If so, How?!?!?

I have mine all hooked up but it is SOOOO slow that I am ready to sell it and get a HS9500i... But first I wanted to check and see if there is something that I should be doing to make it faster... I don't want hypothetical answers, I want someone who has actually done mods to make it work.

Originally posted by Lowrangerider
If so, How?!?!?

I have mine all hooked up but it is SOOOO slow that I am ready to sell it and get a HS9500i... But first I wanted to check and see if there is something that I should be doing to make it faster... I don't want hypothetical answers, I want someone who has actually done mods to make it work.

Which one have you got? The single speed or dual speed? Also, what are you running it off of, your stock PS pump?

2 speed, 10,500lb running off stock P.S. pump....


Edit: When I say this thing is slow I really mean this thing is SLOW!!! I got stuck on a big hill and tried to use it and I could barley see the Jeep moving. Maybe moving 1" in 2 minutes..... (in low gear, But you cant pull in high so that is irrelevant)

I've got the same model and although slow, it's not THAT slow. Mine is about the same as an older Ramsey or Super Winch. I think the biggest thing that affects it is your pressure out of your PS pump. The speed/pulling power they have spec'd out are based on 3gpm and 1500 PSI. I've thought about going to a Warn too, but until I win one in a raffle I can't justify spending the money for pure convienence. I'd rather buy a set of beadlocks or new swampers with that money.

I'm sorry, this is a hypothetical response, but something I've been thinking about for a while. It won't work for a lot of people, but many are running older 4-speeds that have a PTO output, could you get a pto driven hydraulic pump, and use it to run the milemarker winch. I guess I'm just curious if this would be feasible, since I have neither a PTO output or a milemarker, but I am looking in the direction of both in the near future, and I think a PTO driven pump would deliver considerably more fluid than the stock power steering pump. Just a thought

chad

It may be feasible, but I think the best (cheapest) option would be to tune up your PS pump, or spring for the AGR model.

any and most all serious equipment run pto hydraulic pumps, so if the milejunker could handle the volume/pressure I would think it would work great. sorry to answer off topic.

I have a NV4500 and I think it has a panel that comes off so you can run a PTO. I havent ever seen a pump that I could put there, But I am sure I havent been looking in any of the right places. If anyone knows where you get such a beast and how much they cost I would for sure be interested. (maybe some towtruck builders would have that PTO setup?)

I also wouldnt mind getting it to work so I could get all my friends to stop giving me shit about it... :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

They look like this. It's a standard spicer PTO. Just go to the junkyard where they have large trucks you'll find a lot of them. But you'll need a pump for the pto to drive.

Or these: http://www.delhydraulics.com/html/pumps.html pump and PTO in one

Ok,I went to that web site and Emailed the guy asking if they have a PTO and Pump in one for the NV4500. If they do and it doesnt cost an arm and a leg I may try and get one. Some of those had up to 29GPM... I wonder if that would be too much for a Milemarker winch to handle? Or if it would actually make it fast(er)...

Originally posted by Lowrangerider
Some of those had up to 29GPM... I wonder if that would be too much for a Milemarker winch to handle? Or if it would actually make it fast(er)...

29GPM, running through a 3GPM Milemarker....Sounds like bad news to me :nuke: :D

I think it would work, but you will need more control. Like the valves on a tow truck, that make the hydralic flow completely varyable so you can still go slow.

You should be able to find a PTO and a pump in a junkyard that has a lot of heavy equipment or industrial stuff. Probably shouldn't cost to much either.

Another option is to get a hydrolic pump that runs off the belts, and has a clutch. Nothern Hydrolics has them for under $400. I beleive that they can put out something like 11gals a min, and the pressure should be quite addicuate for the job. This is what I am planning once I get some free cash to use.

For a pump, and possible the PTO too, look for old grain trucks, possibly an used agricultural dealers, junk yards specializing in this stuff.

You may want to put some type of heavy duty valve that would let you throttle the flow going to the milemarker, or maybe talk to them to see how much the winch could handle, I guess your going to need a resevor or some sort, and probably other plumbing pieces, try and steel as many as possible from the donor, if you go that route. This would be a lot of work, but the coolness factor would be way up their, you could even hook quick disconnects, and use it to run hydraulic rams for rear steer, or suspension (ok I may be getting a little ahead of myself)

Make sure and keep us informed on how it works, and if you got any specific questions I be happy and try and help, since I'm really interested in doing this on my heep once I swap tranny's for one with PTO capabilities.

Chad

Mine used to suck
I added a inline filter, a big cooler and a really neat sag pump, it now works great, but with stock PS, i am surpized yours even works

Originally posted by chadl
I'm sorry, this is a hypothetical response, but something I've been thinking about for a while. It won't work for a lot of people, but many are running older 4-speeds that have a PTO output, could you get a pto driven hydraulic pump, and use it to run the milemarker winch. I guess I'm just curious if this would be feasible, since I have neither a PTO output or a milemarker, but I am looking in the direction of both in the near future, and I think a PTO driven pump would deliver considerably more fluid than the stock power steering pump. Just a thought

chad

this is what we did for the winch on my buddies oshkosh. We fitted a hydraulic motor to a 30,000 lb garwood PTO winch, then powered it with a pto driven hydraulic pump (which also runs the crane)

Originally posted by Toy 4Runner Man
Another option is to get a hydrolic pump that runs off the belts, and has a clutch. Nothern Hydrolics has them for under $400. I beleive that they can put out something like 11gals a min, and the pressure should be quite addicuate for the job. This is what I am planning once I get some free cash to use.

I was going to post this , but it looks like you beat me to it:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

go here:
http://www.northerntool.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/Category/NTE_LLCATDSP.d2w/report?cgrfnbr=1500&PHOTOS=on&prlngth=1080.0000

How would I use one of the Northern tool pumps with my Jeep? Would I have to fab up my own brackets and then find a new 2 belt pulley for the engine? (It said it needs 2 belts.....)

TTT :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Lowrangerider
How would I use one of the Northern tool pumps with my Jeep? Would I have to fab up my own brackets and then find a new 2 belt pulley for the engine? (It said it needs 2 belts.....)

Naw I'm sure zip ties and a rubber band or two will work! :rolleyes: :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

So,

Whats the most GPM or PSI anyone has put through one of these Milemarkers?

Is 3GPM really the max it can take?

T-bone has one of those. It sucked with his stock pump on his TJ, but it wasn't as slow as yours sounds like. I know he bought a new pump to run with his 5.0 swap. Shoot him a PM, he doesn't check gen 4x4 all that often.

Originally posted by oldjeep
They look like this. It's a standard spicer PTO. Just go to the junkyard where they have large trucks you'll find a lot of them. But you'll need a pump for the pto to drive.

Or these: http://www.delhydraulics.com/html/pumps.html pump and PTO in one

IMO better info here:
http://www.chelseapower.com/index.htm

God this topic comes up often :D
Mine sucked ass, I put a saginw pump on it, did the mods on the sag pump in incerase the flow (drilling out that one thing) and now it pulls great, still kind of slow, but it pulls very strong

Originally posted by merv
So,

Whats the most GPM or PSI anyone has put through one of these Milemarkers?

Is 3GPM really the max it can take?

http://www.milemarker.com/winch-10.html

Their website says 3.5 GPM@1500 PSI.

Part Number 75-50050C
Rated Line Pull 10,500 lbs.@1500 PSI
(single line) (4,770 kgs.)
Gear Train Planetary
Gear Ratio 6:1 (low gear)
1:1 (high gear)
Motor 18 C.I. Hydraulic
Directional Control 12V Solenoid 3 way
Valve Integrated (maximum rated flow 3.5 gpm) draws 2 amps
Control Switch Remote Switch, 12' lead
Hoses 2 hoses (5' and 7') Steel Braid High Pressure, 3,000 PSI rating.* Use size 6 JIC swivel female on both ends.
Cable 3/8" x 100' (14,400 nominal)
Drum Size Diameter 2.5" (6.4cm)
Drum Size Length 9" (23cm)
Weight 97 lbs.
Perormance Specifications Performance Specifications
3.5 GPM@1500 PSI


their literature says 3.5 gpm max and 3000 psi for the hoses.
http://www.winchesplus.com/ has a saginaw pump that runs 3.5 gpm and 1500PSI designed just for the milemarker winches..


now for the heresay part one of the guys in the ECBR knows a dude that lives down the street from him that modified his milemarker which now reportedly spanks his 8274.. i have bugged him several times for specific info on exactly what he does to them.. all i know is that its an internal mod to the milemarker...
peace
Jw

I was running the Milemarker with a stock TJ pump, and it worked, but was fairly slow. (It worked better when I reved the enginge a little) In doing the research, I found that the winch could handle upto 11gmp, but the solenoid can only handle 3.5gpm. I also found out that the stock TJ pump only puts out 1.7gpm and even an AGR "super" pump puts out 2.5gpm. So I decided to get a Saginaw pump, drill it out to increase flow and pressure, fab up a bracket and mount it where and air conditioner would be. I got most of the way done and decided that it still wasn't going to be enough, so I put in a 5.0 HO too. :laughing:

I'm almost done with the swap, and I will let you know if things worked, or I blew the solenoid across the shop.

I would love to hear more about that mod Rebel was talking about.

TBone

Originally posted by Old Scout


Naw I'm sure zip ties and a rubber band or two will work! :rolleyes: :flipoff2: :rolleyes:


FWIW I have seen they will take 6GPM and 1800psi without mods ...