I is done.

[ 09-21-2001: Message edited by: fatkid ]

Hmmm... Sounds like commercial advertising to me.

Just helping a friend out. Kerry is internetless so I'm the only way this stuff will get out.
Keith

3k miles apart,but real close design <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0">

The adapter will be featured in offroad.com on sean whites long wheel base rig on 35. that should be up next month if you don't beleive what your reading
Keith

Thanks for the news, Keith. You got any pictures you could post? Do you have Kerry's phone number?


Fatkid: you edited his original post to death before much useful info could be passed along. I didn't see it - could you give Keith some guidlines for posting? <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">

His number is 607 272 8799

No spam

Why would you want a toy case on a samurai if petroworks is coming out with a 6:1 GRS III this year? It's not like there is room on a samurai to run a dual marlin setup on a samurai . ..

The Toy case is stout, and the ability to run the double stack. The double stack is a whole lot cheaper than the Klune on top of it all. My question would be why wouldn't you?

it's also a whole lot stronger. i can't find 1 good reason why you wouldn't run dual toy cases.

it's also a whole lot stronger.

HUh. yeah what poopy said.... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">.

ya what ammfreak said. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

the biggest and best reason aside from the fact that it is way stronger than a sammy case is that if you get toy diffs under there you don't have to worry about that whole offset thingy!! That's why I'm gonna be one of the first to buy these things....then I can get crazy gearing without slowing down my two-wheel drive like in sammy cases!!!!!

the output flange on my dual case is with in an inch or two of where the stock sammy flange

sorry---forgot to say
I am sure Kerry's set up is very similar

you could just run an offset ifs rear end like me. of course it's not really a hassle when it's already cut down and local. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> i could run a toy tcase with this rear end and it would work fine.

I'm not sure about what guide lines I'm under for posting but. Kerry has made an adapter for both turbo and six cylinder trannys and the 4 banger. Both adapters are mde of billet aluminum and come with all the nessisary hardware to bolt them up to the tracker sidekick bell housing. both adapter were made using CAD programing. He is also has atwin stick set up that work awsome the shifting is so positive. If you want any more info give kerry a call he is a very nice guy and would be more that happy to answer any and all of you question. 607 272 8799

I made the rear case a split H like the grs boxes
think 3 levers sufice

SOS---I like the idea of using the stronger Yota cases in a dual configuration....is it divorced or directly mated to the Sami transission?. 4.0x4.0=16 reduction....or 4.7x4.7=22 deduction. That's some reduction. The Sami is a little short on wheelbase at 80" so if the rear axle could be moved back about 5~8 inches and the wheelwell cut straight back to give it that "ARCA" look.....then a hell of a capable rig that can creep up Sledge with no stalling might happen. Let's see....a 16 reduction in the case with stock 3.73 gears is about 216:1.....that's a nice number for the Hammers and such. (I used to have a Sami with 103:1 gearing and it was still not low enough for the real slow stuff.) I look forward to seeing some pics of this new venture,SOS. Could be a real winner.

The set up only winds up been 3inches longer the the zuk drive train. and it bolts directly to the tracker/sidekick bell housing and is made out of one peice billet.
Keith
ZUK are you the same ZUK from over on JU. I think I talked to you a year back about 1/4 eliptical suspentions.

Originally posted by fatDRM:
<STRONG>ya what ammfreak said. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

<IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> OH my GAWD.. Phatty Agreed w/ me... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">...

[ 09-24-2001: Message edited by: ammelk ]

Your right, O my gawd!

Watch out for this guy MR. SPAM, he posted a dual shifter for the toy 3days ago at $95, now it's $175 + S&H <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Go read the post on toy bb about the dual shifter, you won't belive his reply as to why it's almost double price!!!!! http://www.pirate4x4.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=008972

[ 09-24-2001: Message edited by: SeaBass44 ]

I had no idea there was all this skizm about the RingeR.........Hell I wasn't even on line yet. Kerry @ SOS

Originally posted by kerry1.6-toyota
I had no idea there was all this skizm about the RingeR.........Hell I wasn't even on line yet. Kerry @ SOS

Not your fault, Kerry. Your buddy just went about getting the word out in a "Spammy" kinda way. Tell everybody what you have made, and post pictures. Don't be vague - prove your product WORKS.

Oil, I'll just let sleeping dogs lie. Plenty of people on this and other BB's know about the RingeR and with that Samyota build-up featuring it in the next installment on Off-Road.com, I'll leave well enough alone........Camo and Fatkid aren't real "fans" of mine and I try to keep a low profile here when it comes to SOS, I don't need to get tossed off this BB for not following the rules, like I found out in the past. Kerry

hard to tell you learned anything.........:D

Bobaki ,Bobaki, Bobaki.......So many words to say, so little content to convey...............................

A very poetic slam
for one accused of spam

HaHaHa
:beer: Bob :smokin:

Originally posted by fatkid
No spam

Gee, fatboy you turning down free food?
SPAM - it's not just for eating any more.

The Absolut SPAMtini

1 Can SPAM
4 oz. Absolut Vodka

Throw em together in a blender on PUREE.

Drink it like a MAN.

Throw raw eggs in for a lighter taste...

:beer: Bob :smokin:

You Forgot the Tabasco :smokin:

Doggonit! I KNEW I was missing something! On a "fishing" trip last summer, somebody brought "SPAM LITE". The ingredients list included "Mechanically Separated Chicken". In SPAM. Which is an acronym for SPiced hAM. What the hell is CHICKEN doing in SPAM, and how the hell do you "mechanically separate" a chicken? Do you drive your Sami over it, and pick out the soft parts??? :barf:

:beer: Bob :smokin:

Originally posted by Bobzooki
Doggonit! I KNEW I was missing something! On a "fishing" trip last summer, somebody brought "SPAM LITE". The ingredients list included "Mechanically Separated Chicken". In SPAM. Which is an acronym for SPiced hAM. What the hell is CHICKEN doing in SPAM, and how the hell do you "mechanically separate" a chicken? Do you drive your Sami over it, and pick out the soft parts??? :barf:

:beer: Bob :smokin:

Pad, pad, pad... Boy, some people will do just about anything to get over that 100 post mark, huh? :rolleyes: Fawkin' newbies. :flipoff2: ~Steve

Originally posted by squirrelman83


Pad, pad, pad... Boy, some people will do just about anything to get over that 100 post mark, huh? :rolleyes: Fawkin' newbies. :flipoff2: ~Steve

No question about it. Everybody knows newbies are IDIOTS... less than 50 to go!!! :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

:beer: BoB :smokin:

Shotguns are mechanical right??? :D

Originally posted by tZUKnami
Shotguns are mechanical right??? :D

What kind of idiot newbie question is that? :flipoff2:

:beer: bOb :smokin:

What kind of idiot answers a rhetorical question??? Or if I should ask another should I state that it is a rhetorical question??? Help a brother out, I'm new at this... :flipoff2: :D

Dont know if this is spam, but can someone tell me how much the SOS adapter costs?

:D

if I remember right the SOS adaptor is about $600 ~ I went with the OTT sidekick to toy t-case adaptor instead. I didn't like the idea of having to get the clutch disc machined, shift fork modified etc. just my .02:p

The shift fork does not need modification. This adapter bolts in between the bellhousing and the Toy tranny. The Ott Kick set up gives you 1.8 ratio, the SOS adapter allows for a 2.28 - 4.70 ratio, and with the addition of a dualcase adapter you can then double that to be anywhere from a 5.20 - 22.0 ratio. Toy components are stronger than Kick and Sammi. No core is required for the SOS adapter and last but not least...............The pricing is significantly lower than the Ott Industries product.

I didn't like the idea of having to get the clutch disc machined, shift fork modified etc.

You dont have to machine anything, I got my clutch from clutchshop.com ready to go, toy hub, kick disc. The shift fork...:confused: The only thing that needs to be tweaked is the plastic lining in the throw-out bearing. I did it with a small sanding drum on my drill press, it took at least 5 minutes! :rolleyes:

People on this board love to bag on Kerry, and yeah, his East Coast style is different, but his adapter is probably the highest quality aftermarket peice I've ever bought, his service was awesome, and he was a funny dude on the phone. As far as I'm concerned thats what its REALLY all about!

I wasn't "bagging" on Kerry. I've talked to him before and I agree he is a very nice guy and from what I can tell his products are first rate. just that in my OPINION the OTT setup was better ~bolt a Toy t-case to it and bolt it in "waa laa" dual t-cases w/ lots of gearing options~:D when I talked to Kerry he said the shift fork had to be modified and you needed to "talk someone into" machining your clutch disc

Scwafish, Thanks for the PROPS and I'll send that $20 to you Fed-Ex tommorrow...............I can't believe that you believe every word that you write about my products........you are the wind beneath my wings. Now if you could just realign the planets and get me some west coast manners, it would be greatly appreciated...............traction would help too..........Oh I'm begging again. Kerry

bb88...............You gotta get off those drugs SCOTT .................................................. .................................................. ...........................................

For what its worth Kerrysan I enjoyed talking to you on the phone and feel like I am talking to a different person on the board.......................:flipoff2: :D

:confused: Scott :question: who's Scott:question: as to the drug thing my Bishop tells me the same thing!!:beer: :beer: :smokin:

I tend to take issue with people giving me the finger............probably overly sensitive, which then effects my "social" skills online. Kerry

"You gotta get off those drugs Scott" is a line from a skit by the Jerky Boys.

Hi Guys

Well again it’s been awhile but I must say something here. Hey 1.6 or who ever you are get your facts right do you know how much the OTT adapter is? I believe the costs are quite similar are they not? As far as the toy t-case being stronger than the Sidekick check your shaft and gear sizes not to mention the fact that finding a Toy W56 that does not have at least 200000 miles is almost impossable where as Sidekick trannys are a dime a dozen. Now for gear options the Kick case has a 6-1 option plus what ever you would like to put in the Toyota case oh ya and I guess one of the more important facts the OTT kicker is a doubler that’s right 2 t-cases for the same cost WOW what a deal and you can still put another toy case in there if you like 3, 3, 3 cases in one. As far as quality goes well we are the machine shop and control all our products and how there made, You? I’m not trying to be mean just want people to have the facts on our stuff.

W56's came out of 85-95 22RE Toyotas. I'm willing to bet there are more Toy PU's and 4Runners around from that 10 year period than sidekicks to pick and choose from in junkyards. And if you can find the vehicle in the yard, it'll have the correct T-case in it. Just find a 4-banger that's EFI.

Also, I'm not certain, but the G52 (Non-EFI 84-88 Toys) should work as well. You can swap one for the other in a Toyota, but Kerry woud have to tell you wether or not the G52 will work with his adapter.

Originally posted by Yota_san
W56's came out of 85-95 22RE Toyotas. I'm willing to bet there are more Toy PU's and 4Runners around from that 10 year period than sidekicks to pick and choose from in junkyards. And if you can find the vehicle in the yard, it'll have the correct T-case in it. Just find a 4-banger that's EFI.

Also, I'm not certain, but the G52 (Non-EFI 84-88 Toys) should work as well. You can swap one for the other in a Toyota, but Kerry woud have to tell you wether or not the G52 will work with his adapter.

Rick never said that the trannies were hard to find..... he just said they are hard to fing with low km's on. I just picked up a kick tranny and t-case at the wrecker with about 20k on it from a 94 and it was only 350 canadian and there were tonnes to choose from. They are all over the place here in vancouver... and the application is like 90 and up tranny and t-cases, so you don't have to really worry about high km's. I'm not a tech person.. but I'm sure a toy tranny is stronger... but if your running a kick motor why bother with a stronger tranny? I've never heard of a kick tranny failure ever.. they are proven for that motor. I just see the OTT as a better setup... and that's why I phoned rick today to order one. I'd rather spend my money locally on one adaptor rather than spend more money on two adaptors from far away places. I'm not saying the sos setup isn't cool, I like it, but it all boils down to money and the availability of the product here in vancouver, BC. I might have thought differently if down south.:beer:

i'm torn between ott's divorced toy adaptor and kerry's ringr. what to do, what to do.... :flipoff2: rick do you guys have thos divorced adators in stock and ready to go?

Geeez the tone is gettin ugly...I think when Kerry was talking about trannies being weaker, he was talking about sami trannies. The kick unit IS beefy, so beefy youve got to cut the tunnel just like a toy, so it seems like a wash to me and nothing more than a matter of personal preference.

WE SHOULD ALL TRY TO REMEMBER THAT AS ZUK PEOPLE WE ARE ALL IN THE MINORITY AND IT IS TOO SMALL OF A WORLD TO GO AROUND STOMPING ON EACH OTHER DICK$!!! IT IS A BLESSING THAT SO MANY DRIVETRAIN CHOICES EXIST.

hey sean im gonna call you tomorow if i get back into town early enough. i gotta see the ringr up close before i make my final decision. on a side note i finally got off my ass today and put in the 1.6 :eek: :eek:

Whats the first gear ratio, of the kick tranny?:D

Poppy, sounds good, I'll be fishing til about noon, then in the shop...the perfect man day!

Sorry to have ruffled some feathers........Ott makes an outstanding product. SOS is not here to upset anyone....just to offer an option. I have a Tracker which I switched out to a Toy tranny and t-cases, which is "my" preference and just wanted to share my adapter with those whom might want to do the same..........if we all did the same modifications , it would be boring...........I suggest that people should use the OTT adapter rather than SOS becuase it is at least an all Suzuki modification,,,,,,,,,,,,,, for the more adventurous.......take a look at the SOS setup! Kerry @ SOS

Like Nuttzack said, how much does the SOS adapter cost? If I already have an '87 (I think) Yota trans and T-case from a turbo 4 cylinder, would the SOS kit be cheaper (in my case) than the OTT kit? I know I'm just a nobody newbie, but what is SPAM? Not the almost edible SPAM! I'm new to a lot of this and am trying to understand it all.
Thanks

The SOS adapter is 399. you will need to get a new clutch disc as well.

there needs to be an initial order of 3 sos adaptors. once 3 of us line up 10 will be made. so if your interested we need to start gathering together. to get these things made.

Hmm... so the new OTT adapter mates a toy case to the reduction unit of a kick case?

So i could swap in my kick tranny, case and a toyota case, toss some spring perches on my kick axle, swap the 5.12's into the front pumpkin and go?? plus shafts and other nonsense.. but thats the gist of it right?

kick tranny, kick reduction unit, toyota tcase??

:D yup! that simple mini:D

Originally posted by RICK@OTTINDUSTRIES

RICK OTT SAID:
"Hey 1.6 or who ever you are get your facts right"

Hi Rick, I'm Kerry Wittig at SOS, You and I have spoken on the phone about your outstanding product line.

RICK OTT ASKED:
"do you know how much the OTT adapter is? I believe the costs are quite similar are they not?"

Yes Rick I do know the cost of your product-$465, I believe. Mine costs less, but I would agree similar.

RICK OTT SAID:
"Sidekick trannys are a dime a dozen."

If anyone is interested I have some of these "dime a dozen" trannies and t-cases, if you would like, they are a bit more than a dime, but hey, make an offer.

RICK OTT ASKED:
"As far as quality goes well we are the machine shop and control all our products and how there made, You?"

I agree that your workmanship is second to none, the workmanship of our products is also excellent as demonstrated by the reveiw and install which is being featured in the Off-Road.com article entitled "Samyota". By the way I would like to add that the author Sean White bought the RingeR, and infact paid 25% more than suggested retail, it by no means was supplied, donated or given to the project in return for 'exposure".

RICK OTT SAID:
"I’m not trying to be mean just want people to have the facts on our stuff."

Rick I don't think your being mean....but I don't feel that I in anyway changed, deleted or misrepresented your fine OTT INDUSTRIES products. If I in anyway suggested or insinuated that, I sincerly apologize and will now take my place on the sidelines. Kerry @ SOS

PS. I love these question and answer sessions!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by EMIEVEL
I have an '87 (I think) Yota trans and T-case from a turbo 4 cylinder
Well, if you have an 87, you have the hella-beefy R151 tranny and the 32-spline T-case. Kerry, will your adapter bolt to the R151?

If you can't get them to mate up for use in your sammy, I suggest posting an innocent "how much do a turbo tranny and tcase go for?" in the toyota section. I bet someone will make a fairly impressive offer.

Originally posted by Yota_san
Kerry, will your adapter bolt to the R151?


Yes, Part #S2T6 ...........That RingeR will bolt up to the "turbo" tranny, in fact that's the one I have in the Tracker! By the way Yota it's a 23 spline. Kerry @ SOS

Now if only it'd bolt to a 1.3L...

hey kerry, are you the guy with the black geo that was at the pocono trailfest?

dave

Originally posted by kerry1.6-toyota
By the way Yota it's a 23 spline. Kerry @ SOS
Whoops. Yeah. The G52 and W56 are 21 spline, and the turbo tranny (R151) is a 23 spline.

Originally posted by davefj40
hey kerry, are you the guy with the black geo that was at the pocono trailfest?

dave

Yes I am...............It's gone through a few rollovers and changes since then though! In fact today is bolt on the new tubing front clip day. Dave we're running a flat black FJ40 now also. Which truck were you?
Kerry @ SOS

i have a multi-colored fj-60, but i was the guy that borrowed the tubing cutter so i could fix my brakes and the unimog's brakes. really liked your rig, you gonna make the ramsey challenge?

dave

Thanks for the compliment.............Now I remember...the tube cutter Guy!!!!!..........Ramsey challenge??????????....might be interesting with a GEO Tracker and fun, maybe I should consider it!! Kerry

there was a guy with a sammy there last year on 44's, i think he went end over end on the m-trail.

dave