carnage list from pro rocks

[Heywood]

There was more breakage at this comp than Ive seen at the previous comps.
I thought a list might help those still building

1-front out put
1-rear out put
2-HP front gear seats, 1 4.10 & 1 5.29?
1 or 2 MTRS
2 Profields
1 hub (tooken out by profield)
1 rear driveshaft (stock)
1 radiator smashed from lack of protection, but still useable

Thats all I can remember.

[Brian Ellinger]

HIJACK!

Lets see pics of all the ftoys that ran this event! Im seeing minimal coverage across the board.

And Sean, did you get your rear end fixed?

[Heywood]

HIJACK!

Lets see pics of all the ftoys that ran this event! Im seeing minimal coverage across the board.

And Sean, did you get your rear end fixed?

Theres alot of pics over at trail gear.

That diamond axle freaking rocks! Chris got some close up pics of it over there. I think crawl mag got some good pics too.
I got it in friday, no time to even paint it! It looks BAD ASS!!! I have to say I had a little more confidence doing full throttle launches:D
Thanks for the great service and comunication.
Hobie was saying your thinking about stepping up to support the class.
Right on:D

[ACE-CAGE-#29]

HIJACK!

Lets see pics of all the ftoys that ran this event! Im seeing minimal coverage across the board.

And Sean, did you get your rear end fixed?


Check it out at www.Trail-Gear.com

[ACE-CAGE-#29]

Team Trail-Gear Carnage List:

1. T-Case Rear Output Shaft
2. Front Ring & Pinion (High Pinion 4.11)
3. Ram Assist (Bent Rod on ram and tie rod)

[desertoy]

Team Trail-Gear Carnage List:

1. T-Case Rear Output Shaft
2. Front Ring & Pinion (High Pinion 4.11)
3. Ram Assist (Bent Rod on ram and tie rod)

What ended up being bend in the rear Matt? Something was making the rear axle turn 3 inches to the right.

[desertoy]

Team Tin Benders carnage list.

1. Transfer case front output (???)
2. 3 MT/R tires (2 sidewall puncture, 1 big gash)

I'm not quite sure what was going on this weekend but this is the first time ever in 6 years of extreeme rock crawling that I have blown a tire (sorry Todd :D).
As for the transfer case, Who knows.
Hopefully this kind of breakage is over though.

[a2b]

last year we had 1 birfield and 1 ring and pinion out of 3 complete comps. what is up with this year??? wow, we are really tearing out stuff up:D

["Tonka"]

More for the list. Mike F-Toy #19
2 Birf's
1 Locking hub
1 Twisted driveshaft

[surveyboy]

last year we had 1 birfield and 1 ring and pinion out of 3 complete comps. what is up with this year??? wow, we are really tearing out stuff up:D
you guys know what your rigs can do now and you guys are pushing them a little farther than last year.

looks like you're all having fun though :D

[a2b]

you guys know what your rigs can do now and you guys are pushing them a little farther than last year.


i dont know what you are talking about...i baby my rig:D

[surveyboy]

i dont know what you are talking about...i baby my rig:D
yeah, if it were a red-headed stepchild :laughing:

[Nissan Recovery Team]

How are the high pinions breaking? I just picked one up in the 4.10 flavor and now a little concerned.

[desertoy]

How are the high pinions breaking? I just picked one up in the 4.10 flavor and now a little concerned.

I finally sold mine after doing 3 R&P. Todd's hasn't broke yet and it has 4.10's. If it was me, I would put heat treated/cryo'd 5.29's in the high pinion and run it.

[Air Ride]

The ones I've seen were in reverse.

[Pook]

How are the high pinions breaking? I just picked one up in the 4.10 flavor and now a little concerned.


me too...

I wonder why they are blowing so easy in reverse, when the lowpinions are always ran in reverse when in the front going forward.

Pretty sure Heywood has put some hard mileage on his since he ran them last year as well. I dunno, no I am rethinking this whole thing...

[Tim Florian]

me too...

I wonder why they are blowing so easy in reverse, when the lowpinions are always ran in reverse when in the front going forward.


The problem isn't just using reverse, it is when the buggy is pointed downhill and your trying to back up. All the weight is on the front end and then your using the week side of the gear to back up. When the low pinion third is in the front going forward, yes it's running on the week side of the gear, but for the most part the majority of the weight load in a stressed situation (like the comp courses) is on the rear axle.


I found a really good balance running cryoed 4:88s. I don't know how cryoed 5:29's work because when I was breaking 5:29's I didn't know about the amazing benifits of cryo yet. So I switched to 4:10's only to start breaking t-case's. After like 3 output shaft failures I decided I needed to relieve some of the torque from the t-case. Going to Cryoed 4:88's did just that.

Good luck, breaking sucks especially in comps.

[Nissan Recovery Team]

Ahhh.....(lightbulb) Well, that makes sense...Well, gonna run what I got till it breaks I guess. Will have to do my homework on the cryo stuff and start learning to set up my own gears.

Traded my ARB for a HP Elocker for the front end in 4.10s

Isn't it fun Pook? Learnin' something all the time. Building these things is not an easy task by anymeans..:eek: :)

[Heywood]

Ill be continuing to run HP Elock 4.10s
I havent broke enough yet to change. Ive had stock 4.10s in the rear for years, and have even broken two rearshafts with them.
Im pretty sure my HP broke going foward.
Also changing ratios would mean not only changing the two in the rig, but the two spares also.
As long as Tim is there to pull out the stuck birfs, changing 3rds isint too bad:D Even when its snowing:(
Deffinatly gonna look into cryoing.

[Nissan Recovery Team]

Ill be continuing to run HP Elock 4.10s
I havent broke enough yet to change. Ive had stock 4.10s in the rear for years, and have even broken two rearshafts with them.
Im pretty sure my HP broke going foward.
Also changing ratios would mean not only changing the two in the rig, but the two spares also.
As long as Tim is there to pull out the stuck birfs, changing 3rds isint too bad:D Even when its snowing:(
Deffinatly gonna look into cryoing.

Good to hear and we have several 4.10 diffs around also so changing ratios is not something I really want to do yet.

[Tim Florian]

As long as Tim is there to pull out the stuck birfs,


I put 60's under my rig so I wouldn't have too change anymore birfs, but somehow I always end up greasy.:laughing:
Watching (and kinda helping) you and Brandon swap the third while it was snowing was very entertaning by the way:flipoff2:

[RE:Todd]

I finally sold mine after doing 3 R&P. Todd's hasn't broke yet and it has 4.10's. If it was me, I would put heat treated/cryo'd 5.29's in the high pinion and run it.Last year at the Jambo comp broke the front on an uphill climb out. Put in cyro'd 4.10's, so far so good. John, we need to figure out the tire thing, I'll give you a call this weekend.

[ACE-CAGE-#29]

What ended up being bend in the rear Matt? Something was making the rear axle turn 3 inches to the right.

It appears that when they winched from my right rear shackle plate it bent the shackle bolts and plates. It also looks like the frame could be twicked a little also.

I have the buggy on the lift now. I will be replacing the suspesion all the around (new springs, bushings and shackle assemblies). I will be switching from the 4.10 gears to 5.29's. I am going to stick with the hi-pinion for now, but my confidence is very low right now with the hi-pinion due to breaking it twice. I have rebuilt the t-case and also another one for backup.

The following replacement parts will be available for the next comp.

1. Drivelines.
2. 2 complete 5.29 diffs with detroits.
3. Extra T-case
4. Shackle assemblies.
5. 1.5" ram.
6. 1 complete hi-steer kit.
7. 2 rear outputs.
8. 2 front outputs.
9. Multiple Power Tanks.
10. Rear axles short and long.
11. Front axles inner/outers.


I want TG to be the central repair point for all F-Toys. Please let me know what else you would like us to have on hand.

Thanks,
Matt

[Im4yotas]

It appears that when they winched from my right rear shackle plate it bent the shackle bolts and plates. It also looks like the frame could be twicked a little also.

I have the buggy on the lift now. I will be replacing the suspesion all the around (new springs, bushings and shackle assemblies). I will be switching from the 4.10 gears to 5.29's. I am going to stick with the hi-pinion for now, but my confidence is very low right now with the hi-pinion due to breaking it twice. I have rebuilt the t-case and also another one for backup.

The following replacement parts will be available for the next comp.

1. Drivelines.
2. 2 complete 5.29 diffs with detroits.
3. Extra T-case
4. Shackle assemblies.
5. 1.5" ram.
6. 1 complete hi-steer kit.
7. 2 rear outputs.
8. 2 front outputs.
9. Multiple Power Tanks.
10. Rear axles short and long.
11. Front axles inner/outers.


I want TG to be the central repair point for all F-Toys. Please let me know what else you would like us to have on hand.

Thanks,
Matt


You going to have a press to do the bearings, or have bearings already installed on all the spares?

Don't forget spindles and hubs. Maybe knuckles, or an extractor set and steering arm studs. Maybe some break lines and all fluids...man, this could get out of control trying to bring spare everything. I know, just bring a couple spare turn key f-toys:D

[Im4yotas]

Oh, and Sean did break the HP 4.10's going forward. But it was climbing an undercut ledge with the buggy downhill at the front a bit. Both tires in the undercut at the same time. Tried crawling a bunch. Then a few 2nd or 3rd gear bumps searching for traction. Right before it blew up, I was pretty sure something was gonna go, but we couldn't get into a better position. Before I had time to find a new line - BANGklangklangklangklangklangklangklangklangklang

[Brian Ellinger]

It appears that when they winched from my right rear shackle plate it bent the shackle bolts and plates. It also looks like the frame could be twicked a little also.

I have the buggy on the lift now. I will be replacing the suspesion all the around (new springs, bushings and shackle assemblies). I will be switching from the 4.10 gears to 5.29's. I am going to stick with the hi-pinion for now, but my confidence is very low right now with the hi-pinion due to breaking it twice. I have rebuilt the t-case and also another one for backup.

The following replacement parts will be available for the next comp.

1. Drivelines.
2. 2 complete 5.29 diffs with detroits.
3. Extra T-case
4. Shackle assemblies.
5. 1.5" ram.
6. 1 complete hi-steer kit.
7. 2 rear outputs.
8. 2 front outputs.
9. Multiple Power Tanks.
10. Rear axles short and long.
11. Front axles inner/outers.


I want TG to be the central repair point for all F-Toys. Please let me know what else you would like us to have on hand.

Thanks,
Matt

Matt-
for folks not running FROR's hub and knuckle studs, there's some parts to add:
wheel hubs
locking hubs or drive flanges
knuckles

and other parts:
possibly some springs, or even just mains
IFS box, tapped, with plugs
brake hoses
ARB solenoid
for the drivelines, might want to just do up some square ones, for univeral fit

How bigs that trailer? :D

[Pook]

Oh, and Sean did break the HP 4.10's going forward. But it was climbing an undercut ledge with the buggy downhill at the front a bit. Both tires in the undercut at the same time. Tried crawling a bunch. Then a few 2nd or 3rd gear bumps searching for traction. Right before it blew up, I was pretty sure something was gonna go, but we couldn't get into a better position. Before I had time to find a new line - BANGklangklangklangklangklangklangklangklangklang

For the number of low pinion thirds that have broken in the past just trail riding...could these highpinion breaks really just be from wheeling it hard and not willing to back up to get a new line (comp settings)?

I've broken several gear sets in the past 4.10's , 5.29's... all low pinions just trail riding.

I really hope my new hipinion gears holds up.

[ACE-CAGE-#29]

Thanks for the thoughts on the other spare parts, I actually most of the items ready to go.

I am working on a second trailer/moble shop for the comps.....Yeah Baby!

Matt

[Im4yotas]

Don't forget to stock the trailer with a couple workers to fix the rigs, and some beer for us to drink while we watch them fix our rigs:D

As for the break, it was wheeled hard all year long. I'm pretty sure most of the cause came from that undercut, though. But my broken R&P's have all been fatigued and broke on petty shit. I broke 2 V6 4.56's, an IFS 4.56, and a Ford 9" 5.49 trail riding. None gave up on any significant load.

[Tim Florian]

Misc. hardware could come in handy.

[a2b]

here,
add this to the list.

this is what happend to me on the way back:(

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so i make it to the 14 and i hear clatter. i pull over to find my rearest pass tire on the trailer had blown. well, no problem, i went to get the spare. BUT wait, i remember that i had lost the keys to the trailer which had the key to the master lock that was keeping the spare tucked up under the trailer and locked away from theives and now locked away from me.:(

so now stranded at 11pm with no spare, i call my cousin at the house. he loaded up the truck with bolt cutters and out he comes. well on his way out, i notce that the blow debree out had punctured the side wall of the tire in front. it put a pin hole in the side wall and went flat. now i have 1 flat and 1 very dead wheel. after another hour of waiting, he shows up, we put the spare on and then slowly roll to the nearest gas station hoping that the flat doesnt make the other 2 tires explose. (these are D rated marathons and they are at the weight limit with the buggy in the trailer). lucky for me i had plugs in the truck. we put the plug in the sidewall of the flat tire and aired it up. i was certain that the plug would pop out, but back on the freeway we proceeded. we made it home an hour later plug in tact:D

now i need 2 wheels and 3 new tires. i am going to carry 2 spares from now on. i also need keys to my trailer.

thanks trail-gear and marlin and prp for cash, because now i can put the cash towards my trailer fixes. and i thought it would be play money:rolleyes:

[Air Ride]

Here is the tire you need to get hobie

Goodyear G614/RST

They are laod range G at 110psi

[Brian Ellinger]

Hobie, you dont know how much of a hard time I get for carrying 1 spare wheel/tire, and 2 spare tires loose. Heck, If I made trailer spindles mounted up with a flange, Id carry a whole spindle/hub assembly. Really sucks to find out 800 miles from home that you just lost a hub, and melted a spindle!

[a2b]

Here is the tire you need to get hobie

Goodyear G614/RST

They are laod range G at 110psi

mike. i have pretty small tires on 15" 5 lug rims. will they fit those? i think they made the tires small because my trailer is spring over and my 3"lfited truck with 35's takes a 2" lifted reciever hitch just to get to the tongue. so i dont want to raise the trailer more than i have to.
but i knew those tires werent enought when i bought the trailer.

[Air Ride]

I think they only come 16" or bigger.

You better check your axle rating. Most 5 lug axles arn't rated that high.

[a2b]

ya, when i get back, i will find out. i need to find out how much the trailer weighs too and figure all that mess out.