I have had several 40's in the past but they all stayed sprung under. I have a 67 FJ45 long bed that I would like to spring over. First off does anyone have any axles that are already done that they would like to sell? I already have a small block chevy sm420 trans and a np205 t-case. There is a truck here in town that has a Dana 60 front 14BFF rear 420\205 combo that I can pick up for $1500.00 which is a good deal, that I am really considering buying for the parts. If I do go this route how much is involved in going with the high steering kit, do you use toyota springs or chevy springs, also what kind of power steering box can I use? Is the AGR stuff worth the money.

I guess my ultimate goal with this is to use it as a daily driver as I own my own business here and really think that the truck would stand out with my logos on the side and all. A friend of mine made a good point about how many crew cab F350s lifted with 38s and 22's with logos go buy you everyday and you never give them a second look, but you drive around in this lifted with 36's and everyone will remember seeing you and remember your business.

I actually grew up in the orangevale area and know the area but could you guys recommend any shop down there in the sac area that could narrow the diffs and assist me with the high steer setup? Any help would be great. Thanks Jeremy

36's aren't enough to warrent Dana axles, IMO.

Are you sure it's a 420/205 combo and not a 465?

I bet its a 465/205 as well.

Even if you dont put those axles under your 45 1500 is a pretty good price for a 1ton Chevy of that era. I would buy that regardless.


As far as just running 36/37 you dont need to do a 1ton swap. Dana 60s are expensive to build and it would be insane overkill for what you are wanting. Do a SOA on your axles, disc, Highsteer and call it good.

OK I'll bite. How do I tell the difference. I was going off of what I was told. I was told that the 420 has the reversetoward your leg and the 465 went away toward pass side. both are toward the drivers side. Let me know if I was mislead. The 420 also has the lower granny gear correct? 7:1 or something like that. Also what do you think the cost would be to do my stock axles with the high steer and disc compared to the 60/14 combo even though it would be overkill?

OK I'll bite. How do I tell the difference. I was going off of what I was told. I was told that the 420 has the reversetoward your leg and the 465 went away toward pass side. both are toward the drivers side. Let me know if I was mislead. The 420 also has the lower granny gear correct? 7:1 or something like that. Also what do you think the cost would be to do my stock axles with the high steer and disc compared to the 60/14 combo even though it would be overkill?


What year is the truck?

80 I believe if memory serves correct. I could be wrong and it could have been changed for whatever reason. Regardless I still think that its a smokin deal.

Good deal for sure.
if its an 80 it should be a 465 they used them from 69-91 I think and even though the 420 has a lower 1st gear the 465 is a better tranny for a daily driver, hands down. You are correct on the shift pattern though.

Also with the 1tons you will have to outboard the front springs, there is going to be more labor and cost.

If it were me...
-Your axles
-Hi steer
-Disc
-FJ60 steering box
Simple,easy,functional

Well it seems pretty clear that there is much more expense and work involved in what I was think of doing. I'm glad we had this little talk. Now to find someone to do the work on my axles, I appreciate all of your guys input.

I know Shaffers offroad is in Reno/Carson city they can do the job. Or do it yourself:D its not that hard of a task if you got the time and tools. These are just my o2 of course I am sure there are other opinions.

wow, you're all over the place. i think the one ton stuff would be way beefy but in your case, it's complete overkill and will actually hinder your performance some. the 1 ton axles are quite a bit heavier, twice as expensive to build and you'll loose ground clearance.
use the cruiser axles, put some good shafts in them front and rear, put discs on all four corners and you'll be a happy camper.

as to the 420-465 debate. all you need to do is to look at the trans. a 465 will have external webbing on both sides of the case. the 420 should only have webbing on one side if any at all. yes, the 420 is at 7:1 but the 465 is not far behind.


with 35-36" tires you'll be able to run stock axles and gearing and it'll work really well on and off the road.

I do have the tools but the time I am short on. I have a consrtuction company so time is a premium especially with the warm season coming up I will have ZERO extra time. I would rather take the rig somewhere drop it off to someone that has done this and knows what they are doing and have it done right the first time. Also are the mounts to drop in the small block combo or does this also need to be fabbed up?

I have just heard bad things about the stock axles but understood that they are rated at 3/4 ton, is this actually correct. I have no problem in putting the money into the stocl LC axles just thought that the chevy stuff would be cheaper and easier, but I think you guys have clued me into the fact that I was WRONG.

You need motor mounts to do a SB conversion. Wish search was up there is a really good motor mount thread thats fairly new.


Little bit of work to your axles and youl be ahead of the game.

Where have you heard bad things about the stock axles?

I'd say it's tough to rate them on a 1/2, 3/4, or 1 ton scale. Especially if you upgrade them at all. They're more than tough enough for 36-37" tires though.

Thank you guys for all of your help and heading me in the right direction. Where would I find these mounts? Also would be interested in some fenderwell exit headers.

I guess it was not so much the axles as the birfields. But the more I hear from the guys here that know I was obviously given some bad info. I will definatley look into having the work done on the stockers now. What kind of upgrades are you refering to?

Dude you gotta post up some pics of that 45.

I will take some pics of it tomorrow and post them

The stock birfields aren't that bad, depending upon the year and usage. With a locker you can pop them pretty easily. But there are very good upgrades available for much cheaper than a Dana 60.

What year is your rig? If it's '67-'69, the stock birfs suck, as do the brakes. But you can modify the axle in an afternoon to put on the later, larger, birfs and knuckles.

http://www.ih8mud.com has all the info.

I dont know if I can wate that long:D your avatar got me fired up!

Longs
Polly rears
fine spline pinions

that avatar is of a 45 that is for sale on ebay right now for $30k Pretty nice but over priced. you will be diappointed if I put pics of mine up after seeing that one

If the axles are OEM 1967 vintage they are ball and claw type, so there are some issues with keeping those.

you will be diappointed if I put pics of mine up after seeing that one


no way. post some pics of yours and use your own as your avitar.

There you go. By the way after talking with you guys last night and seeing what all is involved with how I want it to be I have decided that I really don't have the time for this right now and I put it on Ebay this morning. Auction# 4621732955 I don't know how to link it or I would have.

you change your mind too much. why would you want to sell that on a whim? i think you'll end up regretting that decision.

btw, that's a 465 in the back of the truck, not a 420......

Well according to YOU last night the 420 only has the webbing on one side as this one only has it on the pass side. You obviously know more than I on this subject so I won't debate it with you. Thanks for the info.

no big deal. there are a few different ways to tell a 420 from a 465. the easiest way to tell that yours is a 465 besides the ribbing on the sides is the fact that it has an aluminum bell housing attached to it. these only came in front of 465s, not 420s. either way, does'nt really matter anymore i guess. good luck with the sale.

not to hijack the discussion but i have a related question. are 1.5-ton axles on a stock '78 '45 LWB enough to handle 36-37" tires? i'm assuming that given their greater load capacity, they might be stronger than dana 1-ton axles. correct?

not to hijack the discussion but i have a related question. are 1.5-ton axles on a stock '78 '45 LWB enough to handle 36-37" tires? i'm assuming that given their greater load capacity, they might be stronger than dana 1-ton axles. correct?



No not correct. Dana 1tons are much stronger in stock form than stock Cruiser.

There you go. By the way after talking with you guys last night and seeing what all is involved with how I want it to be I have decided that I really don't have the time for this right now and I put it on Ebay this morning. Auction# 4621732955 I don't know how to link it or I would have.


WTF why?
Yea thats a 465 in the back


**Edit** Georg already set you straight:D

Its weird to me that you bagged this idea so quickly:( and listed it on ebay. Why not offer it to a true cruiserhead here first? If you are going to do that?
What are you going to do for a company truck? Crew cab f-350 with 38s and 20s:flipoff2: ?

WTF You want it $6000.00 Cruiserhead. Put up or shut. What's your problem anyway. All I did was ask a few questions of you last night and your totally bagging on me for wanting to sell it. What do you care. I don't mean to be rude but honestly last night your cool as can be and today I'm an asshole for wanting sell because I really don't have the time. Last night conversation with you guys made me realize this after we were done.

wow.
if this was'nt the cruiser section you'd be a burning pile of %$$*$^* right now.
i think you outta take a minute, sit out in the yard with a cold one and relax. nobody is busting your balls on here, we're just trying to tell you that you might regret selling the 45 cause it'll be tough to find another one. afaik. we're all on the same team here, so let's keep it that way.
if time is your only concern, then stash the 45 and get back to it when you're ready. if you need the cash from the sale, then that's a different story.

relax brother.:beer:

I'm sorry I went off. I am just catching hell from all side here on things latley. Should'nt have vented on you like that. It's that I am project poor right now 64 wagon, 67 truck, 68 El Camino, and my boat which is also for sale.

There you go. By the way after talking with you guys last night and seeing what all is involved with how I want it to be I have decided that I really don't have the time for this right now and I put it on Ebay this morning. Auction# 4621732955 I don't know how to link it or I would have.



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I see where you are coming from jumping into a big project like this one. I myself have been working on a soa for the last two years on a very small budget. But if you decide to do this there will be alot of support around here especially on a fj45 which is for most of us a dream truck. Just do some quick reading on build thread like fj40 project "isabel" and you would see the support you can get. If you must sell it good luck, a fj45 in my honest opinion is the best all around rig you can own.

Yep, just trying to talk some sense into you! Do what you need to do, I just thought it was weird all these big plans then next move for sale on ebay. Not bagging on you. Just seemed weird to me thats all. Like Georg said same team here, the Cruiser section is just that way.
On a seperate note... So is 6K your reserve?

fj45 which is for most of us a dream truck.


Amen to that:D

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sell that boat first, no need for one of them up in the high desert.

newbie fawker!:flipoff2:

and quit changin yer avitar all the damn time!!!

$6500 reserve

Dont sell the 45. you'll never find another. Most guys would kill to find one, If you dont have the time to do it your self, there are plenty of shops that can do the work.

If I could sale my 92 fj8o tomorrow I would buy it from you or trade.