ok, everyone on here gots opinions some i just ignore, or flame <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> i have been thinkin bout coil overs....

so i got a rear link setup designed but was thinkin.... how would the longarm RE (radius) with heims work with coilover's... ok i might get some bind at full drop, but im really not lookin for more than what a re "kit" gets.... at one point i thought... just do the front re longarm style and do the rear the way i want it but, then it will definately be unbalanced with lots more travel in the rear.......i could limit that though.... what do ya think...?

Originally posted by badassjeepguy:
<STRONG>ok, everyone on here gots opinions some i just ignore, or flame <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> i have been thinkin bout coil overs....

so i got a rear link setup designed but was thinkin.... how would the longarm RE (radius) with heims work with coilover's... ok i might get some bind at full drop, but im really not lookin for more than what a re "kit" gets.... at one point i thought... just do the front re longarm style and do the rear the way i want it but, then it will definately be unbalanced with lots more travel in the rear.......i could limit that though.... what do ya think...?</STRONG>

I've got rear leafs on my TJ and have been considering the same thing for the front of it. Where would the bind come into play? I've been looking at a lot of different coilover set-ups and I really think the RE arm would be the best/easiest for what I want to do. I would still have to do some fabbing as the front of my frame has been stretched out 8".

Originally posted by badassjeepguy:
<STRONG>so i got a rear link setup designed but was thinkin.... how would the longarm RE (radius) with heims work with coilover's...?</STRONG>

Are you talking about front or rear on the radius? RE uses radius front and stock design (just longer) rear 5-link.

Originally posted by badassjeepguy:
<STRONG>at one point i thought... just do the front re longarm style and do the rear the way i want it but, then it will definately be unbalanced with lots more travel in the rear.......i could limit that though.... what do ya think...?</STRONG>

i think thats about where im at, but im not going coilover.

what do you want to do out back?

3 link is the way ive been planning.

Originally posted by JEEP_TJ_FREAK:
<STRONG>i think thats about where im at, but im not going coilover.

what do you want to do out back?

3 link is the way ive been planning.</STRONG>

triangulated 4 link long arm, loosing the trac bar.... but i will have way more flex from the rear than the front... im asuming


on a tru 3 link if the upper arm should break.... well not good...

4 link triangulated... on arm breaks might be able to limp out with one (upper) arm still holdin axle in place

Originally posted by TJoop:
<STRONG>Are you talking about front or rear on the radius? RE uses radius front and stock design (just longer) rear 5-link.</STRONG>

r u sure, thought both were? i know it still uses a trac bar, but thought the uppers tied into the lowers...???????

Why would you want to go coilover? I'm assuming you have a TJ and coil springs already. As far as I can see, the only reason to go coilover is to look cool. Why not just do the RE kit and add some high quality shocks?

Originally posted by JoeH:
<STRONG>Why would you want to go coilover? I'm assuming you have a TJ and coil springs already. As far as I can see, the only reason to go coilover is to look cool. Why not just do the RE kit and add some high quality shocks?</STRONG>

well there are many reasons.... ill name a few, spring doesnt fall out. shock travel, shock location, more control, infinately adjustable, tall regular coils bow and get distorted after much use,
shock and coil mount on top of axle, shock and spring matched, more control on go fast stuff, i can choose the spring rate i want instead of all the (too soft ones) ahhh hell i could go on and on.....

in the rear now, coil pads, coils, shock mounts shocks, trac bar, and control arms...


after upper and lower arms/ coilovers.... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by JoeH:
<STRONG>Why would you want to go coilover? I'm assuming you have a TJ and coil springs already. As far as I can see, the only reason to go coilover is to look cool. Why not just do the RE kit and add some high quality shocks?</STRONG>

btw newbie <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> i really could care less bout the look cool.......there are other boards for that <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

BAJG- those are good reasons. The only thing I don't like about coilovers in the rear of a jeep is that to get enough wheel travel, they must be angled inward (i.e. warn xcl) and you loose a lot of roll control with that setup. I have seen a lot of rigs with the warn kit and they can do some strange things on steep off-camber climbs.

Also, it seems like for the price of the coilovers you could have some custom coils made (heavier), build some spring retainers, get some good shocks and build some custom shock mounts.

But hey what do I know I'm just a newbie

Originally posted by JoeH:
<STRONG>BAJG- those are good reasons. The only thing I don't like about coilovers in the rear of a jeep is that to get enough wheel travel, they must be angled inward (i.e. warn xcl) and you loose a lot of roll control with that setup. I have seen a lot of rigs with the warn kit and they can do some strange things on steep off-camber climbs.

Also, it seems like for the price of the coilovers you could have some custom coils made (heavier), build some spring retainers, get some good shocks and build some custom shock mounts.

But hey what do I know I'm just a newbie</STRONG>


exactly... ill deal with the roll control another way... <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> but think what you just said coilovers dont get the travel unless tilted in up top.... hmmm so if the coils (standard) are mounted straight up, why do the get more travel.... cause the bow and distort... there is no support for them, they do some stange things under compression.... and i have body roll right now too....

BAJG, I totally dig your idea, but I also think you should think about this a little. I mean sell your Jeep and start from scratch. you got the bender, so bend up sometihng new. If you like the TJ that much, I say scratch the RE kit and build your own. Get the rear diff at the back of the jeep, so that you have a negative departure angle. Get me a wheelbase, and I can see if the length of my linsk will work. I get about 6 feet in the rear with NO bind at all. It is controlled and no wrap. Let me know

Dimitri

Originally posted by badassjeepguy:
<STRONG>r u sure, thought both were? i know it still uses a trac bar, but thought the uppers tied into the lowers...???????</STRONG>

Yes I am sure.

Originally posted by TJoop:
<STRONG>Yes I am sure.</STRONG>

I thought about using the front RE longarms (or similar) because there would only be one pivot point at the frame for the arms - well, two.... one on each side of the Jeep. The upper arm does tie into the lower one about half-way up the arm. Other than that, you'd just need the trackbar.

Originally posted by Outlaw99TJ:
<STRONG>I thought about using the front RE longarms (or similar) because there would only be one pivot point at the frame for the arms - well, two.... one on each side of the Jeep. The upper arm does tie into the lower one about half-way up the arm. Other than that, you'd just need the trackbar.</STRONG>

Question was whether or not RE used radius arms on the rear with their long arm kit. They don't.

Originally posted by Flatty:
<STRONG>BAJG, I totally dig your idea, but I also think you should think about this a little. I mean sell your Jeep and start from scratch. you got the bender, so bend up sometihng new. If you like the TJ that much, I say scratch the RE kit and build your own. Get the rear diff at the back of the jeep, so that you have a negative departure angle. Get me a wheelbase, and I can see if the length of my linsk will work. I get about 6 feet in the rear with NO bind at all. It is controlled and no wrap. Let me know

Dimitri</STRONG>i have thought bout sellin, but im too far in, and i do like it.... i wouldnt buy the re kit, i was just thinkin those radius arms for the front would work good, so id make my own... as for the rear right past the original coil mounts i was thinkin bout cuttin the frame and adding a straight piece in there... that would allow me to push my coil (overs) back enough to get the neg departure, and just make the arms longer... mounting somewhere just before the t case... i wasnt plannin on using re's ever... dont like how they are mouted to the cross/skid plate... and i allready have my frame mounts drawn up.... they will never pull off the frame or tear again.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">


but ist things first............ rr60 front! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Flatty:
<STRONG>BAJG, I totally dig your idea, but I also think you should think about this a little. I mean sell your Jeep and start from scratch. you got the bender, so bend up sometihng new. If you like the TJ that much, I say scratch the RE kit and build your own. Get the rear diff at the back of the jeep, so that you have a negative departure angle. Get me a wheelbase, and I can see if the length of my linsk will work. I get about 6 feet in the rear with NO bind at all. It is controlled and no wrap. Let me know

Dimitri</STRONG>he if you cant or dont wanna do it here, email me the geometry and lengths of your rear links... ie upper angles and lower angles.... then i can see what id have to do to get them to work, or it will help me in fabbin my own... thanks bro.