

You should start looking at D60's for the rear.