Got the front end and coils underneath. Just have to figure out how to mount the panhard bar and hydraulic ram and the front will be done! Still waiting for disk brakes, orbital valve, and drivelines, but thats alright cause I still have to make fenderwells and rollcage. The front sits a couple inches higher, that is until I get a winch and raise the rear an inch or two. Got the tires mounted on the rims the other day only to find out that US Wheels sent me the wrong rims ( 3" backspace instead of 2", FUCKERS!), so I will be getting some spacers to keep the tires off the lower links. HOpe I am ready by Memorial weekend!

:smokin:

:D

:flipoff2:

:p

:D Last one I promise:flipoff2:

looks pretty killer... what is your final wheelbase gonna be?? And what motor are you running? Stock or 1.6?

Looks cool, keep us up on it...

Looking sweet!

what coils are those?

Originally posted by RudeZuk
what coils are those?


They look tiny...

Show me some pics of your links for the rear, is a 3-link?
- what did you use for material for your links?
- did you use heims all the way around?
- what are the springs rates for the coil your running?
- what type of steering are you going to run?
- did you do a sub-frame like the shaffer kit?
- What do you mounts look like for you links?
- how long is that front lower link?

:)

I still have the 1.3, but hopefully one of the guys around here can get me a deal on a 1.6 16 valve, soon!!! THe coils are QA1 from summit racing. THey are 14"x2.5" and the rates for the front are 150 and 130 for the rear. The rear is a 4-link and the front is a three link with panhard bar. The front and rear lower links are all 45" long and all the upper links are between 41-42". Would have been nice to keep them all the same length, but t-case got in the way of front and rear uppers. I didn't build a subframe cause that would have limited how long I made the upper links. All of the materials were purchased from spidertrax, cause they were cheapest I could find. All the mounting points are gusseted or going to be, but if there is one thing I could do all over again it would be to have plated the frame with some 3/16 or 1/4 plate were the mounts are. THe links are 1 3/8"x.250" and I used the threaded bungs that they sell instead of tapping the tube. ANd finally, yes, I used heims all the way around! THat was a mouthfull;)
I will take some pics of the mounts when I get home if ya want em fatty
THe steering was gonna be IFS, but now its gonna be fully hydraulic, as soon as my orbital valve come from Wagoner machine shop:smokin:

Sounds pretty cool....Isnt that a little soft of a spring rate?? Seams like you might want a little bit stiffer, since they will break in...and so it isnt so slinky?? Ive been looking at doing coils for a while now....keep up informed and post some more pics!
Looks good!

Quite the project ya got goin' on there :D
Lookin' Good!


Did you cut off your little bumpstops for the front end (knuckles)? Hope you're planning to replace them....

Unfortunately I'm an impatient fuck, so before I learned that those little things were bumpstomps the sawzall had already gotten to them:mad3: SO.....yes I will have to make some new ones otherwise I will be busting my knuckles off, huh?

After talking to Mike SHaffer and both Eddie and Tom at spidertrax, I decided to go with those rates. If they are too soft I will go with the 170#'s up front and move the 150#'s to the rear. Tom and Eddie told me that the green sammi on the suspension page of their website and also the silver one that they built, all run 150's up front and they work "awesome". Shaffer never told me what his coils were rated at, but they are the same ones I used. HEll, like it really matters when they cost 36$ and 30 minutes to change:rasta:

Thats alot better than 200 buck for a pair of leafs!!!

There are many of us looking Closely at doing coil conversions..:D

NuttZ: Those bumpstops are to keep your knuckles from turning past the point that your Birfields can handle:nuke: - I think some of the guys running the Longfields "ran the bolts all the way in on them" but if you're still running stock Birf's I would recommend tacking a piece of angle or something back on there - doesn't have to be all that strong (look at what was on there from the factory!)



Keep the pic's coming!

Thats alot better than 200 buck for a pair of leafs!!!
EXACTLY!!!!!

And to oilburner, I've got the longfields. Are you saying that if I simply thread the bolts on the knuckles all the way out I won't have to make a little mount for them to hit?

Here are some pics of my mounts fatty. The lower link mounts on the outside of the frame were constucted out of 1 1/2x3 box tube. I braced them pretty good and connected them together with some 1/4" plate on top of 'em. The mounts for the rear uppers were made out of 2x2 square tube which will get some bracing soon. Hope that helps get your imaginations flowing:flipoff2:

:)

:p

:smokin:

NuttZ:

The Toyota guy w/ the Longfields still had his factory bumpstops on his knuckles & axle housing. He ran the bolts all the way in, allowing for the maximum swing of the knuckles With the parts you cut off still on the housing
So I'm not sure if you are okay or not....

Maybe skip over to the Toy board & search or post?

What's up Nuttz? Lookin good. I am kinda worried about a couple things on your Zuk. First, I think your upper mount on the front axle is going to be toast. I think it may need some assistance from some more steel. The same about your upper link mounts on the frame(side shot). Just imagine jamming a ledge real hard, or slamming hard after a failed climb. Will they take it? Over and over and over...

Originally posted by twistedmetal
What's up Nuttz? Lookin good. I am kinda worried about a couple things on your Zuk. First, I think your upper mount on the front axle is going to be toast. I think it may need some assistance from some more steel. The same about your upper link mounts on the frame(side shot). Just imagine jamming a ledge real hard, or slamming hard after a failed climb. Will they take it? Over and over and over...

I guess we shall see...:)

I guess we shall see...

So are you agreeing with me, or you haven't decided, yet?

The link mounts look a bit light, but so is the Zuk. Not sure about the front link mount, I don't think it would work for me. But it's not my rig.:)

See, my problem is that I am still thinking along the lines of a #6400 Scout II(former rig). Even though I am building a Zuk now(and loving it!), I am still building it like it weighs #6400. I just think you USUALLY can't lose incorporating overkill into anything, even though it is making my Kick a little heavy. But the axle location mounts should not be a weak link or even a subject of doubt.
But I think you may be right, we'll just have to wait and see. I'll be happy to learn that everything works fine.
So keep us posted, Nuttz. When's the test drive?

When it comes to axles,links,and steering I am a firm believer in serious overkill. However whatever it is it has to be built right, I see some guys that use really heavy duty materials but still break cause of poor design. If theres a weak spot the trail will find it...

Originally posted by nuttzack
THe coils are QA1 from summit racing. THey are 14"x2.5" and the rates for the front are 150 and 130 for the rear

Hey nuttzack, what's the OD on those springs? As I understand 2.5 is their ID.... I just ran into a snag with plans to coil my fronts when I discoverd that I don't have room to fit 5" springs up there. Does it look like there will be any problems with twisting or binding of the springs since you don't have the coilover shock to guide it?

PS - Looks cool! :rasta:

If there is a weak spot, the trail will find it...

When you put it that way, it sounds kinda scary:eek:
But very true, I'm anxious to see it after the first run. And no pussy footin' either, Nutt. We want the real deal!

Hey, hey, hey now!! COme awn, it's not done yet! I said all the mounts will recieve some serious bracing! I too believe in overkill! I don't wanna be breaking on the trail, but we'll see right? I am not sure if 2.5 is inside or outside, but I'll check tommarow for ya. As for the springs binding or twisting without the coilover, check out Mike SHaffers rig, he has the same springs. I don't see any binding or twisting there!

It looks good and were interested in seeing how it works, we also pick up another white Sammy and it's going to get coils. Keep us posted...:)

Originally posted by nuttzack
After talking to Mike SHaffer and both Eddie and Tom at spidertrax, I decided to go with those rates. If they are too soft I will go with the 170#'s up front and move the 150#'s to the rear. Tom and Eddie told me that the green sammi on the suspension page of their website and also the silver one that they built, all run 150's up front and they work "awesome". Shaffer never told me what his coils were rated at, but they are the same ones I used. HEll, like it really matters when they cost 36$ and 30 minutes to change:rasta:



Nutt,
Mike's old rig had 130's all around, the kits have 150's F/R

oh, he never told me what he was runnin, but did tell me I could have any rate I wanted.

Originally posted by nuttzack
oh, he never told me what he was runnin, but did tell me I could have any rate I wanted.

How about 148 1/3 lbs:D

How about 138 and 1/3 lbs?

I think the 1/3 is WAAAAAY to much, you better back it off to about 1/16th lbs! :D

Originally posted by twistedmetal


I think the 1/3 is WAAAAAY to much, you better back it off to about 1/16th lbs! :D

your right 1/16th it is:rasta:

looking pretty damn cool:)
you are including the lower coil mounts that are welded to the axle tubes in your "things to be braced/gusseted" plans, right?
it just looks like the surface areas of the welds are very small and might lead to stress fatigue at the axle- maybe tearing at those spots?:beer:

Sorry, Nuttz. Not meaning to bash on you at all, just nit-pickin'. Hurry it up, and get that thing on the trail!

ITs all good buddy! Can't wait to see your's!!! I did alot of bracing and gusseting this weekend, on those mounts in question. I will post some pics tommarow or something so you guys can give me the big thumbs up, or down:flipoff2:
I was fuckin pissed on friday when I got home and saw that NOrthern TOol sent me the wrong hydraulic ram. THey sent me a 2x16:eek: :eek: , istead of a 2x8!!! THey will be gitting a call tommarow:mad3: Currently I am having some trouble figuring out where to mount the panhard bar. Anyone have some suggestions based on the pics I put up? I dont have many options on where to mount it, but I wanna hear what you guys think, so lets hear it?

Oh yeah, almost forgot OKCrawler. THe i.d. is 2.5 and the o.d. is 3 3/8 on the 130 lbs. coil and 3 1/2 on the 150 lb. er'

Originally posted by nuttzack
Oh yeah, almost forgot OKCrawler. THe i.d. is 2.5 and the o.d. is 3 3/8 on the 130 lbs. coil and 3 1/2 on the 150 lb. er'

Thanks nuttzack!
That would work perfectly! :D :D
Ummmmmm coils...... :rasta:

What are the part numbers and/or all specifications on the parts/hardware you ordered from Spidertrax (specifically for the front setup)? I'm trying to figure up a round about price... Thanks

You can go to there website for all the part #'s.

8 rod ends= $215
15 feet of 1.375x.25 dom tubing= $80 (unless you can get cheaper locally)
8 Threaded bung inserts= $55
16 misalignment washers= $ 35
Some grade 8 bolts,washers, and nuts from hardware store= $20
Grand total(estimate)= about or around $405

Originally posted by nuttzack
You can go to there website for all the part #'s.

8 rod ends= $215
15 feet of 1.375x.25 dom tubing= $80 (unless you can get cheaper locally)
8 Threaded bung inserts= $55
16 misalignment washers= $ 35
Some grade 8 bolts,washers, and nuts from hardware store= $20
Grand total(estimate)= about or around $405

Hmmm, did you engineer the suspension yourself, or did you pretty much copy the shaffer setup? I guess what I'm wanting to know is where can I get all of the specifics of this setup, so that I can maybe do this on my zuk? :D

That price seems pretty nice. :smokin:

Funny...Funny...Funny...

Originally posted by Dr. Evil
Funny...Funny...Funny...

Indeed - I almost split a gut the first time I saw that avatar.

:D

r@m

Ahh, thanks gents! :D That avatar is a little graphic reminder of what happens when you have a "Men's Crisis Meeting" in your garage, and after a few "sodas", someone says, "hey, lets get the sawzall out!" It was a good time indeed! :D

Originally posted by dangerber
Ahh, thanks gents! :D That avatar is a little graphic reminder of what happens when you have a "Men's Crisis Meeting" in your garage, and after a few "sodas", someone says, "hey, lets get the sawzall out!" It was a good time indeed! :D

FAWK!!!

You're killing me over here!

Stop it - my stomach hurts!


:D :D

Originally posted by Root Moose


FAWK!!!

You're killing me over here!

Stop it - my stomach hurts!


:D :D

:D:D All I can say is: The winters get real long around here if we don't "vent" once in a while. I had just finished getting my "Crisis Support Center" insulated and heated, so we had to break it in! :D

I didn't copy anything off shaffers kit or design other than use the same brand coils as he did. I have only seen the pics on IZOOK of his kit, which ain't much but a side pic of coils and radius arm. I just went to work!!!