http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2269%20(Small).JPG

Uh oH!

:smokin:

Bust out the Sawzall

Is that the "infinity drive"???

that would be cool, no pesky axle tubes, knuckles, differentials to get in the way or break...






you might be on to something here :idea::idea:

Is that the "infinity drive"???

that would be cool, no pesky axle tubes, knuckles, differentials to get in the way or break...






you might be on to something here :idea::idea:


:grinpimp: :grinpimp:

Front hover drive dude. Infinitly adjustable in cab ride height.

Is that the "infinity drive"???

that would be cool, no pesky axle tubes, knuckles, differentials to get in the way or break...

More like "improbability drive" :laughing:

"Normalcy.......Restored........" :D

More like "improbability drive" :laughing:

"Normalcy.......Restored........" :D
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:




I just watched the "new" version of that the other day.... got to love it.

Were is the tech? :rolleyes:

Tech?!?!? This is the IH board ~ we just web-wheel. This couldn't be the beginning of the documentary of Munchies SOA/RS w/ 44044s and 4-link coil rear...Never...

That would be just plain crazy :rasta:



;)

Tech?!?!? This is the IH board ~ we just web-wheel. This couldn't be the beginning of the documentary of Munchies SOA/RS w/ 44044s and 4-link coil rear...Never...

That would be just plain crazy :rasta:
;)

Documentary?? With all this dialog?


Uh oH!

Is that the "infinity drive"???

that would be cool, no pesky axle tubes, knuckles, differentials to get in the way or break...






you might be on to something here :idea::idea:

hydrostatic drive :smokin:

http://www.gravely.com/resources/profhhydro.jpg

http://www.impact-enterprises.com/photo/1218069b.jpg

Hmm a tire sitting next to a scout. AWESOME! :flipoff2:

hey its my first manly tire! I'z excited!
Tech coming later today with the RS and 44044 setup this after noon.
BECAUSE I WENT AND BOUGHT THE LONGER BOLTS I NEEDED

COUGH

hey its my first manly tire! I'z excited!

Is it manly because it's half bald? :flipoff2:

Is it manly because it's half bald? :flipoff2:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I believe you will need more lift on that baby to get enough clearance for your upward travel:grinpimp:

So, you will have it done for our next Saturday run, correct? :smokin:

I believe you will need more lift on that baby to get enough clearance for your upward travel:grinpimp:

:shaking:




Cut to fit DAMN IT!!!!!















You could try to.....after you get that first dent :flipoff2: :emb:

So, you will have it done for our next Saturday run, correct? :smokin:


HAHA...
Welll maybe

IF I GET MY U BOLT **COUGH COUGH** PLATES!
annd *hhaaackem** 4-link bracketry***

Damn cold...

Hey! If those are clean rust free fenders, let me buy 'em and give you a set that are pre-lighten and straight. Them suckas are getting harder to find. Oh, and for the TECH, you should use a Lenox 18 tooth, bi-metal Sawzall blade. Don't forget you safety glasses! :flipoff2:

here's os's tech foto. i dun cut stuff off and wire wheeled
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2274%20(Small).JPG

Hey! If those are clean rust free fenders, let me buy 'em and give you a set that are pre-lighten and straight. Them suckas are getting harder to find. Oh, and for the TECH, you should use a Lenox 18 tooth, bi-metal Sawzall blade. Don't forget you safety glasses! :flipoff2:

Rust free. DAMN straight. Alot of time sanding.. used premium body fillers n stuff. Yah, fenders and cash talk :P

What you guys think of these picutres? Hows that shackle angle for no weight on it? I dont know how much these will droop with the engine weight on it.

http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2293%20(Small).JPG
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2294%20(Small).JPG
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2295%20(Small).JPG
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2297%20(Small).JPG

Lets see some constructive criticism :smokin:

i thought the spring eyes were supposed to be level?? what do you do now for your centering pin? and ur ubolt plates with your axle???

I dont know how much these will droop with the engine weight on it.


We went over this. You said you knew.

Thanks rusto. Yah OS I saw that thread after I went through countles other shit to find it...

So the good way is to have 46.125 in between my front hanger and my shackle near vertical? even if my spring isnt broke in? just put weight on it until I can get the shackle bolt in?
Yes I am a newb.

Well I guess I dont:flipoff2:

I said I saw the thread. I may not have understood it, but I saw it.
so what, move the spring hanger down and forward to level the middle of the spring? this is my first attempt at setting up a leaf so be gentle.

It's better to move it forward than down. Fangs suck ass and a ~105"-107" WB rocks.

talk to damien a while ago about this before doing mine, and he said it shouldnt matter, but i have no idea, i have just heard from people at 4x shops that it should be level, it screws up the geometry of things i guess...

i would talk it over w/ damien at dandcextreme

talk to damien a while ago about this before doing mine, and he said it shouldnt matter, but i have no idea, i have just heard from people at 4x shops that it should be level, it screws up the geometry of things i guess...

i would talk it over w/ damien at dandcextreme
YUP nobody but Snoopy has done a soa/rs here! :shaking:

it looks like you would get a lot of brake dive with it like that.

Didnt a bunch of people here talk me out of the RS because it doesnt work as sweet for heavy duty wheeling???

Listen to your heart, young Jedi. Actually, RS makes more sense and does less damage to the suspension while impacting the rocks. Them other suckas don't want to "spring" for extended driveshafts or break out some welding skills. Fangs are cool until they bend a spring or rip off a mount, not. But, on the other hand, 3-link spring over, that's the golden nipple. :smokin:

Listen to your heart, young Jedi. Actually, RS makes more sense and does less damage to the suspension while impacting the rocks. Them other suckas don't want to "spring" for extended driveshafts or break out some welding skills. Fangs are cool until they bend a spring or rip off a mount, not. But, on the other hand, 3-link spring over, that's the golden nipple. :smokin:

3 link spring over?

I'm still not sold on it. I dont want my tire moving out of the way of a rock I want to climb over. The only benefit I see of a RS is high speed road stuff. The pic just looks like shitty spring angle to me. I cant get the video of the scout rolling over cuz the front tire folded under during a steep descent out of my head.

I see the solid type of a link suspension similar to a shackle forward set up. Shackle moves forward applying tire force to the obstical. Solid link forces the tire to stay firm against the obstical(in a square edge climb type obstical) with the RS i picture the tire moving backwards, nose of the rig dropping from the tire movement, and the rear end having to push the front over the obstical. Just what im picturing in my mind.

What do I know, I'm just a stupid newb web wheeler:rolleyes:

Well do all the thousands of people with shackles in back roll over. I ahve a buddy with 44044's on a rear shackle, and I wouldnt have it any other way.

now that I look at it i think his are the same way
http://azwildcatoffroad.net/Pictures/Charleau%20Gap%2011-12-05/images/29.jpg

I think i need to adjust the rear back a bit, and the front forward a bit, my shackle will be wayy to big of an angle with weight on it. But it will turn the spring even more the way that it already is. I suppose moving the front will fix that.
I will adjust and re picture it up tomorrow.

SO i moved the fronts about an inch forward. more wheelbase, better approach. Easier trimming. Think it will be ok. Will post a picture

My WB looks to be about 103.5 now. And the rear still has to go back 2'' ish.

To level out the spring drill a hole in the frame and run the shackle bushing there instead of underneath the frame. It also makes it a lot easier to mount the front axle. You'll see what I mean about the front axle when you get to that point.
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To level out the spring drill a hole in the frame and run the shackle bushing there instead of underneath the frame. It also makes it a lot easier to mount the front axle. You'll see what I mean about the front axle when you get to that point.
Yup!
It will look like this:
http://members.cox.net/79scoutguy/photo%20024.jpg
The suck-ass thing with my set up is the fangs...

But then the shackle looses alot of travel. Correct?

But then the shackle looses alot of travel. Correct?

Do you own a tape measure?

well when a RS goes over a rock it is better then a standard mount, it allows the axle to move backwards and takes a lot of stress off of the suspension system all together, instead of the wheel being forced forward up and over the rock. when going down hill on a RS has it problems but, the few inches it has to move back isnt going to matter all that much, when driving down the road the RS is better for driving, since it relieves much of the front axle movement, and the force of the axle going forward.

O Boy!! A RS vs. FS debate. Where's my pop-corn. :D


A large spring angle (front eye higher than the rear eye) will lead to nose dive, but that's not really a big deal IMO. Stiffer spring or stiffer shocks will help. With the design of SII frames, its hard to avoid it when going RS with out "large" fangs. But it can be minimized with through-frame shackle and compromising on the front towers.

The flatter the springs also act different than higher-arched lift springs, so what one suspension and spring combo does is hard to translate to another.


As for a RS vs FS.... personal preference I would argue they both work just fine off-road. They each have there plus' and minus'. Personally I prefer RS's, although FS's are easier and cheaper.

Hows this for a shackle angle?
Put it on its weight just now :smokin:
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2303%20(Small).JPG
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2304%20(Small).JPG
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2305%20(Small).JPG

^^^ If that is with the weight then I would move it foward some to get the 45* :)

Hows this for a shackle angle?
Put it on its weight just now :smokin:
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2303%20(Small).JPG
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2304%20(Small).JPG
http://www.wootworx.com/images/buildup/IMG_2305%20(Small).JPG

It might work O.K. for you. Me, personally, would of liked to see it at around 4 o'clock instead of quarter to 6. :smokin:

I am sure it will work just fine. I found you get more drop and a better ride from a 45* my .02

Good luck looks great!

I'd say 1/2'' forward would be perfect. Anyone agree?

^^^ If that is with the weight then I would move it foward some to get the 45* :)


You are on the right track :grinpimp:

Are those NEW 44044's?? Then I wouldn't move it forward *too* much, the spring still need to break in and they will settle, laying the shackle back some more.


Laying the shackle down will give you more motion in the ocean (droop), but will also add to nose dive. If I were to do mine again, I would make my shackles a little more upright (mine are through the frame, and layed back to the point that if I'm REALLY hard on them, they will just hit the frame).

Brand new 44044. Drop shipped from 4 wheel parts. Ill go 1'4 forward and call it good. TIme to weld that shit up tomorrow, and get me an axle under there!

My personal oppinion is that they look good right there (agreeing with Rustoleum), but a little forward won't hurt ~ 1/4" max. I'd say leave it.

sunday is 4-link day. Tomorrow after work. I sight in rifle. Then nap. Then fab the rest of the front shit. Other loose ends on sunday as well. Maybe start the trimming if I can flex it? ooooo scary thoughts... I am determined to drive this bitch THIS FAWKING WEEK! early in the week!

What springs did you go with?

BCbronco's 3.5''s
Reading of bronco sites lead me to them as theya re 'the softest/flexiest" for broncos. WIll post some pictures. Its getting REALLY close

Ah...

REALLY close? you were supposed to finish it! ;)

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Update?

Just got off work... Gotta love 6 days a week of being up at the asscrack of dawn... Just a weeee bit more to finish today... Pics soon

:Yawn:

Well.. I know i said i am almost done.. Well.. I was... Thhheenn.. I brought home full width axles. Soooo Give me another few days :P

Lies all lies! ;)

Hey munchies, Tom wants an update!




:D :D :D

Hey munchies, Tom wants an update!




:D :D :D
Snoop, I think he and Gen Nonsense are internet Phantoms. I have never seen or heard of them wheeling! :D

I do own the 'ghost scout'

It made 3 appearances in 2.5 years, and about 200 miles in that time

I WILL GET PICS SOON

TOM MOSES

Snoop, I think he and Gen Nonsense are internet Phantoms. I have never seen or heard of them wheeling! :D
I cant tell if youre trying to be funny, or if youre running your mouth...either way I dont think I can go on living, knowing that I have been lumped into the same category with the peehole that spent 5K on 70 different axles and still hasnt finished:shaking:

Youre more than welcome to stop by and hand me $300 dollars so I can get a driveshaft, and help me with my cage. Until you do, STFU and have a nice day.:flipoff2:

I cant tell if youre trying to be funny, or if youre running your mouth...either way I dont think I can go on living, knowing that I have been lumped into the same category with the peehole that spent 5K on 70 different axles and still hasnt finished:shaking:

Youre more than welcome to stop by and hand me $300 dollars so I can get a driveshaft, and help me with my cage. Until you do, STFU and have a nice day.:flipoff2:

Touchy there are we not there Gen. No need to get all huffy, just poking "Friendly" fun at you. :p Relax.
Actually was hoping to meet up with you and the others Phantoms at some of these SDS runs. Maybe I don't want to meet you now though.
A $300.00 driveline wouldn't stop me from wheeling, I'd make it. My front one is square, the rear one is made by my Son. Yes I drive 80 MPH on it too. It isn't hard or Voodoo by any means.
If you was close by to me up here in N.Phoenix, i would be glad to help you out. If that would get you wheeling. :flipoff2:

Touchy there are we not there Gen. No need to get all huffy, just poking "Friendly" fun at you. :p Relax.
Actually was hoping to meet up with you and the others Phantoms at some of these SDS runs. Maybe I don't want to meet you now though.
A $300.00 driveline wouldn't stop me from wheeling, I'd make it. My front one is square, the rear one is made by my Son. Yes I drive 80 MPH on it too. It isn't hard or Voodoo by any means.
Im not pissy man, Im just poor and frustrated! :laughing:

Im not pissy man, Im just poor and frustrated! :laughing:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: I know what ya mean, I have to fart in my pocket to have a cent!

Hey I came out even on only SIX axles!

Im not pissy man, Im just poor and frustrated! :laughing:
Dude, you just described everyone in our IH section. Even me! :cool2: :laughing: