I know I'm not the only one outthere with low oil preasure (really low, near zero at idle when warm) on a amc v-8, anyone know of any fixes without shelling out $250 for a new timing cover houseing? I know the bottom end is good, its a recent rebuild....on start up I get about 60 psi then is gradually goes down as the engine warms up untill its on 0 at idle and about 10 psi for every 1000 rpm I tach up the engine.

Any help would be greatly appriciated,
Justin Ray

Check out ifsja.org....these guys know everything about the AMC motors in Jeeps.

thanks, I'll check them out.


Justin

IT's true that IFSJA has a lot of knowledge BUT you NEWBIES ain't gonna learn squat by running all over everywhere trying to find what can almost always be found here to begin with. :flipoff2:


=O ( ( ( IT'S CALLED THE SEARCH BUTTON ) ) )

Try using "TeamRush" in the search criteria for the "User Name" and try looking in "Jeep Talk" or in "General 4x4". There should be several threads available by TR. He has forgotten more than you'll ever know and he's quite the man for sharing his experience for FREE!!!

Good Luck Newbies!! and BTW, :flipoff2: Welcome! :flipoff2:

Fact...dude was looking for info on an AMC motor......I pointed him in the right direction...the guys at IFSJA know their stuff better than anywhere else I've found. They might not be hardcore wheelers, but hell neither am I.:rolleyes:
Pirate's the place for suspension, ideas, and research...but if you think you can learn all you need to know from just one source, then I wanna know how you breathe with your head so far up yer arse:D ....could make some money off it....maybe sell it to the navy, NASA,..? :D :flipoff2:

HEY NEWB!! You need to chill the fawk out!! :flipoff2:

Before you go shooting off your mouth any more and proving what a dumbA$$ you really are, you should actually take the time to re-read what I originally posted. It's true that the IFSJA has an abundance of information to offer.

TeamRush has forgotten more than you'll ever know! He has been wrenching for longer than you have been alive. He knows where the deficiencies are and how to cure them. Instead of spending a $hitload on electronic ignition components, you should talk to him and get whats up vs. getting hosed by hype.

So lighten up, get some thicker skin, or you'll be sure to prove the depths of which your own head can achieve up your own arse. ;) :p :laughing:

Sorry if I was out of line your bouncy, pouncy trouncy-ness:p I know about team rush's tfi upgrade.....but wtf does that have to do with an oiling prob on an AMC? I'm done here...chit-chat

team rush stuff has been deleted
he added a lot more than just the tfi upgrade
try the swb bb, i look in a number of places for info
they have a couple of real good tech articles on amc v-8 upgrades
4wd hardware out of ohio has the timing covers for less than 200


http://tellico.off-road.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=offroadjeepshort

I saw your post and checked out the TeamRush posts too. :confused: Can't figure out why he took 'em down. I'm gonna check with DRM to see what the deal is. :rolleyes:Hopefully DRM didn't piss him off or anything like that.

As far as the the TFI upgrade goes ... I wasn't referring to that. TR had a full write-up about the inherrent oiling problems that the 360 suffer from and how to eliminate them. He has so much incredible info on the 360. The TFI upgrade is pretty kewl. The man is the :nuke:!!

Team Rush = Bad
Team Rush = Banned
Team Rush =:crybaby2:

The oiling problem is due to too much clearance in you oil pump. Nothing more nothing less. Sure there are many things you can do to help AMC oiling problems. For example oil lines to the cams on the distrib/cam drives. Or you can do the bypass so as to put oil where it belongs and take it away from where it's not neaded. But untill T.R. or anyone else can grow aluminum back on an oil pump/ timing cover you're fawked.

Unless you got a differen't catalog from FWD Hardware than I have they're covers are still more than mine. Them $239.95 Me 229.95 (mention the POR deal)

STEVE ... fill me in on the gory details on the pump issue. I have a FULL SIZE Cherokee with a Propane 360, TH400, and a 203/205 doubler. Once I get a chance to pop the 360 in place I am going to play with a deep pan idea. I am also going to add an external cooler with fans and remote dual filters for added capacity. Would a baffle/windage screen help the oiling issues at all? I am soooo guessing when it comes to the 360. I can't remember where TR had said the deficiencies are located.

I wanna do this right THE FIRST TIME!! I would rather be down a little longer a spend my $$$ more wisely than hafta get poked in the poop shoot later for being stupid. Another idea I have been playing with is a pre-oiling systems. Just a little something to get the top end lubed up before I turn it over as well as have the PSI up as well.

EDIT ... deep sump ???

:beer: T I A :beer:

Thanks for your help guys, I was pretty sure I was going to have to replace my timing cover....I just didn't want to admit it. However for now I think I'm going to swap in a 304 I have, because I need to pull my intake to replace gaskets, and while I'm at it I want to upgrade intakes and upgrade the cam while I got the cover off, so I think I'll pull the motor and do it all at one time when I get the parts together and use the 304 for now to keep the jeep going.

Thanks,
Justin;)

You can occasionally find used timing covers on e-bay, but you run the risk of buying one that is also worn out. Is it worth the $20-$30 gamble in my opinion? yeah. Have you rebuilt the oil pump? I didn't see anywhere in your post that you got the $15.00 autozone kit that replaces the gears in the pump and the spring in the bypass valve. It sounds (to me, I had this prob with my 360 before I dropped a remanufactured in) like the bypass is leaking (when the oil gets thin, you get a leak past the spring) just needs to be rebuilt I would bet. Even if you get a new timing cover, you will have to buy the kit, so it would be worth the investment.

Phil

Another good resource for excellent AMC v8 info is http://www.froadin.com Its been a while since I checked his web page, but the guy really knows his AMC v8 shit and is great about answering questions.

i was wrong it is at quadratec
part #COVER-TIMING CHAIN-AMC V8 8129373
price is 204.95

www.quadratec.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?UID=2002033008204612&T1=51010%2B00&UREQA=1&UREQB=2&UREQC=3&UREQD=4&FNM=12&x=32&y=19
this is the link to the page
well worth the investment

I have already re-built the pump with the mellings oil pump kit. I checked out froadin.com and he had a mod on there includeing putting pump gears from a 318 mopar in the amc cover, they have two more teeth for increased flow and they are oversized, necesitating the inside of pump houseing haveing to be slightly bored out....thinking that this might work for the 360.

Justin

goin from the 360 to 304 to correct the oil pressure. I laugh in your general direction.:flipoff2: 3 AMC V8s and all of them had pressure problems.:mad:

Do the pump rebuild, its prolly the best thing you can do for $12. Otherwise blow the load and spend $240 and get a new cover. Things should be all good.:smokin:

I'm not fixing the oiling problem by swaping in my 304, I'm simply buying time to fix my 360 properly while keeping my jeep on the trail....I have to pull the 304 out of my '7 to fix a previous owner's screw-up of a v-8 conversion motor mounts, so I'm just going to temporarily drop it into the scrambler while I sort out the oiling situation properly....as I said before I have already installed the oil pump re-build kit, so I'm going to research as much as possible for fixes before I make spend the $240 bucks.

Justin

after i get some more projects done, and my scrambler going, i'm going to fully invetsigate modifying an AMC front timing cover to accept a SBC oil pump (externally mounted). i did some preliminary research and determined that it was worth more research. i'm thinking it may require and adapter plate, shaft extension, and some machining, but does not look impossible. more info as it develops. matt

That would be very intersting....where would you mount it to? the front under the water pump?

Thanks,
Justin

Hey Tigger,

I seem to remember way back in the day that you were all going off on TR when he made his cherry-popping post. Then, all the sudden, you thought that he was the grand-pubah of all the world. If you would get your tongue out of TRs A-hole from that rim job long enough to stop smelling his shiat, you would realize that he has been banned for a reason: he is a certifiable sociopath with violent outbursts. His shiat ain't wired straight. Yeah, he is smart, but nothing is worth verbal abuse. Do you get that at work? At home? In your neighborhood? NO. That is a SIGN that the guy is a psycho. Nothing against you here, but Jees, get a clue man. Pick a new idol, you fawkin sheep. :mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3:

Now, for the original poster (TNScrambler). Yeah, there is froadin, but I have posted there and not gotten the time of day. Screw that. There is Performance American Style, and there is a couple other places, and if you call, they are usually pretty cool. But if you really want to get in touch with a group of people that won't treat you like crap for pennance to some almighty and stupid morality (as in, mindless drones that cannot think on their own and follow someone that ACTS powerful), then try this forum

http://pub8.ezboard.com/bamcforum

These folks are building HIGH HP/RPM AMC engines and running them hard. If anyone has a solution to your oiling prob, I would check these guys out.

PM me, and I can hook you up with other stuff later :D

themaddhatter

Thanks for you help....Some people came be real jerks in their replies and think others are stupid because they are new to the forum and think they are Supreme Beings cause they've got alot of posts....or at least thats what I've noticed and my own $.02

Justin

The froadin.com link is about the best I've seen. That board doesn't move real fast. I'm doing the mods on my 360 I'll post a write up on my site as well as here if Lance wants it. Likely it will be next month. It's pretty easy though. American performance does the distrib./cam gear differently than Hammer at froadin. The galley Hammer uses isn't that close the the gears. Not quite sure which way I'll go yet.

TNScrambler and Themaddhatter need to read this thread (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1223) .

Grow some thick skin or go the fawk home!:p :flipoff2: ;)

I am only razzing you, but if you think I was being hard on you or being a big ol meanie(read "AAwwwww") you need to go over to JU, you'll fit right in! :laughing:

Have a :) day and enjoy the board. Welcome anyway Newbies!! :flipoff2::flipoff2:

Originally posted by Steve N
I'm doing the mods on my 360 I'll post a write up on my site as well as here if Lance wants it. Likely it will be next month.
BRING IT STEVE!! You gotta spill the details here man! :beer:

steve please take pics of it. I can't quite follow what the hell hammer is talking about on the distributor gear oiling thing

didn't he used to post on POR before the crash?

I am thick skined and I don't think you were giving me a hard time, I guess I'm just used to Southern Hospitality and not all the attitude that alot of you guys have, not that its all that bad I guess....I'm just not used to it! But, you ought to try Southern Hospitality everyonce in a while, never know where it might get you.

Justin

TNScrambler, it will mount where the factory oil pump is. it will drive off of the dist shaft just like the factory set-up. i just need to start milling on it. matt

JEEPNMATT ... sounds like you gotta good :idea: a brewin'. Keep us up to date on it. Quite a few people are gonna say it so why not ... pics!!!:D

TNScrambler ... southern hospitality huh?!? :emb4: it could work. I guess when you made your comment Some people came be real jerks in their replies and think others are stupid because they are new to the forum and think they are Supreme Beings cause they've got alot of posts....or at least thats what I've noticed ... after Themaddhatter made his it may have skewed my impression of you.

Water under the bridge, a coupla :beer:s under the shade tree sound good:question:

Trigger, sounds pretty good I rekon.

JeepnMatt, I agree with the Trigger that this sounds apealing, be sure to let us know when get it going.


Justin

Hi,

For all you guys who are looking for info on the AMC distributor oiling upgrade, download it from my website. I converted the article into a pdf file approx. 2.5 Mb

Clickie Here (http://www.dutchjeeper.freeserve.co.uk/downloads/AMC%20V8%20oiling%20upgrade.zip)

if you want get in touch with me i make oversize them and make them much better email me i work with amracing.com...

Hey TNscrambler.

when you replaced the oil pump gears did you notice what the inside of the housing looked like?

its common for them to have litel circles scored into teh cover form teh gears riding on them.

the part of the cover that you removed to replace the gears, AND inside the timing cover, both sides will have the rings.

the part you removed to replace the gears, can be trued up with some sandpaper, and a pane of glass, and a 12 pack.

thats good help for a cover thats not worn completely out.

also make the pump clearance TIGHT, discard the gasket that comes with the kit, and use a brown paper sack, or something else thinner if need be.

the end clearances on the gears needs to be tight.

I experimented with some nickel hard coat plasma spray on teh inside of a timing cover at my old job, trying to restore one, but the labor and materials required would have ended up way over the price of a new cover, and I didnt even other to machine it back out.

this prolly isnt what you wanna hear, but if you have a th-400 its not that hard to swap a small block chevy in there. Thats my current plan for my 360. Those engines are nothing by a PITA and everything for them is expensive.