Dave Paglianite of Avoca PA [Archive] - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

Leafsprung

02-22-2006, 10:41 AM

Made a gentleman's agreement with someone who is apparently not a gentleman on the following:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423100

Part of the agreement was that he would return the seats and the bumper in exchange for a reduction in price on the car. (about 500-600 worth of stuff). He is not responding to repeated emails/calls to his cell. Home phone is unlisted. If you know where I can reach Dave Paglianite of the Avoca/Scranton PA area aka: bmgdave308@msn.com please drop me a PM or post it here.
-Thanks
-Ike

ih4x4

02-22-2006, 07:37 PM

from www.zabbasearch.com

found this while searching for his email address http://www.1919a4.com/cgi-bin/ubbmisc.pl?action=getbio&UserName=BMGDAVE

this could be him or his parents or ???
both these people have a avoca and scranton address

GERALD PAGLIANITE More Information
25 SAINT MARYS ST Recorded: 11/28/2003
AVOCA, PA 18641 (570) 457-0708

GERALD A PAGLIANITE More Information
901 WOODLAWN ST Recorded: Unknown
SCRANTON, PA 18509 (570) 346-1715
www.ZabaSearch.com/ZabaWeb

MARITA PAGLIANITE More Information
901 WOODLAWN ST Recorded: 07/11/2001
SCRANTON, PA 18509 (570) 346-1715

Made a gentleman's agreement with someone who is apparently not a gentleman on the following:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423100

Part of the agreement was that he would return the seats and the bumper in exchange for a reduction in price on the car. (about 500-600 worth of stuff). He is not responding to repeated emails/calls to his cell. Home phone is unlisted. If you know where I can reach Dave Paglianite of the Avoca/Scranton PA area aka: bmgdave308@msn.com please drop me a PM or post it here.
-Thanks
-Ike

Leafsprung

02-24-2006, 10:08 AM

Still no dice. Ive called every Paglianite in Scranton with no luck. Anyone else have any suggestions? Apprieciate the help.
-Regards
-Ike

ih4x4

02-24-2006, 06:01 PM

whats his user name on the board, did you contact a mod to see if they could get ahold of him,

Still no dice. Ive called every Paglianite in Scranton with no luck. Anyone else have any suggestions? Apprieciate the help.
-Regards
-Ike

padesertboy

02-24-2006, 08:15 PM

damn, I wish I could help. I have buddy`s in
a large area of Pa...
lol

rusty davis

02-24-2006, 08:37 PM

whats his user name on the board, did you contact a mod to see if they could get ahold of him,

X2 Was this transaction made with a board member or not?

Leafsprung

02-24-2006, 08:53 PM

I donno if hes a member or not. Posted it up here, he called an mentioned the ad. Trusted him to return the seats and bumper as per our agreement and havent heard from him. Cant find any concrete contact info for him either. Seems pretty shady. Hopefully someone can help me find him.
-Ike

Leafsprung

03-14-2006, 11:10 PM

Still no luck reaching this guy. Anyone point me towards any resources that might be helpful?
-Thanks
-Ike

mdill

03-15-2006, 08:05 PM

So why exactly did you ship the truck with stuff that was not part of the deal ?

Am I missing something ?

Mike D.

Scraps

03-15-2006, 08:43 PM

That sucks man. Sorry.
Might want to post this on www.roversclub.org
They are somewhat local to your man and may have seen your old rig. They just had a big ralley over the weekend and maybe someone can help. Also LRM was there so keep an eye out in the mag.

Leafsprung

03-16-2006, 04:54 PM

So why exactly did you ship the truck with stuff that was not part of the deal ?

I wasnt there when he picked it up (a friend handled that) Made the deal by phone. Certainly should not have taken him at his word, but hindsight is 20/20.

Thanks Scraps, I will post up over on ROVERS

chuckmac

03-16-2006, 07:04 PM

I just got transferred to a store in Scranton. I will ask the locals that work for me if they know or have heard of this guy. Also, I will keep an eye out for the truck.

Hope this works out for you

Leafsprung

03-16-2006, 09:05 PM

Very Much apprieciated. Its a hard rig to miss, hopefully he will turn up.
-Thanks
-Ike

Leafsprung

03-23-2006, 09:37 AM

I got an address for this guy. Who can go leave a note on his door for me? Happy to compensate you for your time.

-Thanks
-Ike

steved

03-23-2006, 10:06 AM

Mention this at ParagonAP.com, BMJA.org, and MarylandCreepers.com...they are all from "that" area. Someone should be able to help...

steved

DTroy

11-06-2006, 12:16 PM

I found this:

David J Paglianite
102 Glendale
Avoca, PA 18641-9534
Phone: (570) 457-3629

Hopefully that's the guy and you can get this resolved. Keep us updated.

norville

11-06-2006, 12:34 PM

Not to difficult to miss that rig in any color. I will also keep an eye out. I did'nt realize all the locals on this board.

bob

DTroy

11-08-2006, 10:39 PM

Leafsprung,

The info I found checks out. I did some recon today. I took the address and found driving directions on Yahoo.
I found the guy's house. It's a yellow double. He and his mother live in the house. Apartment numbers 3 and 4.
I saw the Landrover parked behind the house. His mother was outside with the dog. I asked her if I could take some pics. She said that her son takes the truck to car shows. And that he drives a dark Dodge Dually.

The Moosic Police Department might have jurisdiction there. The non-emergency number is: 570-457-7269
It's not a big city so they will probably be much friendlier to you. It would be great if they stopped by and talked to this guy's mother. She would probably keep him in line.

The house is located on Springbrook Road (Rt.502)

The PA license plate on the vehicle reads: GHK-0773

DTroy

11-08-2006, 10:41 PM

http://s07.picshome.com/dbf/landrover.jpg (http://www.picshome.com/)

http://s07.picshome.com/dbf/landrover_plate.jpg (http://www.picshome.com/)

Slapahoe

11-09-2006, 12:01 AM

Now thats some recon. Reminds me when that guy took pictures of Charlie Wenzels house at night and shit through his window.

krb

11-13-2006, 07:53 AM

Made a gentleman's agreement with someone who is apparently not a gentleman on the following:
Part of the agreement was that he would return the seats and the bumper in exchange for a reduction in price on the car. (about 500-600 worth of stuff).
-Ike

Was this agreement made prior to the sale?If so why didnt you remove the items?If not I would have asked for full price then return the money to Dave when he shipped the parts back.
Doesnt make sense that he(Dave) would want to pay for shipping that stuff back,I dont think it would be cheap.
Why would someone want to buy a nice looking 4x4 like that and not want the seats or bumper?Why not just offer less money?Why would you want the seats and bumper back?I guess it was a way to con you.
P.S.I'm NOT trying to defend "Dave".
Good luck.

Leafsprung

11-16-2006, 12:45 PM

WOW, THANKS TO DTROY!! Thats some serious help!! Ive been calling/emailing the guy weekly for going on a year now and I have had NO response whatsoever. Hell I called every Paglianite in the Scranton/Avoca Area.

KRB,
The whole story which, due to its complexity I had avoided typing out, is this:
I had moved west to Oregon and brought three of my rovers with me. This one, which I had decided to sell, was parked at my moms place in Indianapolis. Not wanting to transport it and then turn around and sell it, I listed it for sale and took phone calls and supplied pictures to interested parties, with the understanding the car was available for pickup in Indianapolis. Dave calls and is super interested, says hes ready to buy but his budget is 12K. I say, "fine, tell you what, I have another rover project that could use the seats (defender seats) and the bumper (a rare dealer option Mayflower Autmotive parts winch bumper) I will take 12K if you will send me back the seats and the bumper." He agreed. He said he would come pick it up in a weeks time. I called my mom (in her 60s) told her that Dave would be coming to pick up the rig in a week and I Fed Exed her the title and keys. She was nice enough to agree to meet him and take the payment and hand over the keys/title and she reminded him that he needed to send back the seats and bumper since she could not remove them there (and I would not expect her to). He explicitly agreed and told her it was no problem, he then loaded up the truck and I havent heard from him since. Had I been able to be there, I would have removed them before he took the car. I trusted him to follow through, and he has failed to do that, despite repeated calls and reminders, nor has he even once bothered to return my extremely numerous calls. Im even more irked by the fact he flat out lied to a little old lady who was nice enough to meet him with the keys and paperwork. Anyway, thats the long version. Im not pulling any punches, I just want whats mine.

Again, thanks for all the help DTroy, Ive been trying to reach this guy for a LONG time. Im NOT about to let it drop. Your help is VERY apprieciated and I would be more than happy to compensate you for your time/trouble. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you.

-Thanks
-Ike

Leafsprung

11-16-2006, 12:59 PM

Ok,
Called and carefully explained he situation to the Moosic Police. They were less than helpful. They claimed that: that is not their jurisdiction, it was a matter for the civil magistrate (which they would not provide me with contact information), and without anything in writing I was screwed anyway. I called the Avoca Police and they wouldnt answer their phones.

I called the number that Dtroy listed and got no answer or voice mail. I called the cell number I have for him and left a message (as I have every week). Im addressing another (the 5th) letter to that address as we speak.

-Ike

DTroy

11-17-2006, 10:46 AM

Leafsprung, I'm glad I could help in some way. As far as compensation goes, I say pay it forward. :)

Some numbers I found: Avoca Borough Mayor 570-457-4947
Avoca Police Non-Emergency 570-457-4011

They phone listing shows that the Mayor and his secretary have the same phone line, so she'll probably answer. She can tell you what Magistrate they fall under (I think Avoca is too small to have their own).

And as far as having it in writing goes, I think a verbal complaint is sufficient enough to file a complaint with the Magistrate. The Magistrate's office will tell you exactly what's up.

Hopefully legal action will work for you.

Leafsprung

11-17-2006, 02:14 PM

Id love to find out where he works. I'm sure a couple calls to his boss would not go unnoticed. Another Pirate member has been leaving notes on this guys truck (Many thanks) Hopefully he will decide that its not worth being harassed for the rest of his life :flipoff2: Thanks again to everyone. Let me know if any compensation is in order for your assistance.
-Regards
-Ike

krb

11-18-2006, 08:04 AM

Leafsprung,thanks for giving the details,the story is clear now.
Hope you bust this fuctard!

aaron t

11-18-2006, 04:39 PM

holy crap ike! glad i didn't try and pull a fast one on you with that sI stuff:flipoff2:

you are one persistent dude......bravo this guy sounds like a douche....prolly will be a life long battle, but keep it up.

for all of the times the rest of us have been screwed by trash like this.

Slapahoe

11-18-2006, 07:32 PM

Keep us updated man.

Edit: I bring teh suck.

Leafsprung

11-18-2006, 09:03 PM

I'll be calling those #'s on monday Dtroy, thanks again. He's obviously one lonely dude, most of the sites online showing him as registered are personals ads. Date.com and . . . .freakhole.com. Maybe emailing him as a 12 year old goth chick would get a reply. :rolleyes:

DTroy

11-29-2006, 06:52 PM

Leafsprung, I scored another bonus !

Check this out:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=89497165&MyToken=96995512-08ab-4991-a673-18ea78ba693d

krb

11-30-2006, 06:00 AM

Ridr

12-03-2006, 09:51 AM

Leafsprung, I scored another bonus !

Check this out:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=89497165&MyToken=96995512-08ab-4991-a673-18ea78ba693d
DTroy , you have found a treaure there. there has to be a way of making this guys life hell now :D
I may have to sign up so I can be his "friend " :cool2:

fuck it , I'm signing up so I can post to his site , send pm's ,private messages .....

Ridr

12-03-2006, 10:32 AM

damn ....that was fun writing to him and felt good at the same time. I did keep it civil though, would like to see him make things right.

DTroy

12-03-2006, 11:06 AM

Ridr, I see that some of his MySpace friends are Landrover owner's as well. And that some of them go to the car shows with him.

If they found out how he's screwing the previous owner over, maybe they would help to convince him to do the right thing.
Maybe you can send them a message or two ....

Ridr

12-03-2006, 02:47 PM

Done :D :D :D

except one of the clubs came back invalid ,turned out it was Leafsrung :)

DTroy

12-03-2006, 03:27 PM

Nice work. :)

Leafsprung

12-04-2006, 12:48 PM

Signed up for a myspace account and sent him some email. Heres my profile:

Headline: "I want my Seats and Bumper"
Interests: Recovering my Property
Music: Im sorry for you my Friend - Hank Williams Sr
Movies: Repo Man
TV: Dont Watch TV
Books: Bocaccios Decameron

Sent him this note:

Hey man,
Good to see on my space. Im always looking for new friends. Hey, I called several dozen times. I guess your phone is not working. I tried emailing you a few hundred times but you must be having computer problems. I also sent some letters too but I guess they got lost in the mail. I even left some notes on your truck, but I guess you arent driving it. I WILL keep trying until I hear from you. Hope you are enjoying the rover.
-Ike
317-289-3000

Im still at it, I will post up with updates as they happen.
Again, many thanks for all the help and pestering from fellow Pirates. IT IS VERY APPRIECIATED and if you ever need anything you know who to call.

-Regards
-Ike

Leafsprung

12-04-2006, 09:20 PM

Dave was kind enough to post a picture on myspace . . .you know . . .for the ladyz :laughing:

http://myspace-426.vo.llnwd.net/00885/62/43/885463426_l.jpg

SeaBass44

12-04-2006, 10:06 PM

Dave was kind enough to post a picture on myspace . . .you know . . .for the ladyz :laughing:

http://myspace-426.vo.llnwd.net/00885/62/43/885463426_l.jpg

must have got caught stealing before, look at that left hand/claw:evil:

Will24

12-05-2006, 06:17 PM

yeah, that's freaky lookin...

actionpaintball

12-06-2006, 07:30 AM

Can't ....stop ....looking ....at....THE HAND

61scout80

12-06-2006, 08:11 PM

must have got caught stealing before, look at that left hand/claw:evil:

no thats just from the tap water in the wilkes-barre/scranton area.

good detective work guys, i'll see if i can help. i used to live in wilkes-barre, i put on a car show fro a few years and i have contacts with some rowdy car clubs that would love to make his life absolutly miserable. :mad2:

edit: added to friends on myspace, i'll be sure to leave some desriptive messages if he approves me.

pendy

12-07-2006, 11:40 PM

norville

12-08-2006, 03:29 AM

nice..... box- o -wine.

bob

Leafsprung

12-08-2006, 05:41 AM

Actually I think that is a picture of Leafsprung. He lost those digits looking for 5th gear.This post reminds me of the kid from Winfield or wherever that bought a truck from you Ike. Didn't he stalk you for the vehicle title for a while?

Isn't there a broken down Saab somewhere you should be wrenching on? I felt inspired by your exploits and actually bought a coilsprung rig . . .first time Ive ever been stranded in a rover :flipoff2: Yup, Larry the archeologist called me, I shit you not, 7 times one day, I guess you told him I work nights down at the DMV??? He did email me a few months ago to thank me profusely for selling him such a great truck. It touched me in a very special place . . . Hope you are doing well, call me and let me know how the drive in is coming along.

Slapahoe

12-09-2006, 11:01 AM

just sent my myspace message to him...

Dear Dave,

Your scam has made it to the PBB and people are angry.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6215421#post6215421

Make it right....

Slapahoe.

Slapahoe

12-09-2006, 11:06 AM

I sent his friends a message too...

Subject: Your Friend Dave Paglianite

Hello,

Your friend Dave is part of a scam online which has made quite a few people displeased and angry.

I would suggest you send Dave our concerns.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6220539#post6220539

Slapahoe...

Slapahoe

12-11-2006, 01:06 AM

Well I got a little reply back from him. He's quite the sweet heart.

IF PEOPLE ARE ANGRY, TELL THEM TO STOP BY AND SEE ME. WHAT THE HELL IS THE "PBB"?...PEANUT BUTTER AND BACON?...PINK BASEBALL BATS?...PRETTY BIG BALLS?
THE SCAM YOU MENTION IMPLIES THAT A PURCHASE WAS MADE WITH THE INTENTION TO DEFRUAD AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE; FROM WHERE I SIT AND BASED ON THE MONEY I HAD TO SPEND THE FINGER IS POINTING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
ANYWAY, THIS IS NOT YOUR CONCERN; SO PLEASE AND WITH RESPECT, STAY THE FUCK OUT OF IT.

I guess all the attempts you made to contact him have gone unnoticed! He sounds and acts like every other scammer on any board. Hang this guy out to dry.:evil:

61scout80

12-11-2006, 09:29 AM

check his myspace. nothing to creative, just a few points.

Leafsprung

12-11-2006, 11:40 AM

Wow, Ive been waiting for a response for a long time. He is obviously getting the message loud and clear. Unfortunately refuses to respond to me personally. Thank you for taking the time to do that.

61scout - Did you leave a message for him on myspace? I didnt see it.

I sent him the following by phone, email, myspace:
I guess I dont quite understand why you dont want to resolve this amicably. Instead of owning up to a comitment youve made, you ignore it hoping it will go away. It wont go away. Save us both a lot of headaches and follow through on your agreement. Surely your integrity is worth more than some used land rover parts.
-Regards
-Ike Goss
317-289-3000

Ive got some other folks on the board who are helping me explore other ways to put some pressure on him. Thanks again to everyone for their continued help.

-Regards
-Ike

61scout80

12-11-2006, 05:21 PM

61scout - Did you leave a message for him on myspace? I didnt see it.

ya, just a general comment that said to contact you. and a comment on the pic of the rover that said "i hope you think of the people you ripped off to get this every time you drive it" and one his pic that said "the face of a scam artist"

they must have gotten deleted rather swiftly, you only posted 2 hours after i listed them.

no one in my dads car club has seen him, and the north east pa shows are slow in the winter, but if i get anything i'll let you know.

little_red_yj

12-21-2006, 01:04 AM

Any news on this horse cawk sucker?

Stonecoast

12-22-2006, 07:03 PM

Just posted this on DAve's Myspace. Any other ways we can lean on him for you, Leafsprung?

Did you get things straightened out with the guy you bought the Rover from? He ought to get his seats and bumper back since that was the deal you agreed to. Are you getting much flack from the Pirate 4x4 post he did for you? Because it sounds like alot of those guys have no intention of quiting and are aiming to inform everyone on your friends list to the situation. I'm book marking you to see what happens. Good luck buddy!

barker

Leafsprung

12-25-2006, 10:42 AM

I took the time to remember Dave this holiday season. I called and left messages with his family and friends this Christmas morning. I also emailed and sent him a MySpace greeting. Much apprieciation to those who have helped with this.

So Far: Hes made his myspace profile private, hes had his phone unlisted, hes changed his email, and moved his rover somewhere else. His familiy and friends are reminding him regularly. He's obviously going to great lengths to be a grinch.

-Thanks again and happy holidays
-Ike

msmoke

12-25-2006, 05:35 PM

Just noticed this.

What a douche bag. Im about 3 hours away from him but if i ever see this three fingered freak at any car shows i will be sure to get myself escourted out by the police.

Keep us updated because if i ever make my way up there, i will be certian to stop by his place and try to find him.

tacoma73

01-01-2007, 02:14 PM

I'm taking his info down. I get out there 2x a year, next time is in April. I'll be sure to look him up.

doug_1994

01-15-2007, 12:51 AM

Just noticed this.

Yeah, same here. I'm over near Pittsburgh. I'll definalty remember that claw or the Rover for that matter. What a douche. Doug

Slapahoe

01-19-2007, 03:18 PM

Updates?

I sent the pole chomper another message. No response this time though.

roversclub.org

03-03-2007, 08:40 AM

Greetings,
I was e-mailed regarding this gentleman. I can assure you that he is not a member of our club, even though he signed up his location on a frapper map last year as such. http://www.frappr.com/?a=myfrappr&id=824529 If he was a member, I would know as I personally handle all membership requests. I wish I could help out more. This is a serious infraction in my opinion due to the fact that most classic and vintage Land Rover owners must rely on a network of people on message boards and e-Bay to find our parts and tech info. Serious enough that I would sign up on your message board for one post. If one scammer gets over it affects everyone. I certainly hope your situation gets resolved, and if I can assist in any way, please let me know.
Jason
www.roversclub.org

ChiefSlapaHo

03-03-2007, 08:06 PM

cphatmike101

03-04-2007, 12:47 AM

I SENT ALL OF HIS MADE UP FRIENDS THAT ARE ON HIS MY SPACE A MESSAGE. WITH A LINK TO THIS PAGE. SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT KIND OF ASS HE IS.
IT LOOKS LIKE HIS FRIENDS LIST IS GOING TO BE SMALLER. :flipoff2:

I THINK WE NEED TO ATACK ALL OF HIS FRIENDS AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING. LIKE DOG THE BOUNTHY HUNTER SAYS "IF WE GET LOUD ON HIS TURF HIS OWN PEPOLE WILL TURN ON HIM AND HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO SHOW HIM SELF" WELL MAYBE HE DID'NT SAY THAT. BUT HE DOES DO THINGS LIKE THAT ON HIS SHOW. :confused:

My1stNiceJeep

03-04-2007, 05:57 AM

I saw him driving it two weeks ago in Wilkes Barre Pa.I would have taken a picture but he was going the opposite way.

cphatmike101

03-04-2007, 11:51 AM

one of the guys on his friends list left this message on my My Space.
thats one less freind he has.

From: for sale...

http://www.myspace.com/105974752

Date: Mar 4, 2007 10:38 AM Flag as Spam or Report Abuse [ ? ]
Subject: RE: dave
Body: hey mike,
i just checked out that link.
i dont know a dave, or anything about the seat deal in that link. if hes in my friend list its cuz i friend up anyone with a rover or interest in the rover myspace.
if hes an asshole let me know and i'll delete him.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: mike
Date: 03 Mar 2007, 23:25

this has somthing to do with your boy dave
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=446899