Ok, i've been doing some reading and searching, Does anyone have a good source for information, I'm going to go w/ the complete Toyota drive train. I just don't know if I am going to go w/ the dual tcase setup(s) or one of the 4.?:1 setup(s)
the price by the time I would be done would be close to the same, Unless I find a killer deal, But I also don't know what is involed, the tech part doesn't bother me, I just dont'..well can't make my stupid mind up, and w/ my dead line to get a project finance proposal to the wife.(the old my money is her money, and her money is not mine. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> ).
ok back to work, <IMG SRC="smilies/sleep.gif" border="0">
Thanks guys.
and Phatty... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">.. <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">...

If you've got the space to do it, go with the dual setup. For one thing, you get a lower overall low range (5.2:1) than with either of the low-range gear sets, and you get to keep the option of the stock 2.28:1 when you want it. You can always stick a low-range gear set in the rear 'case later if you feel the need.

navy brat?
you have the room go for the dual setn up then you won't have to do the d/shaft twice(MORE LIKE 4 TIMES)maybe later you go 4to1 maybe not <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

what the hell is setn? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> dont know but I'll find out sir <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> once a brat <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by bobaki:
<STRONG>navy brat?
you have the room go for the dual setn up then you won't have to do the d/shaft twice(MORE LIKE 4 TIMES)maybe later you go 4to1 maybe not <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Dad was :Navy:..Damn Proud of my old man.. <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by bobaki:
<STRONG>what the hell is setn? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> dont know but I'll find out sir <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> once a brat <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

<IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> move it sail-or...move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it ok , back to work <IMG SRC="smilies/sleep.gif" border="0">

[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: ammelk ]

Originally posted by ammelk:
<STRONG> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> move it sail-or...move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move itmove it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it move it ok , back to work <IMG SRC="smilies/sleep.gif" border="0">

[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: ammelk ]</STRONG>

You know the number of posts doesnt go by key strokes! Or Bobaki would still be a newbie...

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[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: RudeZuk ]

Originally posted by RudeZuk:
<STRONG>You know the number of posts doesnt go by key strokes! Or Bobaki would still be a newbie...

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[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: RudeZuk ]</STRONG>

<IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> surrrrreeeeeeeeeee <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

now I feel wanted <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

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Okay..... Getting back on topic here... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Go with the duals. Here's why:[list=1]
5.2:1 vs. 4:1 or 4.7:1
Driveline is only about 6.5" longer
You can go with a low-range gearset later to be at 228:1 (assuming 5.29 R&P) without redoing driveshafts... again. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
You get 2WD low (only 2.28:1). Put the first stick in low, leave the rear at 2WD high.. You're at stock toy low for tight turns in 2WD.
It's CHEAPEST! From AllPro, the AA dual case adapter is ~$400 to your door. Find a rockin' good deal on a Toy 'case and you're wheeling ~130:1 for $500![/list=a]</font>

[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: Yota-San ]

YOTASAN where you get numbers? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by bobaki:
<STRONG>YOTASAN where you get numbers? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

<font color="yellow">In the immortal words of Yoda when speaking to Luke Skywalker:</font>
<font size="4"> "Use the force, Dumbass!"</font>

<font color="yellow">
I got bored, so I figured I'd come back and post some more sheet in the 'other' japapnese wheeling vehicle board:
SUMO 6.1:1 Gearset: 6.1:1 ratio
$1,025-ish price
Unproven gearset
Weak transfer case to put them in
No driveshaft mods
No driveTRAIN mods

MARLIN "ULTIMATE CRAWLER" (Dual Toy cases, 1 stock, 1 4.7:1 gearing) 10.71:1 ratio (!)
$500(see my 1st post) + $650 for 4.7:1 = $1150
Strong, V8 proven case
Gears run over the Hammers & so on for years
Reqires new driveshafts
Adapter to fit to engine and so on...

So what it boils down to is:
If you are going to run Toyota (or Dana) axles, think you might want to run a whole Toy drivetrain someday, and want a 10.71:1 ratio, and don't mind hacking up a Zuki, go Toyota.

If you want to stay with the Sammy engine and axles, think the Sammy case will hold up, and will be happy with 6.1:1, go this route.

Oh, and the ultimate crawler setup IS useful. I've ridden in one (gimme a year and I'll have one, it's just the $$ during school) and they ROCK. I never thought I would need something that low, until my bud climbed a 60* hill at idle with 36's.

The jeep guys would just shake their head when he parked it up against a tree, and got out. At idle, it VERY SLOWLY putted along, digging 4 36" Swampers into the ground.

Even the little Jap 4-bangers will NOT die in that low of a gear.</font>

YOTASAN.
went to marlin 4.70 gears=$749
allpro aa adapter=442 isit cheaper if you call?
toy tranny has 3.93 to 1 1st gearx 2.28x2.28x529=108
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Went to marlin 4.70 gears=$749
<font color="yellow">AA makes 4.0 gears $649... and they also make a 4.7, not sure about $$$</font>

Allpro aa adapter=442 isit cheaper if you call?
<font color="yellow">SeaBass said he got his in the low-400's. But now that I think about it, it may have been on sale during October. <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"></font>

toy tranny has 3.93:1 x 2.28 x 2.28 x 5.29=108
<font color="yellow">Uhh... You're right, and I'm stupid? I dunno where I got 130:1 from. Guess I must have rounded, or used too many significant digits, or forgot to covert to Mols per milliLITER or something. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"></font>

i think the $400 thing was a "limited time offer" from allpro. but they still have the best deals on them that i've seen.

soooooooI'm apicker of nits <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

poppy I think I paid $419 --------hows that big block or does the cage come first? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

waiting for trailtough to send me some bolts so i can put the damn thing in... sooo.... no, i havn't done a thing with it. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> cage is coming soon... just need to find a nice guy with a bender. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by poppyseed:
<STRONG>waiting for trailtough to send me some bolts so i can put the damn thing in... sooo.... no, i havn't done a thing with it. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> cage is coming soon... just need to find a nice guy with a bender. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Poppy, my friends and I are getting a bender for my garage...we could do our first cage in your ride

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i'd love the help <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

i know bobaki is down.

Wait till ya see our new bender. <IMG SRC="smilies/grinpimp.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>Wait till ya see our new bender. <IMG SRC="smilies/grinpimp.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Its only good for Tin....

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Originally posted by poppyseed:
<STRONG>i'd love the help <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

We are going to get one of the Ratchet benders...and there is a place here to get your tubing....alot cheaper than whar you were getting it for...If you want to call them there name is S&K steel, In sacramento...I could pick the stuff up for you too....
We are going to do a couple cages for the boys here..
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sounds super. i'll give them a call and see what it's gonna cost.

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>Wait till ya see our new bender. <IMG SRC="smilies/grinpimp.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

wanna loan it to me? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Yota-San:
<STRONG><font color="yellow">
Okay..... Getting back on topic here... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Go with the duals. Here's why:[list=1]
5.2:1 vs. 4:1 or 4.7:1
Driveline is only about 6.5" longer
You can go with a low-range gearset later to be at 228:1 (assuming 5.29 R&P) without redoing driveshafts... again. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
You get 2WD low (only 2.28:1). Put the first stick in low, leave the rear at 2WD high.. You're at stock toy low for tight turns in 2WD.
It's CHEAPEST! From AllPro, the AA dual case adapter is ~$400 to your door. Find a rockin' good deal on a Toy 'case and you're wheeling ~130:1 for $500![/list=a]</font>

[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: Yota-San ]</STRONG>

Thats my thought's,
I've decided to go w/ the dual tcase's for now. I like th upgrade ability of the case's to the 4:to something gear set's, and I still get 108:1 w/ the 5:29's and for now I think that will do unitll I learn to drive better.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
Thanks for the info..

while you have it out you can convert the rear case to be like a GRS 2wd low <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by ammelk:
<STRONG>Thats my thought's,
I've decided to go w/ the dual tcase's for now. I like th upgrade ability of the case's to the 4:to something gear set's, and I still get 108:1 w/ the 5:29's and for now I think that will do unitll I learn to drive better.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
Thanks for the info..</STRONG>

Toy dual cases will fully get it, I don't think you could go wrong.

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>Toy dual cases will fully get it, I don't think you could go wrong.</STRONG>

why thank you phatty, I figured if I'm going to get it, i might as well as GET IT.. <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0">
besides, that way I can always upgrade to 4to1 low kit in the back case, And I think that the whole set up will fit. i just need to figure out the length,
so Mr.Phish or is it Mr.Fish whats the lenght of your tannie tcase setup now <IMG SRC="smilies/question.gif" border="0">.
oh yeah, and phatty...GOD your up today..now get to work, <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
ok, back to work for me, <IMG SRC="smilies/sleep.gif" border="0">..
(jesus, can i spell or what. <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> edit done)

[ 11-02-2001: Message edited by: ammelk ]

I like the dual Toyota cases too, but how short can you go with your rear driveshaft? With my drivetrain right now (3.8L/TH350/'Yota Xfercase/'Yota axles) my rear CV shaft is only 21" long. Can I afford to cut it down to 15"?

LWB RAY the out put of the toy set up comes out with an inch of stock <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

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