: WTB: LT-230 linkage


Serious One
03-13-2006, 03:42 PM
Anyone have one? Lemme know. :D

I got PT's LT-230 and will start going through it soon. Getting the linkage isn't an overnight need, but I should start looking now I think.

If you have one that you would like to sell, or trade, or whatever, let me know. That would be sweet!

AKRover
03-13-2006, 04:27 PM
I just purchased one from Will Tillery on DiscoWeb. I usually don't buy things from people I don't know over the internet with the exception of e-bay but he seemed to have a good reputation on that board. It should arrive soon along with the frame mount for $190 shipped to Alaska.

I seem to remember him mentioning that he had another one.

D110pickup
03-13-2006, 05:48 PM
Mike,
Let me exactly what you need. I've got the linkage from the 110 I just swapped a ZF autobox into. I kept the 110 transfer case.
BTW, the linkage was different between the 110 with an LT85 and the ZF from a Rangie.
Email me at m.a.pado@lmco.com. I can't access the Pirate from work.
Mike

cptyarderho
03-14-2006, 07:15 AM
I can vouch for Will, have bought a t-case and other things from him. Never a problem, he is our local go-to guy for parts.

Serious One
03-14-2006, 07:38 AM
Yeah, Schram said he sold Tillery a few linkages...would be funny if I ended up with one of 'em.

Does Will have any contact info?

cptyarderho
03-14-2006, 06:48 PM
ROVERGUY PARTS 804.539.5845
his phone is really the best way to reach him, but he posts stuff for sale over at Discoweb often.

Serious One
03-14-2006, 07:07 PM
I called him earlier today...he's sold-out until next week.

I might have a line on one here locally, but I had him earmark one for me anyway.

PTSchram
03-14-2006, 10:37 PM
I can soak the one you saw...

Better yet, it might just be in the package along with your driveshaft, inverter and cell phone charger...

Serious One
03-14-2006, 11:01 PM
I can soak the one you saw...

Sweet! I'll look for it. I guess you guys made it there alright...it seems you found an internet connection as well.

Give Andrew a call when you get a chance. Oh and send me that pic you took! :D

AKRover
03-16-2006, 10:48 PM
This arrived in the mail today.

http://homepage.mac.com/noahlmil/images/shifter.jpg

Unfortunately I am still missing a very important piece. The piece that bolts on to the transfer case with six bolts which houses the Hi/Lo pivot.

http://homepage.mac.com/noahlmil/images/case3.jpg


I was under the impression that it came with the linkage but I guess not. It is the only thing that I am lacking now.

Does anybody have one of these laying around?

SeaRover
03-16-2006, 11:12 PM
looks liek someone stole the cover off your LT230 - e.g. it's incomplete.

i'd bet money someone sold the cover off to a DII guy that had a case w/o the selecter nub on top so they could use their diff-lock on the newer case.

bummer.

try John at tidewater rovers and tell him what you need. he could probably set you up for not too much cash. only problem is the distance - he's on th eeast coast.

This arrived in the mail today.

http://homepage.mac.com/noahlmil/images/shifter.jpg

Unfortunately I am still missing a very important piece. The piece that bolts on to the transfer case with six bolts which houses the Hi/Lo pivot.

http://homepage.mac.com/noahlmil/images/case3.jpg


I was under the impression that it came with the linkage but I guess not. It is the only thing that I am lacking now.

Does anybody have one of these laying around?

AKRover
03-16-2006, 11:36 PM
i'd bet money someone sold the cover off to a DII guy that had a case w/o the selecter nub on top so they could use their diff-lock on the newer case.


I was thinking the same thing since the entire linkage was missing.

This transfer case was one of two that I could find in the state (Alaska). I told the guys at the yard that is was missing pieces and they still wouldn't drop the price. I went back and forth with them for two weeks until finally I caved and bought it for $500 knowing I was going to have to acquire these missing pieces. The other transfer case was complete but they were selling it for $1000, screw that.

I sent a message to the guy I bought the linkage from to see if I could get this piece from him and I am waiting for his response. If not I will call John. Are there any other sources for these parts? Can they be bought new?

SeaRover
03-17-2006, 12:09 AM
$1000! highway robbery ... i've heard that about AK, though - stuff is hard to come by I suppose.

i bet we could find somethign out of vancouver or seattle area - i can shop around a bit if you'd like. It'd be better than the east coast ;)

AKRover
03-17-2006, 01:45 AM
Yeah, my parts from the east are all rusty too. :shaking:

If you know of somewhere in Washington that I could get this stuff that would be great.

AKRover
03-17-2006, 10:58 AM
looks liek someone stole the cover off your LT230 - e.g. it's incomplete.

i'd bet money someone sold the cover off to a DII guy that had a case w/o the selecter nub on top so they could use their diff-lock on the newer case.

bummer.

try John at tidewater rovers and tell him what you need. he could probably set you up for not too much cash. only problem is the distance - he's on th eeast coast.

Read your post again and saw that you mentioned that the CDL selector was gone but it is still there if I'm not mistaken. You can see part of it in the bottom right hand corner of my second picture.

Serious One
03-17-2006, 01:04 PM
I'm having to make a small 90deg. bracket out of 2 inch angle iron for the e-brake on my LT-230.

The e-brake that I have to use on the CrewCab is the style that is removable from both the brake and the lever.

The other style (Disco???) is difficult to seperate, the cable goes into the backing plate and attatches on the inside.

Anyway, my point is, if you're doing the LT-230 swap make sure you use the same e-brake that is on the truck.

I thought I was going to be able to add some tech. to this thread, when really all I'm doing is just making a small bracket and want to brag about it for a minute.

:flipoff2:

AKRover
03-17-2006, 01:26 PM
I was hoping I could use the cable that is on my vehicle since the one that came with my 230 was cut in half. Hacks. :shaking:

There is still an opportunity to add some tech. What is the purpose of this bracket you are making?

Serious One
03-17-2006, 01:59 PM
The crewcab's LT-230 is divorce-mounted. It sits wAAAAAy back from the e-brake lever.

I had to wait and find a longer e-brake cable and fortunately PT has one that I think will reach. If not, I'll have to go have one made...but I think this one will work.

There are two types...one is the type that is basically permanently attatched to the backing plate, and the second type has an eye on each end that connects to the e-brake and lever.

The second type (which I am using), has a pass-through plate which attatches to the LT-230 somehow into some threaded bosses. The LT-230 that I currently am using does NOT have these attatching points, so I'm having to make a simple bracket to be able to mount the cable where I want it.

Just me making sure that the cable I have can mount to the t-case where I need it to.

I can take a pic if anyone's curious.

AKRover
03-17-2006, 02:09 PM
I like pictures, especially ones of your crew cab. ;)

Serious One
03-17-2006, 06:22 PM
Here's the shot of the little bracket I made. The cable length was actually a little long, but I looped it around and it fit perfectly. The fit next to the e-brake with the custom LT-230 cross-member was very tight, but it all worked very nicely.

http://tawayama.com/D2x/ebrakebraketlt230.jpg

Serious One
03-17-2006, 06:27 PM
I like pictures, especially ones of your crew cab. ;)

You might like this one then...

http://tawayama.com/D2x/seriousoneandcrewcabingarag.jpg

revor
03-17-2006, 07:10 PM
Mike I thought you got a new bike? One with 27" wheels....

Seriously man this is a depressing pic with Serious One sitting there with his eyes all gouged out... and lonely...

AKRover
03-17-2006, 07:20 PM
Very nice. Now I understand the purpose of the bracket.

I have a question about my missing transfer case part that I'm hoping someone can answer. You may think this has nothing to do with your thread but if I can't find this part the linkage I just bought will be for sale. :D

Will this piece form a DII case (pictured below) work on an older case like the one that I have? It looks like it will to me it just looks like it is a little bit taller with some extra stuff bolted to it. As long as it shifts it from Hi to Lo I could care less about the other stuff. This is the case the PT posted pictures of a while back that had metal chunks in the oil.
http://homepage.mac.com/noahlmil/images/case4.jpg

PTSchram
03-17-2006, 08:09 PM
You paid $500 for a transfer case that didn't have the hi/lo shift assembly?

Ouch!

The parts from a DII transfer case MIGHT fit on the earlier transfer case. I have had a couple of each apart and they "Look" very similar. I'd give it a try and report back to us!

PT

(glad at least one of my pictures benefited somebody :flipoff2: lthough I don't think the client was very happy when a link to those pics here ended up on Dweb-OOPS! Pendy was right again)

Serious One
03-17-2006, 09:29 PM
Mike I thought you got a new bike? One with 27" wheels....

Seriously man this is a depressing pic with Serious One sitting there with his eyes all gouged out... and lonely...

Yeah, the LWB headlights both blew the low-beams on the same day, and one of the lenses was totally cracked/shattered.

I was too cheap/in a hurry to order new lights/bulbs from ARB, so I cannibalized the ones off of the S1. Trust me...I felt guilty doing it.

PT, what t-case did that extra long cable come off of? Was it a DII?

PTSchram
03-17-2006, 11:52 PM
PT, what t-case did that extra long cable come off of? Was it a DII?

'89 Rangie.

AKRover
03-18-2006, 01:40 AM
You paid $500 for a transfer case that didn't have the hi/lo shift assembly?

Ouch!


It was better than $1000. I priced shipping one up here and the price was more than $500 including the shipping. I'm thinking now that it might be worth it. You get used to paying more for things that you guys can get for cheap when you live up hear for a while. If I can't locate this thing I'll be returning this case and paying even more to ship one.:shaking:

Everything on the DII case looks very similar. The only thing that I am curious about is the length of the lever that the linkage attaches to.

PTSchram
03-18-2006, 10:03 AM
Everything on the DII case looks very similar. The only thing that I am curious about is the length of the lever that the linkage attaches to.

If it weren't for all of the different variations in seemingly similar components, I'd tell you it would fit absolutely, but I've learned that this is often too simple a statement. It is certainly worth a try.

Were I back in Indiana, I'd pull a DII t-case apart and try the swap and let you know what I'd found, but alas, I'm gonna have enough trouble moving stuff around in my storage space just to get to the parts I need to put on my truck!

Bush65
03-19-2006, 01:42 AM
...http://homepage.mac.com/noahlmil/images/shifter.jpg...
That pic shows the very cr@p, later style diff lock lever.

The early diff lock lever is far better.

Bush65
03-19-2006, 01:55 AM
...PT, what t-case did that extra long cable come off of? Was it a DII?
When I fitted the X-eng disc handbrake/emergency brake to my rangie, I had to convert to a cable operated lever (to replace my old mechanical linkage style). I used a lever from a rangie with borg warner tranfer case, but it had a very long cable, so I used a much shorter cable from a defender.

PTSchram
03-19-2006, 09:43 AM
That pic shows the very cr@p, later style diff lock lever.

The early diff lock lever is far better.

I disagree. That is what I would have referred to as an early style shift assembly (RRC and DI), and the later style (DII) is the cable operated one. I do agree that the one pictured is inferior to the later cable operated one, but the cable operated one also requires a different cast piece that fits on top of the T-case, along with the stamped sheet metal cbale bracket.

The DII shifter is SO much more elegant that the lever operated shifters.

PT

SeaRover
03-19-2006, 11:58 AM
i have a DII LT230 in my rangie. it's basically the same unit, but you've got another hurdle I'm afraid: the rear output housing DOES NOT HAVE a provision for the speedo input gear. because of this, you have no way of driving the Vehicle Speed Sensor, or VSS. no VSS = unhappy 14cux ECU!

I had to buy an ouput housing from an older LT230 to fix this little problem. the two can be seen here:

http://nwrovers.com/pics/albums/LT230SE-add-speedo-gear/DSCN0002.sized.jpg

on the left you can see the speedo gear in the housing. the DII housing on the right as you can see has a cast hole and no way to get the speedo gear in there.

a resourceful person could machine the casting to accept the gear with a bit of work. for me, it was easier to source a new output. the whole thing just bolts on - very easy IF you have access to another output housing assembly. given your predicament, I think you'd probably be better off sourcing a complete LT230 with the correct housing and a hi/lo cover from the west coast!

I will get over to my rover guru on Monday to see if he has anything knocking about. if we could find a dead LT230 you could get both parts maybe; still need to look around.

SeaRover
03-19-2006, 12:03 PM
mine bolted right up! works brilliantly, and is very quiet, too.

i used a bone stock D1 hi/lo/diff-lock shift assembly and it works fine. the only issue is that while in high-range the lever sits back kind of low and will interfere with the stock trans-tunnel cover in a rangie. you'll either need more clearance around the shifter, or you'll need to bend the rod to suit.

i removed the shift-lockout mechanism and sealed it back up. the sensor on the side connects up just like the borg-warner and older LT230 cases.

hope this helps -


EDIT: I also used the DII e-brake assembly, including it's original cable mechanism. I agree with PT - the DII unit is really slick and works flawlessly. It will bolt right up to your older style brake lever, you just need to fiddle with removing the old cable and reconnect the new cable directly to the lever.

If it weren't for all of the different variations in seemingly similar components, I'd tell you it would fit absolutely, but I've learned that this is often too simple a statement. It is certainly worth a try.

Were I back in Indiana, I'd pull a DII t-case apart and try the swap and let you know what I'd found, but alas, I'm gonna have enough trouble moving stuff around in my storage space just to get to the parts I need to put on my truck!

SeaRover
03-19-2006, 12:06 PM
replying to myself again - you can see more pics of the two output housings on my (very) small tech page -

http://nwrovers.com/pics/LT230SE-add-speedo-gear?page=1

AKRover
03-19-2006, 01:18 PM
I may have found the part that I need but I won't know for sure until Tuesday.

I hope I didn't confuse you by posting the picture of the DII 230, that is not my transfer case. I have the older style from a DI so the out-put on mine will work just fine.

I was a little worried about the shifter not having enough room but my center consul is identical to a DI so I hope there are no problems. I will have to chop that wood cover to allow the shifter to move side to side.

Bush65
03-20-2006, 02:25 AM
I disagree. That is what I would have referred to as an early style shift assembly (RRC and DI), and the later style (DII) is the cable operated one. I do agree that the one pictured is inferior to the later cable operated one, but the cable operated one also requires a different cast piece that fits on top of the T-case, along with the stamped sheet metal cbale bracket.

The DII shifter is SO much more elegant that the lever operated shifters.

PT
Paul,
I was not very clear. I was referring to the lever that runs down the right side of the box and operates the diff lock.

That is indead the cr@p late style of lever, fabricated from rolled flat bar with pivot pins welded to one side of the lever.

The early diff lock levers were cast (or possibly forged) and had a decent boss for the pivot and use clevis's and pins.

I have not had anything to do with the Disco 2, if they have changed to cable, that would overcome the problems with the late style lever.