Land Cruiser Axles instead of Mini-Truck ones

[ammelk]

Ok, why not, I know there has to be a good reason behind this one..is this just to <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> to even think about, or is it worth the effort. I can get either ones for some $$$ and <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> .. So I can't decide other than the fact that if i wait i can get soem mini-t's w/ ARB's and 5.29's for
oh well.. so anyone have any ideas...
-Thanks,
ADam and Mary C.
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[fatkid]

ARB's with 5.29's, emmmmm..GET IT!!!!

[toyzilla]

Sounds good to me! I don't see why you couldn't use LC axles.

[Gozuki]

Seen it, nearly the right offset, just HEAVY...I wonder if 44s are lighter?

[Rudezuk]

The rear of a LC is a D44...

[0ILBURNER]

L.C. axles have larger R&P so you lose a little more ground clearance at the chunk than with pickup axles.
But with P/U axles, you got to deal with the centered rear diff.
If you can get a "deal" on the pickup axles I would think you would be ahead... <IMG SRC="smilies/glasses.gif" border="0">

Go ahead & plan to build yourself a traction bar - you'll need one.

[Toygeek]

LC rears are NOT D44's, the are LC 9.5". IMO the hottest setup would be LC f/r with front minitruck axle birfields and disk brakes, and you'll definitely want to swap to disks in the rear, unless you just LIKE dealing with 2 cylinders per wheel (PIA). This is what most of the hard core LC guys run. Works very well. They aren't much heavier than the minitruck parts, AFAIK and they are beefier. But, you do lose a little ground clearance over the MT parts. <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> That's what bigger tires are for <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Also, there are more gearing options for the MT axles but you can get low gears for the LC's if you look hard enough, just more $$.

LC axles go under Heeps <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0"> in South Africa all the time. They're considered an upgrade from the stock Jeep axles.

[ammelk]

I was thinking about using the LC Axles because of the offeset, and do the Disk brakes at all four corners, But Yeah Fatkid, the MiniT axles w/ the ARB's are tempting..You just want someone else to run them so you can brag about how you turned someone your way..LOL... <IMG SRC="smilies/devil.gif" border="0">
I was just wondering if anyone has run the LC, I dont' know much about them does anyone know if they're 30 spline like the Mini'Ts axles are?
thanks again Guys.
Adam and Mary C.
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[fatkid]

it's not my way your going, it's the smart way. Believe me if I see a set up I think works better I'd have no problems switching. I know people want to be different but come awnnn, why fight when it works. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[0ILBURNER]

BEWARE: All L.C. axles are Not created equal. Don't recall exactly what the deal is, but some of the earlier ones are junk - guys on the L.C. board could probably help with that info. (something about the spline count maybe?) <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Forget the LC's, I going to go with high pinion 60's front and rear full width. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[Toygeek]

Earlier LC axles are coarse splined- 10 spline I think. Those are by no means junk but not as desireable as the later (77 and up, I think) fine splined axles which are 30 spline and much stronger. Under a sammy I think either one would be fine. Just get 30 spline axles and forget about worries. The only downfall is that the rears are c-clip axles whereas the MT axles are not, they are semi-floating with a bearing retainer.

[ammelk]

I already did that part, from talking w/ guys in my tacoma club that have LC's they say stay away from the 60'S and early 70's, everything after 75 is ok, but 76 and on have front disks, The guy that wants my welding help and time for his are out of a 80.
They should be sweet, I'll just have to figure out how to set the up and cost,
but a friend w/ a 85 efi single cab wants to go to 60's Ft & Rr, so he'll sell me for time, a little money and beer, w/ ARB's its proably the way to go, I just don't want to dump money into the stock Axles and end up being pissed because of money and time spent, and the possiblity of not handling the stuff me and the wife want to do,
33's look so small on zuk axles anyways..LOl.
wow <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> that was long.
-Adam and Mary
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[ammelk]

High Pin 60's.. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">.WOOOOOOOOOOHhhhhhha hahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAHA HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....

Good one Fatkid.. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[dumb]

Kevzuki,
has (had?) LC's under his truck (with 35s). since I last spoke with him he was looking for mt's to put in. The kid switches stuff up just for the sake of switching though. I believe the LC's are narrower and a heck of a lot heavier (think small motor turning big diffs and more weight). The offset is almost perfect though. 5.29's and locked?! I can believe you're even asking!
I would go with the MT's, just my .03 CDN (which is .02US!)

Then again I didn't want to be a follower so I did things a little differently! <IMG SRC="smilies/vader1.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Wait I going to go big on this one, 2 1/2 ton Rockwells. Get it!! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[ammelk]

I got you beat...
5TON Military
AIRCRAFT LOADER
AXLEs... <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
so there... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

LOL...

[fatkid]

Get it!! What are you going to run for gears? Tell me how it goes, I may go with your set up when my stuff fails.. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

I think there comes a point when if you can't get it within reason just go home..
anyone here broken there Toy stuff yet? Aside from width where is strength an issue with mini truck toy running gear?

[ammelk]

I'll tell you where to get my set up <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">, Really though I have never seen any of the 7 or 8 guys out this way w/ toy funning gear be it miniT or LC Axles break anything other than shock mounts w/ crappy welding....
I just figure there was something I was over looking, like the diff. in Diff Size and height. I didn't know that the LC's were pig iron compared to MiniT axles.. but heavier is beefier <IMG SRC="smilies/question.gif" border="0"> right <IMG SRC="smilies/question.gif" border="0">

oh well...Here's looking at you fatkid
<IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">. ok maybe i should stop this before he gets pissed.....?,.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: ammelk ]

[scwafish]

Im pretty sure Rick at OTT uses an LC rear in his lwb. If your use an 86 or later rear mt axle and shorten one side about 3 inches it will be about the same width as a front solid axle and give you an offset pumpkin that is close to spot on and eliminates most driveshaft problems.

[ammelk]

I've thought about shorting a late model MT axle, but I can't find any shops up here in the PNW that would do it. let alone a cost, So I gave up. and started thinking about all my other options. and now that theese two options have come down to it, I just have to research , research, research... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">.. and more re-search unitll my head blows.
_ADam and Mary C.
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[mas2]

I have a Toyota truck rearend right now, but I hate the angle of the driveshaft. That is why I am going to install my Tacoma rearend that is offset in two weeks.

mike

[StomperZUK]

Crawling out from under my rock here...

First of all i guess i should say what's up!... I've been a lurker for awhile and finally registered <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Been on the various ZUK email lists forever... Guess i should have looked around some more, cause i just noticed there is another fellow that goes by stomper_zuk?? Oh well <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Anyway, been discussing the yota axle deal off & on for a while now with several folks...

Here is a link to a page that has some good info about yota axles as related to ZUK's...

http://root.moose.ca/~zukinugen/axles.html

BTW, LC & MT axles ARE lighter than d44's

I have a set of FJ60 axles(70mm wider than FJ40's) i am going to put under one of mine... Though i haven't decided if i am gonna use the front or go to a MT front so i could run a High Pinion diff.

I think though, the ultimate yota in a zuk setup would be a set of FJ80 axles...

Just my 2 pfennig worth... <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0">

[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: StomperZUK ]

[poppycock]

i was planning on running landcruiser fj40 or 50 axles... they're too skinny and the ring gear is 9.25". with the fj80's i think the birfiels are real expensive... but your get a 61" axle <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">. also the mini truck axles have the birfield eliminator kit... so if strength is an issue get that and it's bulletproof. im going to try running 38.5x16 tsl on my toy axles. if the birfields can't handle it im going to the 297x ujoints. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Originally posted by StomperZUK:
<STRONG>Crawling out from under my rock here...

First of all i guess i should say what's up!... I've been a lurker for awhile and finally registered :rolleyes

[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: StomperZUK ]</STRONG>

What's up, there ya go!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Now where was I, O ya how availible is the FJ stuff compared to the mini truck stuff? What's the difference on the price? And is it worth the time and money?

[0ILBURNER]

I broke a Toy pickup Birfield at Disney, but it was my own fault - I was backing down a gnarly obstacle with my wheels turned to the left, and rolled a Big rock up into my pass. side wheel-well where it bound the axle. KER-SNAP! If I'd had a spotter it never would have happened.

I was 'wheeling with another guy who had Toy pickup axles under his rig & he had a spare axle so I was up & running in no time. BTW, he had broken one before, too soit Can be done....

Of course, there is always the RedLine kit. I would think it would be indestructable under a Samurai.

[Rudezuk]

That is what im hoping for with D44's!!!

[ammelk]

First off, Hi to the new Stomper_Zuk,
and I have looked into FJ80 Axles, wider is better in some folks books, But w/ moving back east in a year or so, I've got to keep it in a ways to make it legal to drive out there, and around in Philly-town, Along w/ MiniT's and FJ40/60's can be had for pretty cheap now days as everyone and there brother goes to d44's or Fatkids( <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> ) HP D60's.. ala wider is better.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I have the feeling after looking at everything, I'm going to have to see what I can find for cheep and them just worry about the money to build or buy the built ones,
MT's have more Clearece, the LC's have bigger RP's there is just so many trade offs, and alot of pluses for both, Thanks for all the info, I have the feeling though since MiniT axles are already SPOA and almost bolt right in w/ slit modes to spring location (unless some wants to speak up and tell about there install, hink hink fatkid)
Thanks again Guys.
-ADam and Mary C.

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[fatkid]

Pop'n a bir is a good thing, if that doesn't go what will? Chances are something harder to fix and more cash. Besides that Birs are cheap, and you can change in no time.

[fatkid]

ammelk, the swap is pretty straight forword. I think even you could do it.. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[StomperZUK]

Hey fatkid.. ha ha you crack me up...
right back at ya <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/flipoff.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

ammelk, you are correct, there is a sh*t load of options to consider. Just a short list....

FJ40: both offset, narrower than the rest ~55", older ones had 4drums, big diff=lower hanging housing, easy to weld on housing. FF rear available. Birf. eliminator kit avail., bolt on Hy-steer.

FJ60: same as above but wider ~59" and all have disc front.

MT: roughly 55.5" wide, rear is centered though, smaller diff=less dragging housing. Can use high pinion diffs. again, easy to weld on.

D44: Many different widths, can make 62",63.5,65,67.5,68.75,69" using different STOCK axle shafts. Not so easy high steer. custom built any way you want=$$$$$$!
Shade tree=still some $$$ just not as many as dynatrac's... If you use waggy front, deal with weld on cast housing for spoa and/or wider hanger mount position.

D60: Overkill$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

more pfennig's to ponder...

[poppycock]

i'd gie the d60 some thought <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

[KEVZUKI]

I ran LC axles for a day and them swapped them out. They are too big and you will loose alot of ground clearance. right now I run 84 toy pickup axles on 16/35/15 boggers and it is a great setup.Scout dana 44s are also another great swap . <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep2.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Do you have to turn the knuckles for the Scout swap?

[ammelk]

ammelk, the swap is pretty straight forword. I think even you could do it..

Geez Thanks Fat kid. I'm pretty sure I'm going to the MT's its just a deal I can't turn Down, not its just the money to pay for them... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">.. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
-ADam C.
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[fatkid]

I'm pretty sure you'll like it.

[ammelk]

I'm sure I will.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
-ADam C
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