: Front Cover Breakage
ABrooks 01-07-2006, 03:29 PM Never heard of this happening before: Was helping a friend replace the oil cooler lines on his 97 D1. Went to install the PS fitting on the front cover and the bung on the cover broke off.:mad3: I don't see there being a solution beyond a new front cover. It broke cleanly with very little torque being applied. Anyone heard of this before or know of a solution beyond replacing a $450 front cover?
I love these trucks sometimes . . .
Tony
64rovr 01-07-2006, 03:39 PM Post pics of the broken piece, it will make it easier to determine if it can be repaired or not. I have not heard of this happening before, but it is not outside the realm of reasonable rover breakage.
Serious One 01-07-2006, 05:04 PM I've come to the conclusion that anything can be fixed.
It can't be *that* bad. :flipoff2:
Post up a pic...others smarter than I can tell you what you ought to do. :D
Serious One 01-07-2006, 05:13 PM Super Glue it back on!
Yup...like I said, let others smarter than me tell you what to do! :laughing:
Old Scout 01-07-2006, 05:16 PM Mine broke as well. $450 is cheap! I went to the bone yard and paid 200.00 for a used one. If I had more time I would of tig welded a bung on and screwed in a AN/JIC nipple.
SeaRover 01-07-2006, 05:48 PM do a search on sewer cap diff cover or some variant ;)
Old Scout 01-07-2006, 06:05 PM do a search on sewer cap diff cover or some variant ;)
What? He is talking about the engine's timing cover!
ProsQtor 01-07-2006, 08:46 PM No, I like it....sewer cap instead of the timing cover! :flipoff2:
Tony, were you playing with BST4x4's Disco again?
SeaRover 01-08-2006, 01:01 AM :emb2: :emb: :emb2: :emb: :emb2: :emb:
maybe i'll read the posts better from now on :flipoff2: he heh
Junkyddog11 01-08-2006, 03:27 AM That is not an uncommon problem. The correct tourqe for that oil line union to the timing cover is very low, like 15 nm (just beyond finger tight)
I doubt if you can fix the crack, I have yet to see one that is repairable.
If you can get one new for $450 I'd buy it. Used ones aren't that hard to come by. It's about a 4 hr job to fix if you know where you're going.
GET A SHOP MANUAL AND READ IT. Its cheaper than the shite you screw up by bashing on regardless
Matt Browne
Overland Engineering
ABrooks 01-08-2006, 08:07 AM GET A SHOP MANUAL AND READ IT. Its cheaper than the shite you screw up by bashing on regardless
Matt Browne
Overland Engineering
Have the manual, and as I said, there was very little torque being applied. The chunk that liberated itself is too small too weld back on. It's been towed to a shop to get it fixed quickly.
Glad to at least know this has happened before.
m016324 01-08-2006, 08:29 AM tony you are just too manly of a man.
-ben
Old Scout 01-08-2006, 10:21 AM That is not an uncommon problem. The correct for that oil line union to the timing cover is very low, like 15 nm (just beyond finger tight)
I doubt if you can fix the crack, I have yet to see one that is repairable.
If you can get one new for $450 I'd buy it. Used ones aren't that hard to come by. It's about a 4 hr job to fix if you know where you're going.
GET A SHOP MANUAL AND READ IT. Its cheaper than the shite you screw up by bashing on regardless
Matt Browne
Overland Engineering
Low tourqe spec or not it was a shitty casting.
ABrooks 01-08-2006, 02:32 PM Low tourqe spec or not it was a shitty casting.
OS, That's exactly the problem -- the flange is maybe only 1/4" thick.
Ben, :flipoff2: :p
Oh, the $450 is from the AB website. The owner sourced the oil cooler lines from Will Tillery, he's getting great pricing on genuine parts. I picked up a new window regulator for the lwb from him for what used ones are going for.
Junkyddog11 01-08-2006, 03:49 PM Low tourqe spec or not it was a shitty casting.
Yeah man....bad casting is not that uncommon (the BASS channel!) I've just seen too many broken covers from people reefing on them trying to stop an oil leak that is really just old oil lines. I'm not a big fan of that newer style front cover...period.
Matt Browne
Overland Engineering
Old Scout 01-08-2006, 05:28 PM I doubt if you can fix the crack, I have yet to see one that is repairable.
Matt Browne
Overland Engineering
If I had a TIG I bet I could fix it.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=223310&stc=1&d=1136766468
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=223311&stc=1&d=1136766468
ProsQtor 01-08-2006, 07:05 PM what engine?
Says 97 D1, and Virginia is mostly in the US, so probably (since he didn't specifically mention any odd engine install) a 4.0, wouldn't you say? :flipoff2:
Serious One 01-08-2006, 09:49 PM Says 97 D1, and Virginia is mostly in the US, so probably (since he didn't specifically mention any odd engine install) a 4.0, wouldn't you say? :flipoff2:
Good show Watson! :laughing:
Will you help me study for the M.A.T.? :D
ProsQtor 01-08-2006, 10:15 PM Good show Watson! :laughing:
Will you help me study for the M.A.T.? :D
Sure! Now lemme figger out what the hell that is, Mike! :flipoff2: EDIT: Analogies, schmanalogies :flipoff2:
I was just surprised that no one went off in a Pirate-appropriate way on that question before I read it....
If it is a 4.0 V8, I would just phone one of the UK specialists, llike RPI in norfolk. They must have loads of scrapped engines due to bores moving etc. Surely the postage to the us will be a lot less than the 450 dollar quote of a new part.
Junkyddog11 01-09-2006, 05:15 AM If I had a TIG I bet I could fix it.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=223310&stc=1&d=1136766468
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=223311&stc=1&d=1136766468
Yeah.....if you had a tig I'll bet you could fix it. Man that was an ugly cover. If it were my truck I try somtin' like that ...but on customers trucks I tend to use new parts. I don't even buy used covers any more as the "non rebuildable" oil pump scares me. When I rebuild a motor it gets a brandy new one. Strangely I haven't had anyone complain even when paying close to $850 for the "thin" cover as found on say a '96-7 P38 w/the 4.0.
Matt Browne
Overland engineering
ABrooks 01-09-2006, 06:51 AM Says 97 D1, and Virginia is mostly in the US, so probably (since he didn't specifically mention any odd engine install) a 4.0, wouldn't you say? :flipoff2:
Damn you're good, Andy . . .
Yup, 4.0. It's at a shop now as this was the owners only vehicle, the part is coming from AB apparently.
64rovr 01-09-2006, 12:21 PM If it is a 4.0 V8, I would just phone one of the UK specialists, llike RPI in norfolk. They must have loads of scrapped engines due to bores moving etc. Surely the postage to the us will be a lot less than the 450 dollar quote of a new part.
Maybe if you were in a real bind, but the 4.0 front covers have an internal non-rebuildable oil pump. Would you really want an oil pump out of a "scrapped" engine from RPI in your truck not knowing the history of it and knowing that theres nothing you can do about fixing it? Not me... $450 is cheap considering you are getting a new front cover and a new oil pump all in one.
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