Where exactly is it located and what are the class rules? I don't want to bring my junk up there and have to run aginst 38" tires.

Originally posted by 65_chevy_4x4
Where exactly is it located and what are the class rules? I don't want to bring my junk up there and have to run aginst 38" tires.

All classes are up to 45.0" tires. It's a "drag" style event. Don't think they have the rules on the website anymore, but basically they have two "street" classes that run for trophies only:

1b, you have to pull 15" vacuum at 800 RPM
2, you don't.

You have to join NMRO even to run the trophy-only classes ($50).

The first $ class is III & they allow any size engine, 1 gas carb, no NOS, open headers, engine setbacks, cutout beds, & 4-links. Tires have to be uncut & most of the guys are running either 38.5X11's at all corners, or 38.5's up front with 39.5X18's in back. Can't remember if you have to have a windshield or not. I think the record in this class on a 130' track is something like 2.8xx seconds.

Here's some info on last year's Lima event:

http://www.truckworld.com/Shows-Events/01-lima/lima-01.html

And the link for Special Events is: www.familyevents.com

TEX

Whats the payoff of the classes and how deep is the mud?
My truck won't even run a 800rpm, so I can't run that class. I think I can get a mid 3 second run out of it on 33s. (It is a 5000lb Panel truck)

No payout on the "street" classes, even class II. Just trophies. Can't remember what the new payout is on III, but they pay down to 10th place. Seems like maybe it's $400 to win, but then drops off pretty quick. The mud is just inches deep. The class II guys who are set up for that kind of racing are split - some go ahead & run the 38.5X11's at all 4 corners. Some, run 33" Boggers in back & either P78 Buckshots or 34X9.50 TSL's up front. The guys on the smaller tires don't really seem to be at much of a disadvantage in that class. In class III, they all have to run larger tires because they just have too much HP to get 33's to hook up. Actually, some are blowing 38.5's away on the start & that's why they had to go to the 39.5's or even 44's on the rear to get them to hook up. 800HP is a beautiful thing :smokin:

TEX

Oh yeah, this is the guy to beat in class II & this is about what the mud will look like. That's Chris Holloway & he has a warm 514" under the hood - nothing too radical, but it hooks up & goes pretty good.

http://www.gumbo4x4.com/M126.jpg

TEX

I looked at the stats and class 3 are only running 3.6 sec runs. Are you talking about 800hp w/ or w/o nitrous. I can't run nitrous on my motor. 600hp SBC! (Last year with my 300-400 horse motor I could run 4.7 and my truck wieghed more.)

Originally posted by 65_chevy_4x4
I looked at the stats and class 3 are only running 3.6 sec runs. Are you talking about 800hp w/ or w/o nitrous. I can't run nitrous on my motor. 600hp SBC! (Last year with my 300-400 horse motor I could run 4.7 and my truck wieghed more.)

800HP w/o nitrous. Nitrous isn't allowed in that class. The track is longer at Lima than the stats I gave you, so that's part of the reason the times are different. Also, sometimes the mud's a little sloppier than other times, and that can add a couple of tenths REAL quick. 2.8xx is the RECORD time on the shortest track they run. One of the quicker guys in class III has what I would estimate to be 6-650HP 406" SBC, but I'd also be willing to bet that his truck is less than 3,500 lbs. Maybe less than 3k (Toyota with the bed cut out). 5k is portly, even for a full-size. You need to get that sucker down below 4,500 w/o a driver. I've got a friend running a shortbed Chevy with a full steel body that's only 4,200 with an iron-head BIGBLOCK in it.

That truck of Holloway's isn't 800HP, probably more like 650. It's a lot milder than the full-roller 540's & 572's that some of these guys are running. There used to be a guy with a mid-60's Chevy P/U running a 632 that was awful tough to beat. But, he broke just about EVERYTHING in his driveline all at once about a year ago & I really haven't heard anything about him since.

TEX

Actually, I don't know the wieght of it. That was just a guess. I don't think I'll go up there, it's just not enough mud for my truck to take advantage of.
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Apr/2002444224703686140734.jpg
believe it or not the panel body is at least 500lbs lighter than the flatbed
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Apr/2002448425646188904027.jpg
Is this the truck you were talkin about?
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Apr/2002442121610330252067.jpg

Originally posted by 65_chevy_4x4

Is this the truck you were talkin about?


I don't think so. His was bright red - called the Killer Tomato. Pretty sure the guy's from Illinois. Lot of bad ass Super Stock trucks from IL, it's just too bad NMRO went to kind of a cross between Super Stock & Pro Stock for class III starting in 2000.

Like your panel! Good color for it. The old body styles are lighter than the newer ones, so maybe yours isn't quite that heavy since you haven't actually weighed it.

Even if you don't race, go on up & check it out. Pretty good way to kill a weekend IMO. And whether or not you take the truck, register it. It's the cheapest way to get tickets since registering the truck gets two adults in for the entire weekend. That's what I did for the Indy Jamboree in '94. Registered my truck, but drove up there in a mini-van with 2 other couples :D

TEX

Can't come up and watch either. It was a choice between our local mud bog and Lima. Plus I like watch the trucks run deep mud.

Originally posted by 65_chevy_4x4
Can't come up and watch either. It was a choice between our local mud bog and Lima. Plus I like watch the trucks run deep mud.

Well, if it's a choice between racing & watching, racing wins every time :) I personally like watching every kind of mud racing, but I enjoy DOING the bogs a lot more than drags.

TEX

Found it.
http://www.stompers4x4.com/WRN442.jpg


http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Apr/2002442071469598864279.jpg

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Apr/2002447692583173725403.jpg

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Apr/2002442935594132861682.jpg
It looses traction when it hits 2nd.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by 65_chevy_4x4
Found it.


Closer, but this truck was BRIGHT red. BTW, just for reference you were talking about not wanting to run with 38.5's & such. In Missouri there is nowhere you can go that will let you run open headers w/o running against guys with at LEAST 38.5's on their trucks. I only have two open header classes in my "Pit" - one is up to 44's, the other allows tractor tires :smokin:

TEX

Thats why I'm not going up there, all bogs around here allow open headers in all classes. Just got to have a collector.:mad3:
You can also do anything to your motor in the bog, except nitrous, blowers, and turbos. In the sling its got to look stock and run stock for the stock class.

Originally posted by 65_chevy_4x4
Just got to have a collector.:mad3:

Don't be too upset about that. Your engine will run better WITH a collector than without. Only the blower cars need zoomies.

Around here, we allow more & more mods as the tire size increases. To get into the lowest classes, not only do you have to have smaller tires, you also have to pass a vacuum test & possibly even produce proof that your truck is licensed for the street. Engine swaps are very limited, ditto for aluminum heads, and the type of suspension.

Move up a class & you still have to have mufflers, but you can do more to the engine & suspension.

Move up to Super Stock & you can run still taller tires, open headers, alcohol (most places), but suspension is still limited.

Up one more & you can gut it a bit more & do more with suspension. One more, and nitrous & cuts come in.

Next up comes homemade frames, etc.

TEX

I don't like those classes. If I were to run bigger tires I would destroy my drivetrain.

Originally posted by 65_chevy_4x4
I don't like those classes. If I were to run bigger tires I would destroy my drivetrain.

That's pretty much the norm though. That way you keep full-on competition vehicle out of the lowest class. Makes it a lot more fair for the little guy. And in your case, a switch to some downswept headers & some low-restriction mufflers would get you into something like "Hot Street".

TEX