:confused: Hey there, got some questions: Any one knows if it´s possible to weld the connection part of the A-Bar Balljoint onto a Salilsbury out of a Series Landrover? Want to convert a Sailsbury Rear Axles to Coilsprings and rear radiusarms. Coilspring mounting plate is no big deal as well as the link for the radius arms, but how about the Cast iron Diffcase?? I know there are special Cast iron welding stuff but its still a lot of strenght which works on that while offroading ...
Any Help? any advise??
Thanx and all the best for New Year comming..
Hannes

Hmmm, seem to recall that the width is significantly different....

Pendy, Revor, PT, anyone.....

series salsburies are narrower than their coil sprung counterparts. Also have the 6 bolt drive flange compared to the coils 5 bolt. Not sure why youd want to go to the trouble. Sell the series axle, buy a defender coilsprung axle.

Ike has the correct answer.

However, with respect to welding to the housing, IIRC, it is cast steel and not cast iron. Many folks weld new tubes into place with little to no concern for the welding issues. If it were so difficult, nowhere near as many folks who re-tube 60s would be doing it in their backyard garages with buzz boxes!

If I'm mistaken about the material, I'm sure the other Keith will chime in, but based upon discussions he and I have had on this topic, I doubt he'll disagree with the ease with which they are welded.

PT

Buy a D110 salisbury. Lots of them coming out of ones from canada.

Yeah, the Series Sals is 6" narrower then the coil version. You wont have room to mount the springs with the Series sals.

Yupp thats sound slike what i was expecting, the bolds would be the problem too. I´m looking for the narrow axleds as possible because I´m converting to portal axles and need the axle as short as possible. The Portals build so wide that put on the standart coilsprung disc brake axle will widen the track for more than 7"! On to the Standarts! But it looks like i need to go that way. Thanks a lot folks, great that quick answers!!!
hannes from good old germany

Yupp thats sound slike what i was expecting, the bolds would be the problem too. I´m looking for the narrow axleds as possible because I´m converting to portal axles and need the axle as short as possible. The Portals build so wide that put on the standart coilsprung disc brake axle will widen the track for more than 7"! On to the Standarts! But it looks like i need to go that way. Thanks a lot folks, great that quick answers!!!
hannes from good old germany

Hannes, the series Salisbury is 6" narrower as stated, but only on the long side. The short-side axles are the same between series and 110. IMO it is not very much work to modify a series salisbury to fit under a coiler, especially if you are keeping the width the same.

I take it you are using Maxi-Drive portals? Sounds like a great project, do you have any pics of your truck? You are in Berlin aren't you?

Hey ben, your right it goes for Portals, but not the maxidrive ones. Its a set which was build for Rover by RD Stevenson who build the AG rovers, agrecultural machines. This set bolts directly onto the Axletube and puts the driveflanges lower down. but the track will widen for more than 7", and trying to keep the wheels as close as possible by the bodywork means taking the shortest axle as possible. So how to get the series axle conectet with the balljoint and the radius arms? Welding the mounts for the radiusarms and the springmounts isn´t to bad, but how about the balljoint? I could take the balljoint mount from a Disco I Axle and weld this onto the Sailsbury, but how much strength will go on theis point??
When i´m done with this i´ll post some pics, promis. Greetings and happy holidays
Hannes

Hey ben, your right it goes for Portals, but not the maxidrive ones. Its a set which was build for Rover by RD Stevenson who build the AG rovers, agrecultural machines. This set bolts directly onto the Axletube and puts the driveflanges lower down. but the track will widen for more than 7", and trying to keep the wheels as close as possible by the bodywork means taking the shortest axle as possible. So how to get the series axle conectet with the balljoint and the radius arms? Welding the mounts for the radiusarms and the springmounts isn´t to bad, but how about the balljoint? I could take the balljoint mount from a Disco I Axle and weld this onto the Sailsbury, but how much strength will go on theis point??
When i´m done with this i´ll post some pics, promis. Greetings and happy holidays
Hannes ( snowy out here brrrrr!)

...why do I read the spelling faults always afterwards???...

Hey ben, your right it goes for Portals, but not the maxidrive ones. Its a set which was build for Rover by RD Stevenson who build the AG rovers, agrecultural machines. This set bolts directly onto the Axletube and puts the driveflanges lower down. but the track will widen for more than 7", and trying to keep the wheels as close as possible by the bodywork means taking the shortest axle as possible. So how to get the series axle conectet with the balljoint and the radius arms? Welding the mounts for the radiusarms and the springmounts isn´t to bad, but how about the balljoint? I could take the balljoint mount from a Disco I Axle and weld this onto the Sailsbury, but how much strength will go on theis point??
When i´m done with this i´ll post some pics, promis. Greetings and happy holidays
Hannes ( snowy out here brrrrr!)

Hannes:
Talk to Revor about the flange for the swivel ball. He and I have discusssed this very topic (I have a pair of D60s that someday might get made into a Salisbury). Worst case, new flanges could be made that would allow for enough engagement to ease your concerns.

Pendy also has much experience in this area and is more knowledgeable than I on the means by which the originals are welded to the axle tube.

PT

Might be best to fabricate a bridge from axle tube to axle tube, across the cast housing. Typical of the way others mount the upper links on Dana 60,s - I have seen many pics showing this in the General Tech forum of this bulletin board.

Hey ben, your right it goes for Portals, but not the maxidrive ones. Its a set which was build for Rover by RD Stevenson who build the AG rovers, agrecultural machines. This set bolts directly onto the Axletube and puts the driveflanges lower down. but the track will widen for more than 7", and trying to keep the wheels as close as possible by the bodywork means taking the shortest axle as possible. So how to get the series axle conectet with the balljoint and the radius arms? Welding the mounts for the radiusarms and the springmounts isn´t to bad, but how about the balljoint? I could take the balljoint mount from a Disco I Axle and weld this onto the Sailsbury, but how much strength will go on theis point??
When i´m done with this i´ll post some pics, promis. Greetings and happy holidays
Hannes ( snowy out here brrrrr!)

As John (Bush65) said above, the best idea would be to fabricate a bridge from axle tube-axle tube and include a ball-joint mount. Have a search in the General Tech section for people making 4-link suspensions on Dana 60's. You will get the idea. I'm sure that would be easier to get past the TÜV than a mount welded to cast iron.

I have seen the portals you are talking about, did you buy them from ebay UK? The biggest disadvantage I see with that design, is that the swivel balls (and CV joints) are on the outside of the portal box, not the inside (as with all other designs) - meaning the CV joint remains the weak link.

What are you doing on the front? Series III Stage 1 axle?

AFAIK the Agrirover portals were fitted to the 110". That would make the use of standard 110" axles fairly possible. If only you use the wheelarch extensions (eyebrows) from the 110".

Basically any welding to an axle tube is sth. the TÜV will not like - almost certainly if the welding line is cross the axle-tube axis, i.e. parallel to the radius-arms. Not that that´s something to put one off - Rover itself did lots of welding for all the brackets.

Wouldn´t it be possible to take a 110" rear Salisbury and cut the tubes to the desired length, then welding them together with a sleeving tube. The series-Salisbury halfshaft could thus be made to fit.


viel glück,
Hendrik

Wouldn´t it be possible to take a 110" rear Salisbury and cut the tubes to the desired length, then welding them together with a sleeving tube. The series-Salisbury halfshaft could thus be made to fit.


Only one side of the 110 salisbury is longer, the other side is the same (a defender has the diff centre 3" closer to the RHS of the chassis than a series III. So if you wanted to use SIII half-shafts, you would have to cut and move the trailing arm and shock absorber brackets 3" to the LHS, then make an offset a-arm (which the TÜV would probably like even less).

In Australia, welding on axles can be approved by the DOT (equivalent of the TÜV) if it is done by a certified welder. Is this possible with the TÜV???

Of course you could narrow the axle 3" either side, and get a special short-side halfshaft made.

with the raised height of the portals i wouldn't have thought you want them narrower. if the agrovers were made and approved would you not be able to use this as grounds for approval

cheers, serg

So, the solution which I came to looks like a compromis of all your pretty good Ideas, it gos like taking the 110" Rearaxle at first for checking out side angles, but maybe later to line up the rear axle with the front i would take a series III sailsbury and try the welding. Its correct that the 110 axles got the lefthand side longer than the series, i still also don´t know if i can bring the shockmounts to line up with the mounts on the chassie. We´ll see.
@ Isuzurover: The set of portals on ebay uk looked similar to mine, but was missing the halfshafts for a shorter axle type like the series axle. And it was designed for drumbrakes at the rear only i think. Don´t know if there were adapters for discbrakes.

@Landybehr: Wo kommst du her?? Beste Grüße

@ all: happy new year!
Thanks Hannes

Osnabrück (so in etwa).