Hi Gang!

Some friends and I have put together a petition to ask Suzuki for a 4x4 vehicle that is more geared to our needs as "real" off-roaders.

Here is the petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/SuziTech/petition.html

If you want Suzuki to bring back a hard core off-road vehicle with solid axles front and rear and with really heavy duty sized equipment (relative to the size of the vehicle) then you _NEED_ to go sign this petition.

Even if you are not a fan of Suzukis, you NEED to sign this petition. If you want Ford or GM or any other manufacturer to bring back a real off-road vehicle then they have to perceive a market for it!

If Suzuki brings back a Samurai/Sierra style vehicle then maybe the other manufacturers will follow suit. Maybe DaimlerChrysler won't "ruin" the Wrangler with IFS as well. If not, then Suzuki has the market all to itself and can't help but have a successful model. Which means we off-roaders still win!

Please pass the word on to your friends and 'wheeling buddies. We need to get the signature count high in order to make Suzuki Corporate notice us. Also feel free to pass this email on to other mailing lists that I don't know about. We need to get the word out there.

Hopefully in two or three years we will be able to run down to our local Suzuki dealers and buy the truck we want instead of spending the entire winter building it!

Thanks all!

r@m
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http://suzitech.org/~chris

I dont think yall have a prair in hell of getting somehting tht badass out of suzuki. The only reason they are in the offroading scene AT ALL is cause people have a bunch of toyota stuff hangin around and get a CHEAP zuk to put it in. Plus they are small...

But, who knows, Jeep sure did seem to listen to us huh?

where is the petition to BAN all suzuki products from the trails? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by camo
where is the petition to BAN all suzuki products from the trails? :flipoff2:

What's wrong, tired of having elegance showing up your brute force?

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

:D

here's an idea!:flipoff2:

go buy some toyota stuff and put it under your suzicrapper!!!:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :D :smokin:

Originally posted by ross hildebrandt
here's an idea!:flipoff2:

go buy some toyota stuff and put it under your suzicrapper!!!:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :D :smokin:

What?! So I can sink to the bottom of every mud hole like a Toyota?! Don't think so, Tim!

:D :flipoff2:

...signed it, but why not just make a petition to Toyota to bring back the FJ40?

Originally posted by captain
...signed it, but why not just make a petition to Toyota to bring back the FJ40?

Sure, you could start your own petition. Feel free.

I think that some of the people that have posted here are kind of missing the point - all cheekiness put aside. On a certain level this petition does not really have a lot to do with whether it is a Suzuki, Toyota, Jeep whatever. You could take this petition and for the most part insert whatever brand you want in place of Suzuki.

We are losing all of our real 4x4 vehicles, much the same way we are losing places to wheel. If the manfacturers are not at least told what we want, then how will they know what to build?

The petition I wrote is Suzuki specific, that's the brand of vehicle I prefer. That being said, I love all 4x4 trucks, doesn't matter brand. Jeep, Toyota, GM, Ford, Lada, UAZ, Land Rover, whatever. I like them all. If someone posted a "bring back the FJ40" petition you could bet money that I'd rush over to sign it.

I dunno, maybe I'm just wired differently. I want to support all wheelers regardless of mickey mouse, trivial points like what they drive.

r@m

btt

In todays auto manufacturing environment you are never gonna get another Ford Bronco, a V8 CJ, FJ40, or even a Sammi.
Anything that is manufactured with lockers, flexy suspension, and high ground clearance, would be cricufied on 60 minutes, probably before its second year.
The Sammi was labeled as "tip over prone" in its original run. The insurance companies, and safety advocates would have a field day with any new version that resembled the old. Hell, no corporate executive is gonna risk running that guantlet even with 10,000 signatures.
You'll be better off in the long run, buying a chop saw, torch and grinder, and improving your welding skills. If your waiting for Detroit or japan to build you a rig, you better plan your future wheeling trips at the local mall.

Originally posted by H8monday
If your waiting for Detroit or japan to build you a rig, you better plan your future wheeling trips at the local mall.

Or figuring out how to import a rig from South America, SE Asia, or the Middle East.

H8Monday... I agree with ya, but I did sign the petition anyway.

Who knows though, Jeep did do a good thing with this new 'trail ready' jeep. I have to wonder if it had anything to do with petitions. I know I signed 2 myself before it came out. Not sure how long car manufacturers have soemthing like this in mind before they do it, but it wasnt but maybe a year after I signed first petition that they came out with as much as an offroader could hope for out of a manufacturer.

(Sad that my Tacoma will no longer be the Petersons 4x4 of the year:( )

Originally posted by Mo


Or figuring out how to import a rig from South America, SE Asia, or the Middle East.

You hit the nail on the head! Exactly the point here.
You can get a Sammi in almost any other country EXCEPT the US. We want something along the same lines to come back to us.If there has to be changes, let us SUGGEST a few of our own. You know that if Suzuki actually listened to us they would probably chop out alot of the goodies anyway, so why not make them aware of what we want.

(Sad that my Tacoma will no longer be the Petersons 4x4 of the year )



at least it won't be the :rainbow: ass cherokee.

TTT

btt

Originally posted by billjohn


You hit the nail on the head! Exactly the point here.
You can get a Sammi in almost any other country EXCEPT the US. We want something along the same lines to come back to us.If there has to be changes, let us SUGGEST a few of our own. You know that if Suzuki actually listened to us they would probably chop out alot of the goodies anyway, so why not make them aware of what we want.

It will never happen.

There would be non-trivial modifications that would be necessary before these vehicles could be imported and sold in this country. Thank our government for the bazillion safety regulations and tests that are needed here.

The expense to modify a few thousand vehicles makes this a cost prohibitive move, IMHO. Sure, they'd build some good will, but just because Suzuki imported some nice wheeling Sammys, would you go and buy a Vitara or three?

Originally posted by Mo


It will never happen.

There would be non-trivial modifications that would be necessary before these vehicles could be imported and sold in this country. Thank our government for the bazillion safety regulations and tests that are needed here.

The expense to modify a few thousand vehicles makes this a cost prohibitive move, IMHO. Sure, they'd build some good will, but just because Suzuki imported some nice wheeling Sammys, would you go and buy a Vitara or three?

Did you read the open letter?

We are not asking for a rehashed Samurai. The Samurai will never certify in the US. We know this.

We are asking for a new vehicle.

r@m

Originally posted by Root Moose


Did you read the open letter?

We are not asking for a rehashed Samurai. The Samurai will never certify in the US. We know this.

We are asking for a new vehicle.

r@m


I guess there is nothing wrong with blind optimism, (although a new off road Suzuki, would never make the top 100 on my wish list). But you guys are waisting your time trying to convince 21st century corporate decision makers, to be swayed by even a 100,000 signatures from the demographic bubbas that seriouse off roaders are commonly percieved as.
Good luck, but I think you'd have a better chance of being allowed to pilot the space shuttle, than to get them to tool up a factory for a new product line, so we can go swill beer in the back country. :smokin:

did yall forget why you build samis in the first place, PRICE. new ones would be expensive. who would want a 20000 $ sami. fawk that. i'll take the 500$ sami.

Originally posted by aaronlosey
did yall forget why you build samis in the first place, PRICE. new ones would be expensive. who would want a 20000 $ sami. fawk that. i'll take the 500$ sami.

Good for you - go for it!

r@m

Originally posted by Root Moose


We are asking for a new vehicle.

r@m

This new vehicle won't even begin to pay for the tooling needed to build it. You'd have better luck getting them to modify a their non-US models for import.

Hell, you could do it yourself. There is a checklist that imported vehicles must pass in order to be imported into the US. Get a copy of the list here (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/) and see what you'd need to do.

Then find someone in SA to ship a dozen of them to you, mod them as needed and sell them. See if it's worth the cost.

BTT

The problem is most 4wd vehicles, and vehicles in general are sold to a bunch of pussies...They wanna bitch and moan because a 3/4ton pickup rides rough, or that their BB V8 doesn't get the mileage their old 4cyl car used to...

America is getting too soft, and too spoiled...Everyone wants a big SUV or TRUCK look but don't want the ride, mileage, and handling of it, they want it to handle like a sports car, run on a cup of piss, and ride like an old 5500lb caddilac floating down the highway...

Too many posers!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Snake47720
The problem is most 4wd vehicles, and vehicles in general are sold to a bunch of pussies...They wanna bitch and moan because a 3/4ton pickup rides rough, or that their BB V8 doesn't get the mileage their old 4cyl car used to...

America is getting too soft, and too spoiled...Everyone wants a big SUV or TRUCK look but don't want the ride, mileage, and handling of it, they want it to handle like a sports car, run on a cup of piss, and ride like an old 5500lb caddilac floating down the highway...

Too many posers!:flipoff2:

Yep, can't agree more.

Go sign the petition if you haven't already; if Suzuki perceives a need they will fill it which in turn may make other manufacturers re-think their wimp out machines as well. Then we all win regardless of brand.

r@m