I *can* get some 30 or 35 spline shafts and carrier into this thing, right?


Also, I tried checking the BOM# on the Dana site but this thing is not listed... I guess it is too old :confused:

30sp yes, no problem... 35's not without boring...

Cool....


I am then left tossing around whether to go 30 or 35 spline.

Local place will bore the spindles for about $50, Can get some Moser 35 spline shafts for about $300, and I already have a welded 35 spline carrier coming out of my front 60.

Or, find some used 30 spline shafts for $???, and then buy a low ratio carrier and spider gears to match....

Oh - and I am CHEAP and hate spending money.... what to do? :(

Don't even think about it. Spend the $350.00 and then forget about rear axle breakage.
Why do people insist on incrementalism? Especially on a full rebuild, trail only vehicle. :confused: JMNSHO. YMMV, ETC... :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :beer:

Originally posted by RokHeep
Don't even think about it. Spend the $350.00 and then forget about rear axle breakage.
Why do people insist on incrementalism? Especially on a full rebuild, trail only vehicle. :confused: JMNSHO. YMMV, ETC... :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :beer:



Uhhhh (insert annoying whining here) did you miss the "I AM CHEAP" part? :p:p:p

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... I just HATE spending money ;)

You have a "free" welded 35-spline carrier that is bolt in and you can get the spindles machined for the ridiculously low price of $50 and you want me to sympathize with your "cheap/foolish" options? :rolleyes: :confused: Do what ya gotta do, I guess. :p

but he isnt telling you that he got the axle for free

haha. :confused:

I guess you should just run the 16 spline since you are "CHEAP". :eek: :( Whatever floats you're boat.

Originally posted by RokHeep
haha. :confused:

I guess you should just run the 16 spline since you are "CHEAP". :eek: :( Whatever floats you're boat.

I will likely look around for a 30 spline set of shafts that will fit and are reasonably priced, and/or look for another low/no clost complete 30 spline 60 I can use...

but 35 spline would be sooooo nice :D:D:D:D

As for running the 16 spline shafts - how do you think 100:1 low ratio and 42's will work with that? ;)

Don't dick with 30 spline for that cost, go 35 and be done with it.... Or do you like repairing your sh*t?

Originally posted by DRM

As for running the 16 spline shafts - how do you think 100:1 low ratio and 42's will work with that? ;)

Probably just as well as my 35 spline outers will like the 300hp, 360+ to 1 gear ratio, CTM's, and 42" TSL's. :flipoff2: :smokin: :beer:

I would run the 16 spline till they break

i realize that this is a different situation but I have a friend that runs 16 spline on a 500 Hp mud truck with 44" gumbos and hasnt broke them yet.

what u-jount is at the pinion on that old 60?
that might give way first.

DRM dont waste your time on that rear axle go get a 14 bolt or Dana 70 and build that !! you will thank Me both these axles can be found in Junk yards ! for cheap


4 wheeling cheap ??? Who you fooling:confused: :confused:


Adam,:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

DRM.. i got 35 spline axles from the boneyard for 60$

they slid right in my Dana 61

Measure B4 you go i got within 1/8" of what mine were with 30 splines...

FWIW i have my old 30 spline shafts you are welcome to for shipping

Do it right the first time and go 35 spline.

And send me that welded carrier!!!!

Originally posted by Adam Ant
DRM dont waste your time on that rear axle go get a 14 bolt or Dana 70 and build that !! you will thank Me both these axles can be found in Junk yards ! for cheap

Sure I can get them, but that means I am out more $$$ for the gears I alreayd bought for the 60 rear :p

Actually, more people around here are starting to put 14 bolt outers on their 60's and running 14 bolt shafts because the shafts are so cheap to replace.

redruM - I will be emailing you :)

I'm with rokheep on this one, just squeeze out the dough and do it right and forget it forever. It IS cheaper than doing over and over again. $350 for the a 35 spline ff 60 as cheap as its gonna get. I converted a 16 spline to a 35 on my last rig and it worked out great. Some of those old 60s even have a handy recessed drain plug. I would give the 14 bolt a miss unless you like to leave your mark on every rock on the trail.

I posted the same question about about 2 yrs ago. Gearman basically said that a 16 and a 30 spline are the same. Only difference in strength comes from the 35. so if you can get it cheap, go for it.
Im still running my 16 spline axles w/ 210:1 and 36 swampers w/ no breakage. I will eventually go w/ a set of 35 spline chromos when everything else is done on the rig. D60 16 spliners are almost free, so spares are also easy.

I guess I *could* stick with the 16 spline shafts for now, but it has 4.10 gears and a welded carrier, so I would need to buy a new carrier for the 4.88's as well as new 16 spline spider gears too.

I can see running the 16 spline if I already had everything to do it with, but to actually spend money to buy parts to fit 16 spline - nahhhh :p

what do you like more? spending money or changing axles on the trail? them 16 splinners are WEAK. i see them fail often and the guys that run em carry several spares. they change them more than i changed birfields.

Originally posted by camo
what do you like more? spending money or changing axles on the trail? them 16 splinners are WEAK. i see them fail often and the guys that run em carry several spares. they change them more than i changed birfields.

I'd rather run a Dana 35c than a 16 spline 60. ;)

So then who has the best prices on 35 spline shafts?

Prices are pretty much all the same - ca. $300/pair. If you want induction-hardened 1541 (same material Spicer uses) go to Moser or Dutchman. For 4340 with rolled splines, Superior. I'll be getting Superior's axleshafts when I've scrounged enough $$$ for them and the Detroit.

or depending on the width you are running you could cut down some 35 spline dana 70 flanged axles and just cut new splines for 75 bucks. that way you could be true to your jewish heritage :D

Originally posted by camo
or depending on the width you are running you could cut down some 35 spline dana 70 flanged axles and just cut new splines for 75 bucks. that way you could be true to your jewish heritage :D


Ahhh.... I like your thinking Camo (BTW - I am only an honorary Jew :p )

Originally posted by Lance


I'd rather run a Dana 35c than a 16 spline 60. ;)
Thats funny lance. I could have gotten a 16 spline 60 from a buddy, but opted to stay with my D35 LOL... Now the 8.8 goes in this weekend.
Scott

Originally posted by DRM




Actually, more people around here are starting to put 14 bolt outers on their 60's and running 14 bolt shafts because the shafts are so cheap to replace.



How can you put 14 bolt outer's on a 60? And get stock shaft's to fit ? You will need to machine the axle shaft to 35 spline because the 14 bolt axle shaft is 1.5 OD 30 spline,
not 1.5 OD 35 spline unless you got some crazy carrier I dont know about ????

( but we all no you don"t and it does not exist) so in my opinion, why waste youre money on puting 14 bolt outers just put the whole axle under there. For 80 bucks Pick and Pull sell you old axle and get disc brakes to, or just stick with drum ! I gotta remember you are cheap.


I would say still put a 14 bolt in and sell the 60 !!!

some lamo will buy it :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

LOL
just giving you grief ( is it working?)

Adam,

Go get a 14 bolt, I saw a 30 spline 60 rear break a shaft where it shouldn't have, JUNK it's what's for dinner:D And why 4.88's on a trail rig with a 4.3L??? 4:10's r more then enough, I have 3:90's with 4.3 dual case 420 it's sloooooo, need to swap the 4:10's I just got[virgin fronts] for the road hills were a little hard on the 3:90:)

hey seabass his tires are about 7" taller and he is running a automatic.

Hey, DRM. You might need to check the overall width on that old 16 spliner. That's the same thing I have and mine was about 63 inches drum face to drum face. Which turned out sweet cuz I then narrowed my front 60 to match and they look really sweet under my Sidekick!

Originally posted by Adam Ant


How can you put 14 bolt outer's on a 60? And get stock shaft's to fit ? You will need to machine the axle shaft to 35 spline because the 14 bolt axle shaft is 1.5 OD 30 spline,
not 1.5 OD 35 spline unless you got some crazy carrier I dont know about ????


the axles david is referring to are quite easy to produce. The people simply cut the the tubes off the 60 about 6-8 inches before where the spindle is welded to the end of the tube.Then they cut the spindle off a 14 bolt rear axle and weld them onto the 60.They remove the side gears from the 14 bolt carrier and weld them to the sides of the 60 carrier.They use the 14 bolt bearing hubs since they are using the 14 bolt spindles and the 14 bolt axle shafts.That is it.:D

Originally posted by onetonwillysands10


They remove the side gears from the 14 bolt carrier and weld them to the sides of the 60 carrier..That is it.:D


if that ain't Red Neck down to the T!!!

I dont know what is

LOL


Adam,:rasta: :rasta:

Originally posted by TrailRunner
hey seabass his tires are about 7" taller and he is running a automatic.

The AUTO should & does make up for deeper gears, so even 3.55's would be fine with his setup :D

Originally posted by SeaBass44


The AUTO should & does make up for deeper gears, so even 3.55's would be fine with his setup :D

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by SeaBass44
Go get a 14 bolt, I saw a 30 spline 60 rear break a shaft where it shouldn't have, JUNK it's what's for dinner:D And why 4.88's on a trail rig with a 4.3L??? 4:10's r more then enough, I have 3:90's with 4.3 dual case 420 it's sloooooo, need to swap the 4:10's I just got[virgin fronts] for the road hills were a little hard on the 3:90:)

Mainly because the front 60 came with 4.88's already installed :p

Originally posted by DRM


Mainly because the front 60 came with 4.88's already installed :p

At least it's a real answer/reason:D not a made up one like tires bigger & auto:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

ok,drm,if your really that much of a tight ass dont mess with the 60 at all. i think i could give you a good run for your money as to whose tighter :flipoff2: i love st spend money,its just that i never have any :p so i know where youre comin from

given this info,you should use the 14 bolt,they are a dime a dozen. i gave $50 for my first one,and gave $50 for a whole 2wd parts truck that also gave me a good midtail th350,and my friend lots of good body parts,so i figure ive got about $12.50 in that one :D .in a week or 2 im gonna go pick up a 3rd one for $50.i see them in the local tading post for $150 and less.

ive got mine shaved down to the point its got the same clearance as a stock d60,and i can prolly get alittle mor out of it. im not gonna go so far as to have to cut the bottom off,shave the ring gear,and put a plae on it,just cut the lip off and smooth it all out. for $50 a pop,i dont care to leave part of it on every rock or log i drag it across. if youre gonna use the hubs,outers,etc.,just use the whole thing.you got another inch of ring gear,and a 4 spider diff.definately stroger than the 60.

also theres alot of 14 bolt guys upgrading to 5.13 R&Ps,so if the axle you get dont come with 4.10s,its not too hard to find used 4.10,and 4.56 14 bolt gearsets.

'nuff said

Originally posted by saprobe
also theres alot of 14 bolt guys upgrading to 5.13 R&Ps,so if the axle you get dont come with 4.10s,its not too hard to find used 4.10,and 4.56 14 bolt gearsets.

'nuff said

Like I said - the front 60 already came with 4.88's - so either I gotta buy a 14 bolt AND 14 bolt gears, or buy new gears for the 60... Either way - more $$$...

Originally posted by DRM


Like I said - the front 60 already came with 4.88's - so either I gotta buy a 14 bolt AND 14 bolt gears, or buy new gears for the 60... Either way - more $$$...

then get the 14 bolt

D60= gears & 35spline shafts cost
14= gears & axle cost

Originally posted by SeaBass44


then get the 14 bolt

D60= gears & 35spline shafts cost
14= gears & axle cost

But there is more to it....

If I get a 14 bolt, I also have to get a low ratio carrier too (I already have a 35 spline 60 welded carrier).

Besides, we are now comparing a 35 spline 60 to a 30 spline 14 bolt... less ground clearance, weaker shafts,, more $$$... still say get a 14 bolt?

Originally posted by DRM


But there is more to it....

If I get a 14 bolt, I also have to get a low ratio carrier too (I already have a 35 spline 60 welded carrier).

Besides, we are now comparing a 35 spline 60 to a 30 spline 14 bolt... less ground clearance, weaker shafts,, more $$$... still say get a 14 bolt?

yes get the 14 bolt. I think there is only one carrier for a 14 bolt, highest ratio is 1 below 4:10?????

Originally posted by SeaBass44


yes get the 14 bolt. I think there is only one carrier for a 14 bolt, highest ratio is 1 below 4:10?????

So I would have to find a 14 bolt with stock 4.10/4.56 gears and I could use that carrier...

Then I would have to sell the new 4.88 rear 60 gears and full setup kit I already paid $250 for... And buy 14 bolt gears (and maybe a setup kit), without losing any money on the 60 gears - and the 14 bolt gears will cost more.

Still - only 30 spline shafts...

But the 14 bolt shafts are1 9/16" 30 spline!THey are at least as strong as 35 spline dana 60 shafts and probably stronger. Either way I doubt you would break either. I have a 35 spline semi floater 60, but I doubt I'll ever come close to hurting it with my 6 cylynder:D

Originally posted by desertCJ
But the 14 bolt shafts are1 9/16" 30 spline!THey are at least as strong as 35 spline dana 60 shafts and probably stronger. Either way I doubt you would break either. I have a 35 spline semi floater 60, but I doubt I'll ever come close to hurting it with my 6 cylynder:D

:D :D :D yup