hey guys, I love the site and have spent many hours surfing the bulletin board here, now I have a question. I am thinking about buying some revolver shackles for my 75 cj5.... and wanted to know if anyone out there was useing them and how they liked them. do any of you have some before and after pics? let me know what you guys think of them...... thanks for your input and see you on the trails:usa: :smokin:

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I was thinkin' that too Scout, even if they work $160 a pair! I can make 'em in about an hour! HMmmm... $160....hour.....

Gotta go!

Originally posted by Old Scout
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Ditto
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Why are they :rainbow:

Is it because they offer no resistance to droop?:usa:

Originally posted by Alaska Offroad
Why are they :rainbow:

Is it because they offer no resistance to droop?:usa:
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They turn you into a STINK BUG!

is your CJ running stock setup now?
What do you want it to do better than it does now?
If stock, considr a spring change and doing SOA.
I'd recommend a shackle swap on the front too, which if done all at once will allow you to accomplish far more than a revolver can offer.
ask in the Jeep sectionand you'll likely find a local who can set you headin down the most economical-bang for the buck trail.

instead of saying that theyre :rainbow: with no explanation, let me fill you in. Ok, picture this, when your rear axle wraps up under load which way does the pinion point? Thats right, UP. Lets say you're running revolvers in the rear and you're trying to get up a steep ledge... you load up the rear axle, the pinion points toward the sky, and the revolvers unfold, then slap back together, I've seen it. Say goodbye to that cool idea known as foward motion.

Although, I wonder if they would work just fine with an anti-wrap bar?

Oh,
that is a good point! Hmmm.... I guess they arent that cool after all. Kind of a neat idea though, and probably ok for the average wheeler.:usa:

Originally posted by Alaska Offroad
Oh,
that is a good point! Hmmm.... I guess they arent that cool after all. Kind of a neat idea though, and probably ok for the average wheeler.:usa:


The average wheeler doesnt relocate his shock mounts, and usually ends up with a couple of clanking revolvers robbing uphill traction, and still dangeling his tires only as far as the stock shocks will allow.
They are the best marketing gadget since the "pet rock", and just about as usefull, if used as a paper weight.

Snake oil.

I did them. The rear axle would walk under the truck and then when I lost forward "Mo", the whole weight of the truck woud come crashing down.

Horrible feeling.

I've never ran them, but it seems to me that if you had to make a panic stop and your rear lifted the shackles could unfold then too. (granted it would have to lift a lot, but it is a possibility.)

Originally posted by Cliffhanger
I've never ran them, but it seems to me that if you had to make a panic stop and your rear lifted the shackles could unfold then too. (granted it would have to lift a lot, but it is a possibility.)

Actually, that is one place where they would NOT open up. Think about it... You apply the brakes, to try to stop the rotor which or rotating forward, the brakes try to rotate the housing forward, therefore pushing up on the rear of the spring at the shackle and down on the front eye. Basically keeps the shackle closed.


When they WOULD open up is if you tried to climb something, and had to put on your brakes while rolling or driving backwards...

500 HORS is right, they can't do anything a well tuned spring swap and SOA can do.
Don't fall for the "black bag full of majic tricks"

ok maybe :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: but they flex a lot....
http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v5/4/91/32/32849132sicQOW_ph
-Nate

OK first off lets get something straight...I am not saying that revolvers are teh end all cure and I'm not even saying they are cool. Now I will say that my Dad put them on his jeep years ago when they first came out and damn did they make his jeep flex! Even with a 4" sping under. Well after grenading a driveshaft due to axle wrap he put a traction bar on the rear. After that I can tell you with great certainty that the rear suspension DOES NOT wrap up and also does not experience the dreaded revolver unloading that is sooo common. Now the front is a different story as he has no traction bar controlling the axle wrap and it does happen when climbing steep waterfalls. Let me say this again I'm not making excuses for these things and I wouldn't put them on my jeep, but most of you guys bad mouthing them have never run them and have no personal experience with them other than seeing a rig that had a set and was properly set up to run them IE: TRACTION BAR! After saying that....... If I was you I wouldn't run them.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by DRM


Actually, that is one place where they would NOT open up. Think about it... You apply the brakes, to try to stop the rotor which or rotating forward, the brakes try to rotate the housing forward, therefore pushing up on the rear of the spring at the shackle and down on the front eye. Basically keeps the shackle closed.


Thanks sor settin' me straight HOMIE!! ;)

Originally posted by desertCJ
OK first off lets get something straight...I am not saying that revolvers are teh end all cure and I'm not even saying they are cool. Now I will say that my Dad put them on his jeep years ago when they first came out and damn did they make his jeep flex! Even with a 4" sping under. Well after grenading a driveshaft due to axle wrap he put a traction bar on the rear. After that I can tell you with great certainty that the rear suspension DOES NOT wrap up and also does not experience the dreaded revolver unloading that is sooo common. Now the front is a different story as he has no traction bar controlling the axle wrap and it does happen when climbing steep waterfalls. Let me say this again I'm not making excuses for these things and I wouldn't put them on my jeep, but most of you guys bad mouthing them have never run them and have no personal experience with them other than seeing a rig that had a set and was properly set up to run them IE: TRACTION BAR! After saying that....... If I was you I wouldn't run them.:flipoff2:



Let me set something straight, I have been experimenting with them for 4 years. I still try them out when I change geometry on my rig.
I still have 2 sets (one of the old Metal made Rites, and one set of tera's) I let freinds borrow them when they are thinking about wasting their money on them. I always tell trhem to bring the stock one with them when we start out in the morning. I dont think Ive seen a set make it past the 1st beer break on a hammer run. AND YES THEY DO UNLOAD EVEN WITH A WRAP BAR(why I dont know???, but they do) we have even filmed it.
I have had people argue with me that they dont untill they are blue in the face then we get out and line up on a vertical rock face with someone else in the driver seat and start the climb,...then they say Ohhhh.
So now let me give you my take, its not a bunch of people that have never tried them bad mouthing them, its more like a bunch of people who dont comprehensively test their equiptment, lording them up because they get a little more droop, but have never gone steep enough to notice the traction robbing little snappers holding them at the bottom of the hill.:flipoff2:

hey guys, thanks for the great info..... think i will go with the SOA and some new springs, i thought they sounded too good to be true, that is the reason for asking before before buying.....

h8monday i wish you would throw those POS in the trash because i am tired of waiting for everybody who trys them out to take them off when they relize they suck. :flipoff2:

H8Monday called it dead on.

I have spent literally HOURS specifically watching friends drive around playground areas putting several of these folding shackles into various situations, and seeing how they react.


In the end, they are all the same:

They will unfold when they are not supposed to, and they will sometimes not fold up when they are supposed to.

Out of every club member and friend who has run them, I don't know of a single one who still have them on their vehicle.

My bad, I guess wrecking ball and the rest of the hammer trails aren't really considered hardcore:rolleyes: And a jeep with revolvers would never be able to drive those trails without winching or being strapped:rolleyes: I was not attacking anyone in my previous post, just stating that I have not seen the problems that everyone was talking about on my dads jeep. Admitidly he does have some trouble climbing steep waterfalls and climbs but I am pretty sure that it has more to do with his wheelbase(CJ-5) than anything. And if you dont' believe me that his rig can wheel and the revolvers do work OK than you can come out to stodard wells with us sometime and I'll point you up a small canyon that was previously undriven and let you have a shot at it:flipoff2: It has a few small rocks, and also a couple of whimpy waterfalls:D

P.S. Like I said before I don't like them and I would not use them, but I HAVE seen them work. Can you make a standard SPOA work just as good? I think so...:smokin:

the major down fall is straight up. they unload and seem to try to make the jeep go over backwards. The guys I see use them tie their winch to the axle and suck it down for the straight up stuff. It works real well. They are perfect for boulder bashing. Like phoenix or the hammers. They allow stock jeeps to travel. Its all about money, you do what you can afford. If someone has to ask theres a lot for you to learn.( no offence) The owner of the company did real well in ARCA so who know's. Not my choice but my rig is far from stock.

I will admit that I was one of the idiots that tried the gimmick.

They are :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow:

I am just glad I sold them for something and it was not a total waste.

Think before you act:smokin:

Originally posted by camo
h8monday i wish you would throw those POS in the trash because i am tired of waiting for everybody who trys them out to take them off when they relize they suck. :flipoff2:

You wanna pull those bad boys outa the trash and try to find a way use em on that trick Link Suspension of yours dont you.
Dont be shy, Camo, just grab em, they are where they always are, in the motorhome tool box,.... with your name on em. :flipoff2:

Are you gonna bring your rig out to Reno when You come out for the comp. Bring it up we'll hit some local trails.

I used them for 4 years. I liked them overall and the only bad experience I had was one one steep waterfall climb. Snapped a centering pin. Are they for the So called "Hard-Core" wheeler? Probably not but. Are they a Gimmick...sure but they work for what they were intended. There are a lot of gimmicks out there but they aren't collectively known as "Gimmicks"

I still experiement with them now even though I'm SOA. I probably will continue to do so. I don't feel as though I have to follow the crowd in order to fit in.

Here's the pic of the ONE time that I had trouble with them:

http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v1/7/49/44/30874944khRSGmHdkK_ph


Oh, and I also never had issues with the D35. It was the D30 that pissed me off enough to go to D60rear, 44 front.

OK folks I just bought a set of Revolvers so I am curious about this unloading problem.

As far as I know I have the first set of Revolvers In the UK and as we dont have the vertical rock climbs that you folks do I was wondering what peoples experience with these shackles was apart from this problem. How do they do in extreme conditions that dont involve near vertical climbs????

If near vertical climbs are the only problem with these shackles then for most of us they proberbly count as an improvement.

Last but not least a newbie :flipoff2: question. If unloading and axle hop are the main problem wont a centre limiting strap cure most of this:question: :question: :question:

Preparing for the flames and ducking now:rolleyes: