: 1.6 engine swap plate?


TrxR
02-01-2006, 11:52 AM
Does anyone know where I could get a template or measurements for the starter location for the plate needed to swap a 8v 1.6 into my samurai ?? Also does anyone know the thickness of the plate?

Thanks

GA_ZUKI
02-01-2006, 01:12 PM
heck for $35.00 shipping included

i'll ship you a plate cut out

weedwacker
02-01-2006, 02:17 PM
heck for $35.00 shipping included

i'll ship you a plate cut outCan't beat that!

Get the sheetmetal plates that are between the engine /trans of each engine over lay them the top two holes locate the same place.

tinbeater
02-01-2006, 03:05 PM
heck for $35.00 shipping included

i'll ship you a plate cut out

Does that include the bolts?

TrxR
02-01-2006, 03:24 PM
Thanks for the replies . Weve got access to the steel and tools to cut it :) Does anyone know what thickness the plate is??

Thanks

GA_ZUKI
02-01-2006, 05:28 PM
Does that include the bolts?


NOPE,...............

that would be more

i have a couple of plates lazer cut already but i'm out of the 2 special bolt's at the moment

i normaly sell the kit for 125.00 which is with shipping included

purevil71
02-01-2006, 06:29 PM
I'd like/need one of those plates too.....

cajunsuzukispider
02-01-2006, 06:39 PM
hey guys, don't forget that the kit to put in the 1.6l 8valve also includes new adapted motor mounts, at least on one side. the other side is a little spacer plate. and they are 1/4" thick.

cajunsuzukispider
02-01-2006, 06:42 PM
oh yeah, you need the sidekick starter too. and when you go shopping for a high pressure fuel pump for your TBI, you can ask for an external universal mount pump for a 72 lincoln. they're like 80 bucks new, as opposed to the 450 bucks for suzuki's pump. the gpm and psi are almost exactly the same specs. just a pound or 2 more psi range, or something like that. It works great! a perfect mount for it is an old ignition coil bracket for a carb'd sammy. jd

tinbeater
02-01-2006, 06:59 PM
NOPE,...............

that would be more

i have a couple of plates lazer cut already but i'm out of the 2 special bolt's at the moment

i normaly sell the kit for 125.00 which is with shipping included
Hey GA Zuki where did you find them P.I.T.A. bolts? PM. me a price with the bolts please. Thanks.

tinbeater
02-01-2006, 07:07 PM
I'd like/need one of those plates too.....
Hey purevil Whats you building? hows the axle swap going? You Indiana guys going to Harlan Memoral weekend with us?

TrxR
02-02-2006, 09:12 AM
what do the special bolts look like? are they counter sunk bolts??

TrxR
02-02-2006, 09:13 AM
what do the special bolts look like? are they counter sunk bolts??

TrxR
02-02-2006, 09:14 AM
What do these special bolts look like? are they countersunk bolts? what type of head do they have??

Thanks

TrxR
02-02-2006, 09:16 AM
What do these bolts look like? Are they countersunk and what type of head do they use??

jamesmross
02-02-2006, 09:23 AM
They don't seem too special. They're just 19mm/ 3/4in head with a fine thread metric shank. Maybe they're special cause they're metric thread?

purevil71
02-02-2006, 09:50 AM
Hey purevil Whats you building? hows the axle swap going? You Indiana guys going to Harlan Memoral weekend with us?

Not to Hyjack....Toy axle swap is almost finished. Just waiting on the gears and lockers to get here. Getting ready for the 1.6 swap, and instaling the TOY IFS P/S stuff now. After that, it's off to our local stomping grounds for a little shake down.
Think were having Fab Fest that weekend. One of the ladies in the club wants to SPOA her zuk and put in a rear locker.

TrxR
02-02-2006, 10:33 AM
Sorry about the multiple replies:( my browser was taking a dump:(

GA_ZUKI
02-02-2006, 02:24 PM
big debt but to cut to the chase.

the normal bolt you can find is M10 x 1.5 x 35mm

the problem is the 1.5 pitch. it needs to be 1.25

i can buy them all day long if i want to get a case of them and they have to imported from germany

ROSCO_P
02-02-2006, 03:52 PM
I put a 1.6 16v in my sammi and used a fuel pump out of a 87 ford f150 it mounts on the frame rail it was less than a 100 bucks. Had to put a lift pump in the system also to keep it from burning up. i think it puts out over 30psi and works just fine.

jones
02-02-2006, 11:15 PM
Tap the holes for a more common bolt. I did. :D

LittleBlackSambo
02-04-2006, 12:34 AM
<snip> high pressure fuel pump for your TBI, you can ask for an external universal mount pump for a 72 lincoln. <snip>

72 lincoln what? which model/engine/option? pics?

cajunsuzukispider
02-04-2006, 09:04 AM
72 lincoln anything, I think. as long as it was a big car. I had to convince the autozone girl that she did indeed have a book somewhere that compared gpm and psi of all the fuel pumps. She eventually found it, and I searched it all for the perfect replacement, and that was it.

Additionally, I have a close friend that works at S&L Bolt here in Lafayette, La. on Cameron street, and they should have everything, even that 1.25 pitch on a flathead. that's what I remember the special bolts as, flatheads, I'm positive about it. you have to bolt it to the tranny with em first, then bolt the tranny to the motor. james

tinbeater
02-04-2006, 12:30 PM
72 lincoln what? which model/engine/option? pics?
I ran a fuel pump from a 88 ford f150. Works great. I dont know about the 72 Lincoln I thought it was carbed :confused: and I dont know if it has enough PSI. for the 1.6 injected motor

LittleBlackSambo
02-04-2006, 11:58 PM
yeah, come to think of it the only things that were fuel injected in 72 were alcohol dragsters... i'm not very convinced...

cajunsuzukispider
02-06-2006, 12:38 PM
well, go to Autozone and read the spec yourself. I did, I bought it, I ran it. what more can I say? it's got the gpm and psi right in the range you need.

Dills29
02-08-2006, 08:27 AM
I used part number E 2000 from advance. It is frame mounted and a friend gave me the number. I was told it is for a 90 ish f-150. It works like a champ for my 16 valve.

zuknstien
02-08-2006, 08:35 AM
go to picknpull and get one off an 83 toyota celica its a E-something

jones
02-08-2006, 09:18 AM
Here's a pic of a Ford frame mounted pump.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/fawked/efi/fp.JPG

I've done a couple 22RE swaps on my buddy's trucks and they've used this pump. There has been multiple failures. Apparantly the pumps are not meant to prime themselves and they can burn out.

Now that's not a problem close to home, but when the pump goes when you're way the fawk out there you're hating it.

IMO, the best solution is to mount a pump in the tank. That's just what I've found to work best on both my suzuki with the 1.6 and my friends with the 22REs in their toyotas.:D

UZI 9mm
02-08-2006, 09:27 AM
Here's a pic of a Ford frame mounted pump.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/fawked/efi/fp.JPG

I've done a couple 22RE swaps on my buddy's trucks and they've used this pump. There has been multiple failures. Apparantly the pumps are not meant to prime themselves and they can burn out.




With the failed ones, were there any other similar factors involved? Were all the pumps placed maybe too far away from the tanks, or had they not been filled with gas before being hooked up?

If they're not meant to prime themselves, then what do they use day to day in original applications to keep from burning out:confused:

I would imagine after sitting in a junk yard for who knows how long, they might have a problem versus new ones?

I had always wanted to get one of those to keep with me as a spare in case of primary pump failure, way out in the boonies, but...

jones
02-08-2006, 10:06 AM
They may have been too far from the tank as they were in the engine compartment and the tank was in the back. There were two failures out of the three pumps we used, but both worked for more than a month with no problems before they went.

None were primed before use, but I don't know if that would show its effect one month later.

I've been told that these Ford trucks actually have two pumps. One in the tank and one on the frame rail. The frame mounted pump is designed as a helper I've been told. I've never cracked open one of the Ford tanks to confirm if there are in fact two pumps though. I assume that's why there's no day-to-day failures.

They would make a perfect spare pump. In fact, if you decide to run this pump I'd carry one that's exactly the same under the seat as a spare.:D

UZI 9mm
02-08-2006, 10:12 AM
They may have been too far from the tank as they were in the engine compartment and the tank was in the back. There were two failures out of the three pumps we used, but both worked for more than a month with no problems before they went.

None were primed before use, but I don't know if that would show its effect one month later.

I've been told that these Ford trucks actually have two pumps. One in the tank and one on the frame rail. The frame mounted pump is designed as a helper I've been told. I've never cracked open one of the Ford tanks to confirm if there are in fact two pumps though. I assume that's why there's no day-to-day failures.

They would make a perfect spare pump. In fact, if you decide to run this pump I'd carry one that's exactly the same under the seat as a spare.:D


Ah, awesome. If the ones that went tits up at least went for a month or two, then I would think they would be ok for emergency type field repairs.

Duh, :rasta: I had a Ranger a while back that had a pump in the tank and one on the frame rail. I forgot about the priming pump.

Thanks:D

redneckryder84
02-17-2006, 03:12 PM
hey im lookin for a conversion plate and the two bolt email me prices and how i get ahold of you to order them thanks

tinbeater
02-17-2006, 04:07 PM
hey im lookin for a conversion plate and the two bolt email me prices and how i get ahold of you to order them thanks
PM. GA Zuki. I bought one from him. Nice plate and fast shipping. I had to make my bolts. He didnt have any.

GA_ZUKI
02-17-2006, 06:28 PM
pm sent

my e-mail is down

i can only get e-mail i cant reply



also i dont get on the net much anymore ........ so e-mail is the best way to get me

epike7915
02-20-2006, 08:21 PM
Since you guys are on the fuel pump question, is the stock 1.3 FI pump in the tank good enough for a 16V?

Donald_R
02-20-2006, 09:11 PM
I have a 1.6 conversion adapter with special bolts, still unused and power coated gloss black, bought from Ga_zuki some time back. $40 plus postage. I accept PayPal.
Email me direct at drr63@hotmail if your interested. Don't leave me a message.

jones
02-21-2006, 08:51 AM
The 1.3 fuel injected fuel pump will work with a 16 valve.:D

epike7915
02-21-2006, 10:44 AM
Are there any "performance" or driveability drawbacks from using the factory 1.3 FI pump that is in the tank?

ZOOK94
02-21-2006, 10:46 AM
Are there any "performance" or driveability drawbacks from using the factory 1.3 FI pump that is in the tank?


haven't found one yet

ROSCO_P
02-21-2006, 02:20 PM
If you use the ford 150 pump off of the frame you have to get a inline pump to push the fuel to it. I use a inline click type fuel pump from napa. I have my high pressure pump mounted uder the hood on the right side and the low pressure pump mounted by the fuel filter in the rear. I have been running this setup for about 3yrs now and I had to replace the low pressure once and i think that is do the weather it is by the tires.