The clutch in my 75 SII gave out, and I had a brand new disc that only fits the 258/232 given to me. I have all the other parts to throw in a 258 (bellhousing, flywheel, mounts , cross rod for clutch linkage, and a 120K mile 258) I pulled the 304/t18/d20 (damn was that heavy). It lookls like it is gunna sit really high in the nose w/ the 258, so is it better to add leafs to the rear, or pull a few from the front to level it (SOA on Non progressive 78 XLC's) Also, i have a 19 wide that i may throw in, the only question is will the 258 start in 2nd ok??? (4.09's, 33's) If I do go to the 258, i can get a propane setup for a 226 continental (forklift, has orbital valve too!) ya think that would work out ok?
Whattya think, should I buy a clutch for the 304, or go the cheap road and throw in the 258??
thanks

IMO

Not a good idea:barf:

But if it makes you happy:flipoff2:

Go 4 it!!

Well, I dunno crap about the IH V-8's yet...but my buddy had a Scout II with a 258 and it ran like a raped ape. Lots of mods for that motor also.

the ismail brothers ran a inline 6 in there race truck

258's are one of the better 6cylinders of all time

2nd gear launches will be fine 258's make real good torque off idlethe

Originally posted by cornfedred
IMONot a good idea:barf:

I know that it would go better with the 304 in it , but.... I just don't have the $$$ to blow on a clutch right now, and the frost is alnmost out of the ground, so I gotta get it up an runnin soon!!

As far as the weight difference goes, any ideas ?? Try it how it is first and deal with it after the shizit is back together??. I think i'm gunna hold off on the propane for now, but i'm not sure since i need a tank anyways and that would cost more than the propane...... maybe i will do it sooner rather than later?? I guess it it the 258 and the 19 wide then, i'll see if I cant get it in this weekend and see how it goes. Also, IIRC it takes a special starter for the IH bellhousing??? all I gotta do is find one of them and hope the 258 aint stuck
thanks

Let me put it this way...

Current setup:
258 (factory)
t90 :barf: :barf: :barf:
d20
3.73's
33's

scrapping it all for
SBC 350 (rv style)
sm465
np205

Why? you ask... The crawl as of now blows enough :bender: to make felines extinct. The power on and off road sucks cant spin a tire if I rev it in low and sidestep the clutch (w/ hubs unlocked) in dirt... I HATE IT! No power no crawl and a carb that bogs to sh*t at a speedbump. Would I mess with something that works for more power? I AM! would I swap in less power HELL NO!

ALSO the 258 isnt any feather either. From weights I have seen of parts online I would say I am about the same weight with the chubby 'train as the IH 'train. :rolleyes:

Like I said, this swap isnt really by choice, just that the clutch is too much $$ right now. I have a 345, t19 in my 76 and love it, more power than I can put to the ground!!!! The 76 is for sale, and I need somthin to wheel, so unless I can find a usable disk in the junkyard soon, it is gunna have to be the 258. If I was doin the swap based on what I want, it would be gettin a BG 265!!!!!! Now that is a fawkin powerhouse, idle over anythin, and I think I could make it go..... With a 19 wide, damn that would be a combo, but talk about weight. It seems that i just cant get a V8 to work on the trails for me though, a little skinny pedal and I break traction, where as w/ the 6, I never need to give it any. Anyone ever swaped in a BD/ BG?
thanks

my motor manual says the 258 weighs 425lbs

a 304 is like 700 with the gear all on

why a inline 6 cant spin the tires has more to do with why it sputters over speed bumps then lack of power in all 258's

i'v seen 258's with clifford reasearch headers and offy intakes and a nice cam smoke stock v8's both on the road and off

in there stock form running well they are good reliable power

running like shit they are right there with every other motor in need of a tune-up .

thanks for the weight info, I thought it was some where around ther for the 304, but supprised how light the 258 is. Any one got any ideas on the weight of a BG 265???

Originally posted by Klasick68
thanks for the weight info, I thought it was some where around ther for the 304, but supprised how light the 258 is. Any one got any ideas on the weight of a BG 265???


The bg 264 is heaver then the 304 not shur on how much

the 264 is a grate motor very well built and way tourquy it will kick an 258 in the ass any day, a low reving motor but will climb you up anyting with ease and a grate pulling moter for it's displacement. If I ever had to choes a I-6 it whould be that one.

They have a $HIT load of weaght flying in there botem end like a ton of weight


I also love my 304 and whould not give it up for anting unless its a 345 or 392.


Just stick with an IH enging you cant go wrong unless you buy one thats allredy baged


HTH

Yea, I always get the BD 265/ BG264 thing wrong, same w/ the BD240/ BG241. I have a 241 in my 1100, and it seems to have way more power below 1K than even my 345 does. The crawling abilty is amasing (no throttle, , even w/ a 3spd in aheavy 1100 it would crawl over anything. The only problem is that to put one in, I am back to buying a clutch again. I can get a 264 out of a PU for next to nothing, and hope to go that road, maybe it has a good clutch disc!!!!!!!!!!!. I think that i would have to use a new front crossmember to mount it w/ though, also the length might be close, Def have to relocate the Radiator, but to where???
For some reason I have hard time getting power out of a SV at idle, but I think that has more ot do w/ the junk holley 2bbls than anything else. Even the 345 tends to stall on real steeps w/o more throttle, and it has a brand new carb on it. That , and the clutch price was my reasoning on ditchin the 304. Now I am not sure what to do. W/o a doubt, the 264 is what I really want, but I gotta get this beast together
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yeah them hollyes carbs are junk go with a ford Motocraft 2bb they rock off road i got one and love it


what about going to the wreckers and geting a clutch? not the rite ansewer but it'l get you by for some time till you got the $$$ for a new one



hay got pis of your IHs?

I'm runnin a used clutch in the 76 w/ the 345, and it slips alot (wasnt all that worn, think it might be the pressure plate. I had a kickass 12" setup from my 68 1200, cept that the metal part of the disc was so rotted that I think it would break if I used it. Almost all of the other discs I have from all the junks suffer from plow truck syndrome (sagging mounts, causes slip, destroys the clutch) I have a few marginal discs that I could use (barley any of the rased portion left, but no rivots yet) I gotta make up my damn mind quick so I can get it done this weekend. The other idea I had was to use the friction material off a chev disc, rivot it on to the IH center and go with it, think it would work?
thanks

Originally posted by Klasick68
The other idea I had was to use the friction material off a chev disc, rivot it on to the IH center and go with it, think it would work?
thanks


I dont see why it whould not work but ask in gen 4x4

Looks like the 304 might be goin back in, damn, just when I thought I had myself convinced:) WTF!!!!

did you find a place that does the rebuild???

Not yet, workin on it though, Since I go to school in ME, and live in NH, between the 2 states I oughta be able to find somthin somewhere, though. If I do put in the 304, I guess I gotta borrow a wrecker for a few hours since the weight of that , a t19, and d20 is just too much for the old tractor. I kant wait to get da beast back together!!!!
thanks

what all went out????


Clutch discs are cheap.... ~$30 IIRC, you will have WAY more than that into ANY motor swap.... garentied, unless you have TONS or misc crap laying around and don't value your time....


Pull the tranny ($20 to rent a proper jack). Have the Fly-wheel resurfaced (~$10-$15) and slap a new disc in... Yes, the PP would be nice to replace, but you can to that later when you can get a new one.


Adjust it properly and you *should* be good for *atleast* 10K, if not more.


Unless your magic fab boy, Know Way your putting an I-6 (which requires diffrent mounts/tranny etc) in there under $50-$100.....



how can you NOT afford $100 to get your truck running again??

I have all the stuff to put the 258 in, bought it when gas was real bad last year. I know that $100 aint much, but I got so many projects goin, all need $$, I was just lookin for a cheap way out. I think I am just gunna sell some shiat and buy a disk, seems like the way to go. I already ripped out the motor and trans, so Now I think it might be easier th bolt it together and then throw the whole assy back in.

I know this might be considered blashpemy, but tough.

If you've already got the 258, why not throw in an AMC 360? Change a motor mount, reroute your fuel line and bolt everything back up??

I could do the 360, cept for one thing, the balacne on the flywheel. I have a 304 one, but that isnt balanced for a 360. I had a 360 bolted into a 6 cyl SII for a few days, before someone warned me about the whole balance thing. External balancing is a pain!!!!! I think there are a few 401 scouts out there, so it is definentally doable. The only thing other than the flywheel I would need is some manifolds (the headers I got don't fit in a scout , the driver's side runs right into the clutch linkage) I have been looking for a 360 flywheel for another project for a long time, but havent been able to find one. Are 401's internaly balanced??