Anyone run coils? I'm thinking about going to coils. I'd like to see whats out there. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

fatkid

heres some drop coils. theres more pics http://briefcase.yahoo.com/rich_segebartt in the samurai pcsIII folder.

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/a462906c/bc/SAMURAI+PICS+III/mvc-226f.jpg?bcDwJl7Ai8WSXHXU

There were a couple of rigs at SOR running Shafers kit and it was very clean and flexed well. Samit on this bbs gave us the tour. I thought one of the sweetest things was how easy and cheap it was to tweek lift and spring rate, since it uses off the shelf coils that are 25-35 a corner. All new springs for just over a $100...nice. Approach was also excellent.

I used cheap QA1 coils from jegs...12" 150lb worked, but were deformed (lengthwise) after some use...just switched to 170lb. I think the problem is the the coil OD and wire gauge...

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I used stock TJ coils. They are in the 150 range also. They lasted 2 years, and have just replaced them. 170 rate would be better, as they are a little too soft. This was up front, guess you could use TJ front coils for the rear, and get some 170's for the front. At least its a cheap solution. As long as you know a bunch of Jeep people....LOL. What link system are you thinking?

You missed this pic from the drive in at SoR. I can't remember his name, but he was nice enough to give us a good view of the coil setup.

http://members.home.net/mmartinez/images/113-1376_IMG.jpg

Originally posted by mudlite:
<STRONG> What link system are you thinking?</STRONG>

I can't say right now, if I go ahead with the project it will be Top-secrete. I will say were thinking of making a new middle sub-frame like the RE Long Arm kit for the TJ's.

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I use 3" lifted procomp xj coils in the rear with a 4 link setup .Crazy flex <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Hmmmmmmm...
Finally someone on this board got some sense, realising that leaves are for trees! Fatkid, we'll be posting some pics wednesday or thursday of J's new set up. He's using 19" coils (not sure of the spring rate)in a three link set up with a panhard bar. When he used 12"ers before it flexed like crazy. The new set up will be sick. Let you know.

Kev <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> I didn't think mud runners knew the f' word?! See you at sport trucks. we'll be kicking your <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> a$$

Would someone please explain why it is better to have the longest possible lower arms?

Thankya.....thankyavrymuch.

Hey FatKid ! Come on over to tha' house, I got some springs to fit that dinky Sammi of
urine..... I'll take them out of my papermate pens, Hell,they'll do the trick !... <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0"> lol <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Hey Dave , better back up your big <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0"> mouth . Is your rig goin to be at sport trucks?
Its time for me to do a bit of tubbin.

Hey Frat Kid who you try'n to FOOL....you flex enough in front of the MIRROR

you need to work on getting more horsepower so you can Power the club BLENDER <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by FrostyFJ:
<STRONG>Hey Frat Kid who you try'n to FOOL....you flex enough in front of the MIRROR

you need to work on getting more horsepower so you can Power the club BLENDER <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/blender.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
I would need a v-8 to power the Tin Bender Blender, I will say this though. I just got a 3500 watt gen for my 5th wheel so I can use a microwave.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 0ILBURNER:
[QB]Would someone please explain why it is better to have the longest possible lower arms?

its pretty complicated, read up on fourbar linkages,instant center,squat+antisquat,roll center and chassis design. the torque of the axle under power will drive the lower arms forward+upward to the frame. its not really the length, but the angle they make make with the upper arm. draw an imaginary line from both upper and lower arms going forward...the further out in front of the rig and lower the intersection, the better off you will be (for wheeling, not dragracing)
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sorry for the book but he asked...

ZukMike, I am an old drag racer from Way back - I can set up a 4-link on a drag car, using the same theories you described, but I have a hard time believing the same principals apply to a rock-crawling rig. For instance: from the facory, the TJ upper & lower arms are practically the same length - this is so they will move in a tandem arc to keep the pinion angle good. When you increase the length of the lower arm, this throws the pinion towards the ground at max articulation. I suppose the models I have been using represent unrealistic flex... but hey - dream big, right? <IMG SRC="smilies/grinpimp.gif" border="0">

good stuff on the arc! yes, the pinion will move down, but the longer the arms are, the less it will move for a given travel distance. as for the tj...the jeep eng's werent looking for monster travel, but a mix of good road manners and offroad ability...if you look at the "real" 4x4 companies, they are increasing the length of the arms and improving the instant center for tj lifts, while the cheap ones use the stock mounts...can you say <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0"> they are actually providing antisquat...which you dont want when you are on top of a rock...
and whats this about unrealistic flex <IMG SRC="smilies/question.gif" border="0">

ill get you my arm lengths if you want them.

Well after reading all of this I have a question for you two. On my rig the upper and lower arms are in up front It's sitting on 14in coils and it is setup very much like the picture ZukMike posted. Well What about a pan hard bar any theories on that this Is were I'm stumped I know that it should mount on the inside of the frame on the drivers side and to the out side of the pumpkin on that pass side but were and how do I know exactly were to mount it so it will work well and not hurt my travel?
Keith

Have any of you had the chance to look at RE long arm kit for the TJ? I had the chance to do some work for a guy and he has that on his Jeep. It works well, his springs are a little soft but it get's it. Anyway the kit has some nice features, If we can lay it out that'll be the direction I'll go. However I have to find the right springs, what's out there? <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

the panhard is hidden behind the drag link...
the top end mounts to the frame, bottom to the axle. wont hurt travel.
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Mike,
Approximately how much travel at the center section of the housing do most multiple-link kits give you? I see Spidertrax's 1/4 Ellipt. kit comes with a Limiting Strap <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> that appears to be ~12-14" long.

So the panhard on you set up mounts in front of the coil spring on the axle and it looks like on the outside of the frame. Thanks for explaning to some one that just don't get it.
Keith

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER:
<STRONG>Mike,
Approximately how much travel at the center section of the housing do most multiple-link kits give you? I see Spidertrax's 1/4 Ellipt. kit comes with a Limiting Strap <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> that appears to be ~12-14" long.</STRONG>

Not really sure...better to ask spidertrax.

hey Kevin,]
I'm glad to see someone told you what all those purdy colours mean. No my truck won't be be there. It will make the next one and then you'll get it! See you there! <IMG SRC="smilies/jeep1.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0">

[I AM USING VW RABBIT REAR COILS. THEY ARE 14" LONG AND REAL SOFT. THEY SEEM TO BE PERFECT BUT I AINT GOT IT GOIN YET SO I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE. THAY SURE ARE SOFT THOUGH.

If I was gonna do it I'd use some kind of small coils from roundy-round cars. Places like AFCO have every possible length and rate and they are not expensive at all. If you set it up for some oddball boneyard spring, and they arent right, its custom spring or do over time.

Originally posted by scwafish:
<STRONG>If I was gonna do it I'd use some kind of small coils from roundy-round cars. Places like AFCO </STRONG>

Thanks for the source, they have alot of info on there springs. All I have to do now is figure out what I want.

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uh, you guys want to clue me in on the AFCO part?...contact info would be nice,
What cha' cookin' up dare' fattkid.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Hey guys I was trying to find out the stock wheelbase for the sammy, any of you guys know? Also, does anyone know how much you can move the rear axle back before you start hittin the gas tank and what about the front?Thanks alot!

Originally posted by ammelk:
<STRONG>uh, you guys want to clue me in on the AFCO part?...contact info would be nice,
What cha' cookin' up dare' fattkid.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

AFCO is a racing supply Co. they have some real hardcore race gear, there is some awsome stuff if you do your own fab work. I did a search for AFCO and found there home page.
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Originally posted by nuttzack:
<STRONG>Hey guys I was trying to find out the stock wheelbase for the sammy, any of you guys know? Also, does anyone know how much you can move the rear axle back before you start hittin the gas tank and what about the front?Thanks alot!</STRONG>

No clue, have you ever thought of using a fuel cell? If you still have the space, you could put the cell anywhere you want.

i think stock wheelbase is right around 79" you can move the rear axle about 3" before it's time to do something new and exciting with the gas tank. the front is the same deal. about 3" then you have to move the steering box forward or get a box that has the pitman facing the other way.

BANGKOK HOUSE <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0">

I kept the stock gas tank and the stock steering box and moved the rear rear back 3in and the front rear 2in and every thing worked great.
Keith

Originally posted by FrostyFJ:
<STRONG>BANGKOK HOUSE <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Frosty talk thai??? <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>AFCO is a racing supply Co. they have some real hardcore race gear, there is some awsome stuff if you do your own fab work. I did a search for AFCO and found there home page.
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Thanks, I must be a net <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0">today, because I can't find what your talking about..
oh well it too early for this crap. <IMG SRC="smilies/sleep.gif" border="0">
-Thanks for in info Fatkid.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Here ya go try this, www.afcoracing.com (http://www.afcoracing.com)
thank Scawfish. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Thanks,
There's some pretty cool stuff..hmmmmm must stop thinking.. <IMG SRC="smilies/idea.gif" border="0">... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">