I didn't wash or wax the Zuk today :rolleyes:, but here's some pics anyways. Took about 2 hours to pull the motor.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02motor/Dscn1225.jpg

It's been dribbling coolant down the side since the rebuild.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02motor/Dscn1226.jpg

And slinging oil from somewhere up front.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02motor/Dscn1236.jpg

Apparently there are two styles of oil pickup tubes floating around out there.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02motor/Dscn1252.jpg

Almost back together. Here's the Canyon States P/S bracket, I added the piece of angle to make a tensioner. I wasn't getting enough wrap around the P/S pulley and A/C compressor pulley. Since I am dropping the A/C components I will either rework the bracket or maybe make a new one. On that subject, does anyone know what the thread is on the hi-pressure side P/S hoses are (Toy Truck)? If they are NPT can I use any old P/S pump, like from a Chevy? I was kicking around maybe doing a pump upgrade. The Celica pump squirts oil out the front seal if I get the tires wedged good.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02motor/Dscn1257.jpg

Has anyone had the chance to compare the Celica pump to the IFS pump yet?

Get rid of that :rainbow: Fram filter will ya!!
Do the homework Fram blows :-0

:flipoff2:

I read an artical a couple of years back about oil filters. the top four were Wix, John Deer, and Ford Motor Craft, and puralator. Dont rember the order. Some of the cheaper filters where the paper elament was joined back together at the starting point of the wrap they were just folded over and not glued or bonded together with rubber. the other point of interest was at the base and top where they just butted up agains the metal with paper. the better filters are bonded to rubber where they make contact with the metal.

I use a toyota filter now, had to change the oil and didnt realize I didnt have one for the Zuk but had plenty of genuine toy filters for the the 4Rnr work like charm.

Originally posted by mini4by
Get rid of that :rainbow: Fram filter will ya!!
Do the homework Fram blows :-0

:flipoff2:

I read that oil filter article, there's one on the web somewhere too. The way I see it, my rig might see 200 miles this year so who gives a crap? I also buy the cheapest, no-name brand oil too :D

originally posted by Azrckcrawler The way I see it, my rig might see 200 miles this year so who gives a crap? I also buy the cheapest, no-name brand oil too

Sounds like unprotected Sex condums are overated:D

jus screwn with ya chris point taken

Originally posted by fatkid
Has anyone had the chance to compare the Celica pump to the IFS pump yet?
Fatty....I have been told and heard that the pumps are almost identicle! very little difference in them at all....if you need some more pressure from the pump, replace the spring or place a small shim in there....this will bump the pressure up a little more before the relief opens up.

I was able to do this with a kick pump using a kick box.....i can turn the 37's one handed locked up!

So is a big block going in her now chris???

My pump works great, thought for a sec with all the Guys that may run the Celica that they could up grade to the IFS Pump if there is even a Difference. I've never heard of the IFS pump squirting oil from the front seal though...

Originally posted by fatkid
My pump works great, thought for a sec with all the Guys that may run the Celica that they could up grade to the IFS Pump if there is even a Difference. I've never heard of the IFS pump squirting oil from the front seal though...

Maybe I'll go see if I can find one to compare. My A/C kit came with a huge secondary pulley, I'd guess another 2" bigger in dia than the stock Zuk A/C pulley. The oil seal on the celica pump couldn't take that pulley, it leaked oil out the front seal constantly so I went back to the smaller pulley. The frist trip on Annihilator we caught the oil shooting on video, I was turning the tire into a wall to get traction, at first I thought one of teh lines let go.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02motor/Dscn1258.jpg

I am thinking about using the tensioner that came with the A/C setup and then move the P/S pump down lower.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02motor/Dscn1259.jpg

Of course if I can get a better pump, might as well put it in there now......

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/3-02motor/Dscn1262.jpg

hey...how many of you guys are running an electric fan(or 2)on their zuk? i noticed a HUGE difference in everything when i first switched over to the electric in my zuk...i also tackle pretty much all types of terrain, rocks don't really require that little of an ooompff; but what about the cooling? mine used to heat up pretty damn good when i was out crawlin with the stock clutch-type fan....what are your guys' .02 on this? who's runnin em'?

-justin

Chris,

Have you considered a Saginaw TC pump? They are a small remote reservoir design, found on quite a few American cars. You can also get race car versions (higher flow/pres) for just over $100 new. They are easy to mod for high flow (full hydro or hydro assist) or the pressure can be bumped to about 1000 psi (stock is about 800). I've read that the foreign stuff like Toy makes lower pressure than the Saginaw units. Mounting is also pretty simple with three 6mm bolds on the face (top one threaded and two going full length)...

I got my first one from a salvage yard off a LeMans car (they have a great 3 bold pulley flange). Also can be found on many late model Cherokees..

Please excuse the AGR link, I was just trying to find a picture and application info.... :)
http://www.agrperformance.com/agr/catalog-price-list/118?model=114

You would probably get a little more out of the pump if you run a smaller pulley. You'll see most cars run underdrive to the pump, but most pickups and trucks will be 1:1 or even a few overdrives. I never got an exact number for what RPM the TC pump can handle, but one of the race car shops told me they've run them over 8K without a problem. Since we really need the power at low RPM crawling, bumping the pump speed might really help.

Has anyone had the chance to compare the Celica pump to the IFS pump yet?

Fatty-I did. They look nearly identical with two exceptions: 1) the pressure output is in the back of a celica pump and on the side of the ifs and 2) the celica has parallel monting ears on the body (making a pivot type tensioner easy) the ifs mounts are offset.

how many of you guys are running an electric fan(or 2)on their zuk? i noticed a HUGE difference in everything when i first switched over to the electric in my zuk

Cool. I put one in my zuk, but havent tried it yet. If anyone is consudering this the new flexalite 110 (for "fast and furious" applications) is nicely made and fits a zuk core PERFECTLY. Even comes in different colors!

Originally posted by scwafish
Even comes in different colors.Khaki, in the Krylon Ultra-Flat line? No?

Oh well, if I can paint it :rainbow: I might sign up... :D

As an interesting side note. One of the guys that went to Moab was sporting a new power steering pump.. and it wasn'tr engine driven!

He had used an eletric pump from a Toyota MR2. At full tilt it draws about 60 amps, but that is adjustable. Pretty neat actually. He can even turn it off if he wants.

Why? Why not? As a benefit to highway power, you simply turn it off when not needed, and keep a little more engine power for moving the vehicle rather then pumping fluid that isn't needed.

I like the idea of hooking up a VSS to it, and adjusting the amount of pumped fluid. Just think of it, a variable power assist for the Zuks.. :smokin:

Thought I'd share..

Chris, make sure you check the PCV valve and tubes. They are a common cause for the crank and cam seal leaks.

-Wayne

Originally posted by scwafish


Fatty-I did. They look nearly identical with two exceptions: 1) the pressure output is in the back of a celica pump and on the side of the ifs and 2) the celica has parallel monting ears on the body (making a pivot type tensioner easy) the ifs mounts are offset.



Cool. I put one in my zuk, but havent tried it yet. If anyone is consudering this the new flexalite 110 (for "fast and furious" applications) is nicely made and fits a zuk core PERFECTLY. Even comes in different colors!

I ran an electric for a little while, it was worse than the stock fan down here. The one thing the stock fan has going for it is the shroud, if you could find an electric that could use the stock fan shroud you'd have the best of both worlds.

Originally posted by okcrawler
Chris,

Have you considered a Saginaw TC pump? They are a small remote reservoir design, found on quite a few American cars. You can also get race car versions (higher flow/pres) for just over $100 new. They are easy to mod for high flow (full hydro or hydro assist) or the pressure can be bumped to about 1000 psi (stock is about 800). I've read that the foreign stuff like Toy makes lower pressure than the Saginaw units. Mounting is also pretty simple with three 6mm bolds on the face (top one threaded and two going full length)...

I got my first one from a salvage yard off a LeMans car (they have a great 3 bold pulley flange). Also can be found on many late model Cherokees..

Please excuse the AGR link, I was just trying to find a picture and application info.... :)
http://www.agrperformance.com/agr/catalog-price-list/118?model=114

You would probably get a little more out of the pump if you run a smaller pulley. You'll see most cars run underdrive to the pump, but most pickups and trucks will be 1:1 or even a few overdrives. I never got an exact number for what RPM the TC pump can handle, but one of the race car shops told me they've run them over 8K without a problem. Since we really need the power at low RPM crawling, bumping the pump speed might really help.

I'll have to look into that after Moab, too many projects, too little time. That larger pulley on the main will do the same thing as a smaller pulley on the pump.

Originally posted by izooki13
hey...how many of you guys are running an electric fan(or 2)on their zuk? i noticed a HUGE difference in everything when i first switched over to the electric in my zuk...i also tackle pretty much all types of terrain, rocks don't really require that little of an ooompff; but what about the cooling? mine used to heat up pretty damn good when i was out crawlin with the stock clutch-type fan....what are your guys' .02 on this? who's runnin em'?

-justin

I run an electric fan that is rated at 1800 cfm, it came with it's own shroud. Works great...:)

Bass-You may want to see if they are going to offer the limited edition rainbow warrior fan, but you may have to settle for black, although they do come in red or blue.

AZ- the fan does come with a sealed shroud that is the exact size of a zuk radiator, also comes with a variable kick-on switch.

http://www.flex-a-lite.com/auto/110B_210R.gif

Ooooooooo.....Ahhhhhhhh :D

He had used an eletric pump from a Toyota MR2. At full tilt it draws about 60 amps, but that is adjustable. Pretty neat actually. He can even turn it off if he wants.

I saw a zuk on Barrett that one of these out of a Subaru and it was really cool, I looked into it and they are hard to find and a lot of dough.

you gotta love the ricer crowd, they come up with the funniest shit, who gives a fawk about having a color matching fan:question:

btw, how many CFM do you need for a 1.3. i'm considering switching to electric to try and get back a few much needed ponies

Originally posted by dychen
btw, how many CFM do you need for a 1.3. i'm considering switching to electric to try and get back a few much needed ponies

I didn't notice any diffference hp power wise, the electric fan just put more of a load on the wimpy stock alternator, not a good thing on night runs with 8 lights, cb and other stuff draining power.

I am hoping that it will move more air at idle and low rpms. I wouldnt be surprised if there were no power gains. I'm not sure how many CFM a zuk needs, but these were designed for hot-rodded 1600s so hopefully they are up to the job.

Originally posted by rotozuk
He had used an eletric pump from a Toyota MR2. At full tilt it draws about 60 amps, but that is adjustable. Pretty neat actually. He can even turn it off if he wants.
-Wayne

:eek: cool. i don't even want to guess as how much that would cost......But!- hmmmmmm, i wonder if some other, cheaper "alternative" electric pump could be sourced to do the same thing.
i love ideas like this. what year MR2 ?

my buddy got a fan from a scrapped taurus, and fitted it into his 87 ranger....the fan was worth 10 bucks from the scrapyard, and payed another 35 for the new motor and cools his very hot 2.9L like a charm....not sure of the cfm, but draws somthing in the neighborhood of 13 amps or something like that....im not sure on the current, but it is barely noticeable on his stock alt that is like 52 Amps....again im not sure the exact #.
as far as drawing too much for the zuk...get the gm alt., it works really nice, it's cheap, they're readily available, and they stock up both of my batt.s pretty friggin good.
-justin

i got a 105 amp chrome -bling bling- gm alt already. i was hoping going to electric would get a little strain off my engine for a little more power.

so pretty much any 12 inch electric fan will be enough for a zuki

After did a search I got this post about installing a electric fan in a Zuk.

I actually swaped my old 1.6 8V carburated to a 1.6 16V MPFI from a Suzuki Esteem (named Baleno down here) and need to clear the distributor to the firewall moving the engine forward 2".

Know I am not able to run the belt fan and like to install a electric fan. I have a A/C 13" electric fan from a Mercedes 500 SEC but I am not sure how many CFMs it has or if A/C fans has much less CFMs than a engine fans.

Are A/C electric fans less powerfull?

originaly posted by rotozuk Why? Why not? As a benefit to highway power, you simply turn it off when not needed, and keep a little more engine power for moving the vehicle rather then pumping fluid that isn't needed.

I like the idea of the electric pump. but if it is electric, turning it off on the highway is not going to give you more power;) . you already have more power because your motor is not turning the fluids to begin with.

Originally posted by izooki13
my buddy got a fan from a scrapped taurus, and fitted it into his 87 ranger....

Like this?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/taurus/

Be careful when switching to electric fans.

I have seen several cases, one last month on a suzuki, that the electric fan restricted air flow at high speeds.

The elec fan was installed on the samurai after doing the 1.6 swap, and Gary though it would pull more air. He was right at low speeds, not at high speeds.

It worked great on the trail, but ran hot on the road.
Back at camp that night, Gary pulled the electric off and put the clutch fan back on and has been problem free since.
I guess if it's not broken, don't fix it.

I have a celica pspump and box, and a hydraulic assist redneck ram. The flow and pressure were both elevated over stock. The flow was altered by opening up certain passages-drilling and grinding. The pressure was altered by removing a bronze washer and allowing a mechanism to thread in closer to the body. I however experienced a front shaft seal that was completely blown out. overpressure was believed to be causing the seal to fail. So I gave up the very little extra power and reshimmed. I still had a tiny leak, but it was drastically reduced. I then added Lucas ps stop leak and trail tested on the Con twice, last weekend being the most recent trial and I have absolutely no leaking and have plenty of steering to go around. Maybe you should not bump your pressure up. As a side note another differance in the two pumps (ifs and celica) is that the celica is a larger pump with greater flow and power. Also a major diff not mentioned above is that the ifs has a top mount resevoir and the celica a remote resevoir.

Originally posted by killr-b
Also a major diff not mentioned above is that the ifs has a top mount resevoir and the celica a remote resevoir.



actually, this can depend on the year/model as well, some Celicas came with top mount reservoirs.....

I have a 1981 Celica pump sitting at home that came with a top mount reservoir-everything else about the pump is identical-
except instead of a threaded hole where the low pressure line attaches, the bottom of the reservoir has an O-ringed stub that fits into the un-threaded opening.

I saw one or two other clone pumps at the junk yard that I didn't get from Celicas, because of this.

Possibly it has to do with the "Supra" designation, I dunno. Early years were just Celicas, then they had Celica-SUPRA then they dropped the Celica part and just had Supra.

who knows:D

didn't this thread start off with an oily engine then went to electric fans, electric power steering pumps and now to celica pumps?:laughing: