Now that i have my transportation issues worked out, its time to start building.

Here's my dilema...what do I use as my foundation to start with. Here's what I have to work with.

http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL164/1025364/1933359/93493299.jpg
73 Scout II: 345, no tranny or tcase, FF Dana 60 rear 63" wms/wms, SII d44 front. Body is in ok shape, but does have some cancer.

http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL164/1025364/1933359/103853473.jpg
77 SSII: 345, 727, d20, roll cage, 2.5" lift SUA, SII d44 front and rear. It is an original SSII, body look's great from 20feet away, but it is far from perfect. Front floors are diamond plate, rear corners are dented. Rockers have some cancer, needs new inserts. It is restorable, but for show quality it would be easier to start with a new tub.

unknown year Scout 800 w/v8. All unknown. someone has offered to possibly trade my 73 SII for a Scout 800 which he says would be a good candidate for a wheeler/rock crawler. I have not seen it in person, but it is from a reputible person in the IH world who I have had many dealings with in the past.

I also have in my pile of junk: FF 14b rear 73"wms/wms, full width chevy d44 front w/flat tops and 8 lug outers. Bonz high steer arms, extra inner c's of chevy axle, extra set of flat tops, many extra 727's and a couple of dana 20's, and a SII fram which has been sand blasted/powder coated. Plus many other misc parts collected over the years.

My original plan was to build the 73 with either the full width d44/14b combo or use the SII d44 with the 8 lug outers and the ffd60 rear, SOA with 2.5" lift, RS, 36-37" tires, high steer, 727 with low gearset and d20 with teralow set. I would have to sell the SSII to fund that project. I am still leaning toward this route.

I could also use the parts from the 73 to build up the SS and sell the extra parts I dont need to help fund the project, or I could sell the SS, and trade the 73 for the 800 and build that up.

I have never owned or driven in an 800/80 but have always liked the looks of them and reading through the various builds on this site and others makes me want to build one as well.

So I am on the fence as to which direction to go. I love the looks of the SSII, but do I really want to beat it up. I really like the soft top too, but there are times when I wish i had the hard top(like when it rains). I really like the looks of the 800/80's but i have no real experience with them other than reading build-ups such as Snoopy's, binderbounds, this old scout (mtroy) ans others. Once I have made up my mind, I'll have to stick with it becasue I dont want to get halfway through and be dissapointed I didnt go the other route.

Anyways, help me decide. What would you do? I'm looking to pro's and con's of either of the choices, what have you done....likes/dislikes...if you could do it all over etc....:confused:

give me the ss2, ehen built what you have left:grinpimp:

Just finish rusty, and I'll give you both scouts in trade...Deal?:cool2:

Damn.... I could use that 73" 14bolt housing you have. I have a 67" that I'd trade ya, but since on the other side of the world.....

Anyway... the SSII looks to be very nice!!! Remember that whatever you build, you're gonna want to wheel it. When ya wheel 'em you usually end up thrashing them.... it's just the way it is. I'd build the not so nice white one up with the forethought that it's gonna get thrashed.

Build the 73 white one.

You already have a nice SSII...No need to fuck that one up. The white rig is beckoning for the doors and top to go to the landfill...

Agreed, build the white one. No one wants to see a original SS2 geet hammered. Scout II's are easier and cheaper to build than 800's. I completely agree though 800's are cool.

If you want to go more "custom" and have a more unique rig then do the 800. I have an 80 now...I used to hate the lines of the 80/800 and adored the looks of the Scout II body...especially bobbed.

NOOOWWW though that I own an 80...well a whole new fascination for me. I love how utilitarian the cab is in the 80/800 as well.

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage007s.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage002s.jpg

You are already ahead of the game since it is a V8 model Scout.

EDIT:::::

Not sure who this guy is...saw this a couple of months ago...but does it really get much sexxiaaarrrrr than fucking this shot right here...

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/cj2.jpg

EDIT:::::

Not sure who this guy is...saw this a couple of months ago...but does it really get much sexxiaaarrrrr than fucking this shot right here...

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/cj2.jpg

Thats Mike Ismail, who is the person I would get the 800 from. That is a nice trail scout!

Here is his SII and the 800 in the background.
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL164/1025364/1933359/23073669.jpg

Yeah, Mike is a Ham... If youa re getting the 800 from Mike then it is going to be a damn good jump off point. Just remember, everthing on a 800 build will be custom. There is no such thing as bolt on with them.

Edit: Harvester... Your ride is pimp.

Yeah, Mike is a Ham... If youa re getting the 800 from Mike then it is going to be a damn good jump off point. Just remember, everthing on a 800 build will be custom. There is no such thing as bolt on with them.

Edit: Harvester... Your ride is pimp.

Thanks man...

I just slapped a little paint on it...:laughing: I don't care what anyone says...I say "real rigs are bought..." at least that is what I did. I did change up some stuff and more will come when it stops raining.

Ohhhh and if you are who I tink' you are...

...who's the ham?

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/cj1.jpg

Yeah, Mike is a Ham... If youa re getting the 800 from Mike then it is going to be a damn good jump off point. Just remember, everthing on a 800 build will be custom. There is no such thing as bolt on with them.

Edit: Harvester... Your ride is pimp.

Thanks man...

I just slapped a little paint on it...:laughing: I don't care what anyone says...I say "real rigs are bought..." at least that is what I did. I did change up some stuff and more will come when it stops raining.

Ohhhh and if you are who I tink' you are...

...who's the ham?

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/cj1.jpg

Sorry different Chad but know all the same people. He is the SoCal version I am the NorCal one. I was partners with Jeff at IH Only North for years. Used to go down and race with Mike and all of those guys.

...who's the ham?

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I believe that "ham" would be Chris Johnson owner of Rock-Tech in La Habra so cal. He has done some of the drivetrain swap work on my scout, great work btw.
His rig is awsome too...392, 37MTRs...:smokin: :smokin:

Build the 73 white one.

You already have a nice SSII...No need to fuck that one up. The white rig is beckoning for the doors and top to go to the landfill...

I agree build the white one, my "landfill" could use them doors and top:D They both look nice.

As others have alluded to, you'd be ahead of the game to build the '73. More "bolt on parts" (like PS, PB ect), plus you already have the rear D60 in a good width and with 8-lug outers the front will match great (as you already know).

However, they are harder to build (you have to addapt more parts) but 80/800's definatly have thier own cool. They are a little cramped though, bit have good lines and a size for wheeling. Heck, the D60 and D44 would fit well in there.


So in short, the SII would be a faster project, but the 800 would be cool, just allot more work.

Sell the SSII as its worth much more than the others, and would generate nice seed money allot easier than any of the others.

80/800's are where its at!they are simpler,smaller,easier to fab on and draw a lot more attention that a II.

Get used to the 'nice bronco' comments.

Sounds like you have most of the parts to do the '73. I'd skimp a little on some of the "nice-to-haves" and keep the nice SSII as a driver. Leave the TeraLow for later, for instance.

My wife likes her 800, but what a pain.. you pretty much have to gut it and replace everything but the frame and the tub with SII hardware... so why not start with a SII? :D

Start with the not-so-nice 73 and you won't feel guilty for butchering a decent Scout. Look at Binder's buggy.. at one point that was a nice Aristocrat. :P Or the Hooper Scout... :shaking:

Mine, OTOH, was "rough" when I got it.. and the racer had already been rolled before I got it. Perfect candidates. :D

Or the Hooper Scout... :shaking:


He doesn't even wheel anymore...:rolleyes:

:D

Build the 73....and if you do, I'll buy the rectangular chrome beauty rings in the grill. I need a set for my good scout. And I can even tell you how to remove them with out breaking them. I learned from my mistake!:D

Thanks for all the input guys! It looks like i'll just build the 73 SII. I went to Mike's place to look what he had as far as 80/800's go, and he had a few candidates, but just the amount of work involved to make them a capable wheeler is beyond what i want to undergo right now. Who knows what the future will bring though.

Sounds like you have most of the parts to do the '73. I'd skimp a little on some of the "nice-to-haves" and keep the nice SSII as a driver. Leave the TeraLow for later, for instance.

I'd love to keep the ssii as a driver, who knows...maybe I will. But if I sell, I'd be able to get alot more done quicker. I will be selling a bunch of my extra parts so we'll see what I can get and go from there. I am trying to get a job with PG&E here in Bakersfield and if I do, i'll almost double my income and I shouldn't have to sell the ssii.

My first step is to buy a decent welder. I am halfway through a welding class at the local junior college, and I am feeling alot more confident in my welding abilities. I'll be getting a millermatic 175 or a millermatic 210 really havnt decided yet. But in the meantiime, I am going to start stripping down the 73 to get it ready for some surgury.

Build the 73....and if you do, I'll buy the rectangular chrome beauty rings in the grill. I need a set for my good scout. And I can even tell you how to remove them with out breaking them. I learned from my mistake!

No problem, PM me your info and we can go from there. I need the cash!

Sounds like a good plan.. Good luck and keep us updated on your progress.

GET A 220V welder. You will be glad you did. The penatration and speed is far better than the 110V machines. I suggest the 210-251. I have twin 251s.

GET A 220V welder. You will be glad you did. The penatration and speed is far better than the 110V machines. I suggest the 210-251. I have twin 251s.

About $1800 for the 251 and $1197 for the 210

http://www.fresnooxygen.com/about.mcic Ask for show sale price.


Build the 73....and if you do, I'll buy the rectangular chrome beauty rings in the grill. I need a set for my good scout. And I can even tell you how to remove them with out breaking them. I learned from my mistake!

I have some 33 year old sun faded, cracked, plastic chrome falling off "beauty rings" for real cheap. Anybody know of after market ones?

About $1800 for the 251 and $1197 for the 210

http://www.fresnooxygen.com/about.mcic Ask for show sale price.


I'll second(third?) Damian's "Go 220" vote. I traded away my Hobart 110V/120A MIG and moved up to a 220 unit.

No comparison. The little 110 would make an arc and melt metal, but it was ho-hum. The 220 sizzles with enough zap it makes my ears hurt.

That said, I looked at the 210 and 251.. and went cheap instead.

$512 for a Hobart 180 was a good compromise. There's still the 230amp stick machine if I really need to weld thick stuff together - and my beads look better with the stick. :D

i just picked up a miller matic 175 for $668 at barnes welding supply in stockton

Well,
I sold my 78 SSII and part of the deal was I got this:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL164/1025364/1933359/154290982.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL164/1025364/1933359/154290904.jpg

1970 Scout 800 Aristocrat, 304 v8, 3 speed auto, not sure which t-case.

The body is strait except for the ding n the drivers front fender, engine runs horribly, but its all there.

I plan on swapping in my d60 ff rear, scout II d44 front with 8-lug outers, SOA prob. 35-36" tires. I'll put the 345 from my 73 in there as well.

Ok, I'll have a few newb questions so bear with me...

What automatic and t-case is in this? Can I swap in a 727/d20 combo without major problems? Is the tranny that's in there good enough?

I plan on making this a streetable but very capable rig that i can drive to the trail or take camping etc...it wont be a dailey driver type rig.

Thanks.
Bryan

I believe the auto tranny in that year model should be a Borg Warner. I dont know much about them.

Ok,

Let me get a little more specific. I have approx. $2500-$3000 to spend on this build up, possibly a little more if I sell some parts. I want to build a rig that is capable to do the Con but still able to be driven to it. I wont be using it for commuteing to work or driving out of town long distances, but I would like to be able to drive it around on the weekends w/out problems.

I plan to use my D60 FF rear with some type of a locker, possible Aussie or similar and a Scout II D44 with chevy 8lug outers with either a limited slip or locker. Since I am being budget minded, is there any drawback to using a spool in the back instead of a locker? I would love selectable lockers but its out of the budget at this point.

As far as suspension goes, any problem with using SII springs/shackles etc...I know I'll have to fab new hangers for them, but I already have a D&C reverse shackle system from Damien sitting in a box in the garage and If I can use it great! Also, the guy who bought my SSII wants to put stock SII prings back on it and is going to give me the 2.5" rancho's that are on there now. Any drawbacks to this set up? Or would I be better off selling the 2.5" lift springs in favor of something else? Axles will be set up SOA with high steer.

My drivetrain plans include swapping the 345 from my 73SII in place of the 304 that is in there now since the 304 is leaking like a sieve and making ungodly noises. OK, so how good is the Borg Warner A/T? I am guessing the t-case is a D18 or D20 correct? I have a couple spare 727's lying around and wouldnt mind using one if possible. Ideally I would like to run 345/727/d20 with the tera low gearset or 345/727 with jeep output and jeep d300. But again, since I already have the 727/d20 i'd be ahead money wise to use them.

Other misc stuff would be power steering, power brakes (maybe hydroboost) full roll cage, suspension seats, new wiring harness, bumpers, lights, gauges, etc....

Well, what do you think? Good plan or not? Any ideas or suggestions, post them up! Any roadbloacks I may run into along the way?


Thanks!
Bryan.
ps- picking up my new millermatic 175 in the next couple of days unless I find a screaming deal on a used 210 soon:D I may be moving in about 2 months, so I need to get this project moving along. I'll be selling whats left of my 73SII (clear title and all) after I get the engine/axles out of under it.. I cant seem to find a use for them after I strip the parts I need....:grinpimp:

Nice base to start with....and sweet plates:flipoff2:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/154290982aa.jpg

Nice base to start with....and sweet plates:flipoff2:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/154290982aa.jpg

The plates are going to go with the new owner of my SSII. He has genetic orthopedic problems and thus the plates. Would be cool to keep though.

Do not even mess with/think about/plan to use the BW, ya got a 727 use it!
Gentry's Garage

I'd go with SOA, RS, HySteer, LTSS, gears and lockers, and cage.



Ok, not really, the gears and lockers and cage thing is a definate, but lets get real, coils and simplified link system like the one I put on my Machinist buggy would be best

Sounds good. 345/727/D20. As for the teralow in the D20, I would consider a jeep tail housing on your 727 and picking up a D300. This would set you up for other options to come later. Maybe NP231 doubler or STaK box

Scout II D44 with chevy 8lug outers Why don't you want to use the SOA chevy axle? A lot easier then grinding the Scout pumpkin for a leaf spring support. You can still cut them down and use the Scout axles.

drawback to using a spool Street driving will wear the tires a little faster since going around corners the tires might chirp a little. But a friend has a spool in his and he drives it on the street.

suspension seats:smokin:

I would be interested in your 73 Scout when your ready to sell.

I would start with wet sanding the outside and get it painted, so your "new" neighbors in two months won't mind looking at it:eek: Paint the dents an all.

NOOB question here. Why not just move the body of the 80/800 over to the SII frame?
Must be a PITA or someone would have mentioned it. Clue me in please.