SOR!!!

[zuk88]

Well, I made it home with a few new trail trophies and a few more friends. I just have to say that running the 'Con for the first time with a bunch of zuks was awsome. The trail was much rougher than I expected and the zuk faired well with minor damage. I did miss some Santa Rosa boyz(poppy,scwafish,tusker????) Did you get lost??? <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"> <IMG width=424 height=318 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/gatekeeper.jpg"> <IMG width=424 height=318 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/conrear.jpg"> <IMG width=424 height=318 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/con3.jpg"> <IMG width=424 height=318 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/spiderlake.jpg">
<IMG width=424 height=318 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/zukpile.jpg">

Next phase of modification:
front missing link YJs
front locker
axle truss and pumpkin skids
On board air
5.12 gears

[M.Martian]

I did see a tan convertible with stripes on the backside of the lil sluice as I was pulling out on Saturday. Since I was tagging behind a few others I didn't get to stop and see who it was.

If you didn't see the other post, I have pics posted at http://members.home.net/mmartinez

[zuk88]

I didn't get any pics on my digi of me actually wheelin'. They are on my buddies cam. and he's back on the trail with his Comanche until next week. I'll post some wheels up shots then.

[fatkid]

I bet it made you think you have a lot of work to do on your rig huh. Last big run I went on it made me feel like I had work to do. Anyone in for the big jam at the Hammers? Frostoberfest should be awsome!!! Any takers?

[Tusker]

The tan rig was me and scwafish. Sorry I missed you guys, but my wife broke three toes just before we were going to leave so I was delayed <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> . We didn't get in there until noon on Saturday, just when everyone else was leaving. I did get to talk to a few folks, but missed you guys. Oh well, there is always next year.

Hey Marvin, how is your brother doing on his rig? In answer to his question, you do not have to redrill the front perches and relocate the front axle with his set up (like you do on the rear). He was scaring me the other night with his welding story <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> . I hope he got those front missing links re-done. Tell him he can call me tonight if he still has questions.

Zuk88, I have your steering rag joint. We will hookup again someday.

[Tusker]

Fatkid. Where do we get info on the Frostoberfest? Sounds like a possibility, as long as it doesn't conflict with my annual application of firearms against various horned and hairy critters....

[fatkid]

Let me ask the what the final word is for the Hammers, I know that it's still in the month of October and it's at Johnson Valley. As far as the dates, I've heard a few so I ask some questions. I also thought It would be cool to wheel with some Zuk's, the Carnage on the Con was fun but there was only 2 Zuks in the whole bunch. As a matter of fact I only had the chance to wheel with the guy formerly know as Rokzuki, and that was only on the way to the box.

[zuk88]

Tusker
I didn't leave until Sunday morning (8:AM)! Where did you Camp?? I was just above Glenn on the granite slab.

Fatkid
YES!! I'll start the tear down soon. My next mods are:
1. Remove and toss the crappy Calmini shackle reverse(does not belong on the rocks at all)
2. Buy Trail Toughs new YJ missing link front end kit
3. Add pumkin caps and/or axle trusses
4. front locker
5. 2" backspaced wheels
6. on-board air(mine burned up on the second tire at the Dam, Big thanks goes out to WAZUKS for airin' me up)
7. Did I mention a front locker?
8. Power steering or knuckle over steering
9. 32" BFG mud T/As
and last but not least a f*&%in' front locker!!! I had to pull the seat cover out of my ass more than once on this ride.
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[fatkid]

Ever thought about doing the Toyota SOA? Sounds like you haven't spent too much on you axles now to start over on some Toy's. Suzuki axles will always be Suzuki axles, get out of them before you really spend money.You'll be happier with the a stronger running gear in the long run. Just my .02

[fatkid]

Originally posted by Tusker:
<STRONG>Fatkid. Where do we get info on the Frostoberfest? Sounds like a possibility, as long as it doesn't conflict with my annual application of firearms against various horned and hairy critters....</STRONG>

Going over shortly to talk to the orical(Krusty) to find out the date for the Frostoberfest. Should have sumpt'n soon.....
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[toyzilla]

If not a toyota SOA, go with a D44. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Hey FatKid, Any reason to go with the toy axles over the chevy's??

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: toyzilla ]

[M.Martian]

I thought that might have been you.

I haven't talked to my brother about his yet, but I think he has it done except for driveline spacers and the front shackles (UPS left him a note because he wasn't there).

[RokHeep]

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>Let me ask the what the final word is for the Hammers, I know that it's still in the month of October and it's at Johnson Valley. As far as the dates, I've heard a few so I ask some questions. I also thought It would be cool to wheel with some Zuk's, the Carnage on the Con was fun but there was only 2 Zuks in the whole bunch. As a matter of fact I only had the chance to wheel with the guy formerly know as Rokzuki, and that was only on the way to the box.</STRONG>

haha, "the guy formerly known as RokZuki?!?! <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> I still have my Zuk... For a while. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[RokHeep]

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>Ever thought about doing the Toyota SOA? Sounds like you haven't spent too much on you axles now to start over on some Toy's. Suzuki axles will always be Suzuki axles, get out of them before you really spend money.You'll be happier with the a stronger running gear in the long run. Just my .02</STRONG>

Excellent Advice. I would take it if I were you. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[M.Martian]

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>Ever thought about doing the Toyota SOA? Sounds like you haven't spent too much on you axles now to start over on some Toy's. Suzuki axles will always be Suzuki axles, get out of them before you really spend money.You'll be happier with the a stronger running gear in the long run. Just my .02</STRONG>

This thought is the biggest thing that is keeping me from doing anything to my stock axles. I just haven't decided what to do just yet, so they are remaining open with stock gears.

I may upgrade to the Toy axles and will probably go spring over at the same time. The only thing I will have to have redone is put to put some adapters on my driveshafts that I picked up from Asian Auto.

I was pretty surprised and happy with how the zuk performed up there with YJ's and 31's still being spring under and opened front and rear.

[fatkid]

The official dates I got from the Krusty Tin Bender is October 13 and 14, However I'm sure the freek show will start by about the 10th or 11th. If anyone is interested in going there is always room at the Tin Bender camp.. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[Rudezuk]

Fatkid...this may be a good trip for me to take!!! Ill have to look at my schedule, but i think it is pretty open!! Is it for all or just zuks?? I could have a pretty good crowd to go with me!....jeeps,bronco's, and toys!

[fatkid]

Originally posted by toyzilla:
<STRONG>If not a toyota SOA, go with a D44. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Hey FatKid, Any reason to go with the toy axles over the chevy's??

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: toyzilla ]</STRONG>

The only reason that I would go 44's over Toy's is the width, if you plan on sticking with the full width I'd do it. If not I'd go with the Toy set up, my reasons;
keep it as light as possible
Toy third member (there is only one)
parts are cheap and readily avalible
the brake lines even hook up
all steel housing
all pro hy-steer arms
on the trail every other rig is a toyota, parts
Birs are easy to change
more ground clearence than a 44
Bla,Bla,Bla
there is a school of thought behind the 44 vs. Toy swap
who knows these are some of my reasons <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Originally posted by RudeZuk:
<STRONG>Fatkid...this may be a good trip for me to take!!! Ill have to look at my schedule, but i think it is pretty open!! Is it for all or just zuks?? I could have a pretty good crowd to go with me!....jeeps,bronco's, and toys!</STRONG>

I'm sure it's open to all who wheel, it's just a big jam at the Hammers. You need to go. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Originally posted by RokZuki:
<STRONG>Excellent Advice. I would take it if I were you. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Rokzuki/Rokjeep has seen what I run, it works well. I even think I had him sold on the Toy set up if he hadn't bought Suicidal Frankistien. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Originally posted by M Martian:
<STRONG>I was pretty surprised and happy with how the zuk performed up there with YJ's and 31's still being spring under and opened front and rear.</STRONG>

If your surprised with that, a SOA with a new set axles will blow your mind. Not to mention you already have the spring work done. You could fully be getting it with a Toy conversion!!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">

[zuk88]

Well,... I have to say that I saw some zuk axles take some serious beatings on the trail and I was amazed that I didn't see more breakage. I'm going to set up a set of zuk axles instead of toys or 44's for a "Suzuki puriest" kind of reason. I want to keep her all zuk. I like the narrow with of the axles and the ground clearence they give over 44's and toys. Gears and lockers are cheap and so are replacement axles. I don't hammer my rig , I like to think I finess my way through the trail. I know I'll run the risk of breaking more often with 32" tires, but if I wanted Toyota parts I would have built a Toyota, if I wanted 44s I would have built a Jeep. I don't mean any disrespect to any one not running stock axles,ect... I just would like to see how far I can go and still keep her all Suzuki. Just my .02
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Thanks for all the different views and ideas. Thats why I like this board, we can all be different and still get along <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

That will work, my Suzuki is a single purpose rig. I set out to make trail ready with what ever it would take. I also wanted it to be able to handle the hardest runs. I see your view, good luck. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[poppycock]

october sounds mighty fine to me. i'm sure i'll be going.

[fatkid]

Originally posted by poppycock:
<STRONG>october sounds mighty fine to me. i'm sure i'll be going.</STRONG>

I look forward to wheeling with ya... <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/skull.gif" border="0">

[toyzilla]

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>The only reason that I would go 44's over Toy's is the width, if you plan on sticking with the full width I'd do it. If not I'd go with the Toy set up, my reasons;
keep it as light as possible
Toy third member (there is only one)
parts are cheap and readily avalible
the brake lines even hook up
all steel housing
all pro hy-steer arms
on the trail every other rig is a toyota, parts
Birs are easy to change
more ground clearence than a 44
Bla,Bla,Bla
there is a school of thought behind the 44 vs. Toy swap
who knows these are some of my reasons <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>


Thats funny you say this. I drive a toyota right now and I am changing over to a D44 front and 12 bolt rear. The main reason is that I want to go 62" wide. My next project is going to be a sammy. What is the axle width of the zook? I know that I would want to go a little wider than a stock sammy.

[RokHeep]

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>Rokzuki/Rokjeep has seen what I run, it works well. I even think I had him sold on the Toy set up if he hadn't bought Suicidal Frankistien. :</STRONG>

Your Toy axles do a GREAT job. I would have went that way eventually, You just confirmed my existing plans! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Now it's all about the 35 spline 60's! <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Originally posted by toyzilla:
<STRONG>
Thats funny you say this. I drive a toyota right now and I am changing over to a D44 front and 12 bolt rear. The main reason is that I want to go 62" wide. My next project is going to be a sammy. What is the axle width of the zook? I know that I would want to go a little wider than a stock sammy.</STRONG>

I'm not even sure about the stock width, never even messed with the stock stuff. As for the 44's, width is the only reason that I would go that direction.

[toyzilla]

So fatkid, what are the specs on yours??

[Tin Bender]

83 toy's
5.29's and lock-rights
Allpro high-steer
spring perches cut and turned
15x10's on 3" backspace

[scwafish]

I put an 86 toy rear and toy/d44 hybrid on the front and its pretty wide for a zuk, but way less wide than a fullsize setup. I think its gonna work out sweet.

[mas2]

Zuk88 you will change your mind later. I had Suzuki axle and they suck. I have broke every axle on the Sami. Toyota is alot better.

Mike

[mas2]

fatkid how has the Toyota axle held up so far?

[M.Martian]

My brother had those missing links re-welded. He did have one question though. How long of a front brakeline does he need?

[fatkid]

Originally posted by mas2:
<STRONG>fatkid how has the Toyota axle held up so far?</STRONG>

So far the Toyota axles have help up to everything I can dish out. I also run the All-Pro Hy-Steer arms with 3/4 hiems and 1" .250 wall tie rod and drag link. To this point the only problem I have had is that my gear oil spills out when the Suzuki is on it side, I think I have a bad seal at the shifter on the tranny. I'll let you know if I have any problems... <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[Gozuki]

88, I hate to say it, but I think you'll be way ahead in the long run by going toy or 44s. Even a cj 30 front would be better than the zuk stuff. I was like you for a year or so, PITA. Spend so much time and $ beefing the weak links of the axles, not enough time wheeling...Mike

[Super Dave]

Originally posted by zuk88:
<STRONG>Well, I made it home with a few new trail trophies and a few more friends. I just have to say that running the 'Con for the first time with a bunch of zuks was awsome. The trail was much rougher than I expected and the zuk faired well with minor damage. I did miss some Santa Rosa boyz(poppy,scwafish,tusker????) Did you get lost??? <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">

Next phase of modification:
front missing link YJs
front locker
axle truss and pumpkin skids
On board air
5.12 gears</STRONG>

it was a great trip, my second time being there and my son's first. he is making plans to go back next year, but next time we are going to trailer up...that is a long drive from here on Boggers.

we meet some great new friends, even though I can't remember names...and from this site I am even more lost for names...lol

We enjoyed meeting all of you!

Dave

[RokHeep]

Originally posted by Super Dave:
<STRONG>it was a great trip, my second time being there and my son's first. he is making plans to go back next year, but next time we are going to trailer up...that is a long drive from here on Boggers.

we meet some great new friends, even though I can't remember names...and from this site I am even more lost for names...lol

We enjoyed meeting all of you!

Dave</STRONG>

Hey Dave Where's my panhard bar parts!?!? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

[Super Dave]

Originally posted by RokJeep:
<STRONG>Hey Dave Where's my panhard bar parts!?!? <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

do you still need them? I had them with me at SOR for you.....

Dave

[TNToy]

Originally posted by toyzilla:
<STRONG>Hey FatKid, Any reason to go with the toy axles over the chevy's??</STRONG>

<font color="yellow">[b]Well, there are a few: Toy axle is about 8" narrower. A Toyota front axle is 58" wide, versus 67" for most Fullwidth gear.
They're a hell of a lot lighter
Two words... Electric Locker
The differential pulls out with about 10 minutes worth of work.
They're all flat-top knuckles (Hy-Steer, anyone?)
Changing Birfield joints on the trail is fun. Really.
And finally... FJ-80 High-Pinion 3rd member(see below) I would think that you all would want to run this differential in a Samurai - it's even reverse-cut for the front. I have yet to see a mention of any Sammy owner running these. Why?
Typical Toyota Diff:
http://www.offroadsolutions.com/images/products/drivetrain/v6thirdmember.jpg

High Pinion Differential:
http://www.offroadsolutions.com/images/products/drivetrain/highpinionthirdmember.jpg
</font>

[ 08-15-2001: Message edited by: MasterYota ]

[RokHeep]

Originally posted by Super Dave:
<STRONG>do you still need them? I had them with me at SOR for you.....

Dave</STRONG>

No, I just wanted to give you some crap about it! <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

[scwafish]

Masteryoda-I have a fj80hp in the front of my sami, I think Oilburner has them front and rear.

[Tusker]

Mark, He doesn't need brakelines that are very log. 16" or so is more than enough. He might as well get 20-inchers though in my opinion. If he is like the rest of us, he will be sprung-over with 35's on Toyota or Dana 44 axles in a few years and then he would need the extra length. I recently ordered a set from "Wheeler's off-road". They seemed to be the cheapest for brake lines.

[toyzilla]

If I ran the chevy axles on a sammy I would cut the axle down. Also I would rather change a ujoint on the trail instead of a birf. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

Originally posted by toyzilla:
<STRONG>If I ran the chevy axles on a sammy I would cut the axle down. Also I would rather change a ujoint on the trail instead of a birf. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

I'd say the opposite. U-joints are a PITA!!

[fatkid]

Toyzilla, tell me about your rig.

[Tin Bender]

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>I'd say the opposite. U-joints are a PITA!!</STRONG>

I'm with youon this one.... With very little grease on um, they'r a snap (pun intended)....lol

U-joints are a PITA..

[toyzilla]

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>Toyzilla, tell me about your rig.</STRONG>

89 4Runner
V6
5.29's
Still has ifs (soon to be SAS with D44 front and 12 bolt rear)
Lift: 7" front 8" rear (4runner sag) <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
35x15.50 SX's on 15x12 Alcoas

I am starting project ZillaGod <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> which will include the sas with 5.38 and arb front and rear, crawler, on board air, cutting the axles down to 62", and some other mods. <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0">

After this is done I would like to get a sammy for my next project. That is why I have been hanging out here! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[toyzilla]

Originally posted by The OG Bender..:
<STRONG> I'm with youon this one.... With very little grease on um, they'r a snap (pun intended)....lol

U-joints are a PITA..</STRONG>

I know I will get crap with this one, but... I feel u-joints are stronger then the birfs.

Since a sammy is light, the toy axles with birfs should not be a problem.

I know I would want to go wider then the sammy axles. I asked this question earlier, but no one answered, what is the width on the sammy axles? or how much wider is the toy axles then the sammy, if at all?

[fatkid]

IFS=Birs????

[Tin Bender]

I can't remember right off, but I think the toys are only like an 1 or 2 wider...

A god jount it stronger than a birf, but the thing is it's a PITA to change u's on the trail...

[toyzilla]

Originally posted by fatkid:
<STRONG>IFS=Birs????</STRONG>

NO, but I had an 85 toy truck so I know about them birfs! <IMG SRC="smilies/eyemouth.gif" border="0">

[fatkid]

that explains it, <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">