Well, I ordered one yesterday and Steve from Specialty Parts called me back today and said Klune told him they are no longer making the mounting kit for the Samurai. Seems they were not happy with it and were planning on redesigning it but no timeframe was given. Oh well, have to look into other options.

WTF?

I think he said,

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
Well, I ordered one yesterday and Steve from Specialty Parts called me back today and said Klune told him they are no longer making the mounting kit for the Samurai. Seems they were not happy with it and were planning on redesigning it but no timeframe was given. Oh well, have to look into other options.

A little padding never hurt anyone:D

Azrckcrawler, thought about generating your own adapter?

Originally posted by DemoMike
I think he said,



A little padding never hurt anyone:D

Azrckcrawler, thought about generating your own adapter?



I did but I'd hate to mess up a chunk of aluminum the size that they use on the Klune, I am not that good of a machinist. I am wondering what they did not like about it? Is there a problem we are not hearing about or are they just trying to get the cost down with a simpler mounting system (mounting parts are $800)?

Now to think about other options to get that deep..

Stack a toy case w/4.7:1 gears?

6:1 to gears (still not deep enough.. I want deeper!)

I know i tried to order mine this week too! Nothing available!!!

Hmm

A possiblity (too bad Ott is building a new machine shop, and won't be able to really deliver anything till June..)

Ott divorce Toyota transfercase adapter
4.7 gear for rear toy case
dual toy case stack
halfshaft (between zuk 1.3 tranny and toy case)

$325+$589+$442 = $1356

new tunnel - ?

since I'm using toy axles, this could be good..

Well, well..... this is interesting.

The biggest problem I can see with the kit is that they half-ass make the existing t-case frame mounts work, specifically the passenger side. Designing a better way to do it would not be too tough tho.

I will give Luke a call & see if I can find out what's up:confused:

That was my thought, I am just not in the fabricating mood right now, well other than planning my tubed rear end. The back end was the big project for the summer, I was hoping to have a bolt in gearing solution.

Originally posted by tdavis
Hmm

A possiblity (too bad Ott is building a new machine shop, and won't be able to really deliver anything till June..)

Ott divorce Toyota transfercase adapter
4.7 gear for rear toy case
dual toy case stack
halfshaft (between zuk 1.3 tranny and toy case)

$325+$589+$442 = $1356

new tunnel - ?

since I'm using toy axles, this could be good..

This or maybe that SOS thingie the ol' what-his-name used to ply around here. They both sound too ling for a SWB sammie though.

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER

I will give Luke a call & see if I can find out what's up:confused:

that would be good.

Originally posted by DemoMike


This or maybe that SOS thingie the ol' what-his-name used to ply around here. They both sound too ling for a SWB sammie though.

I was thinking of doing the OTT divorce adapter with dual toy t-cases, but I think it is too long for a stock SWB sammi. I emailed Rick@OTT about it, but he replied with info about their high steer kit???:confused:

I think Scwafish said the SOS RingR setup was only a few inches longer then the stock setup, but then you have to do a 1.6 swap to do that.

I wish I knew if there is anyone out there who has done the OTT divorce kit with duals, so I could get a good length measurement.

Something else to keep in mind...

A set of sumo 6:1 gears only really represents a reduction from "high to low" of 3.45:1 (when you consider the reduction of the high range (~1.72:1)). The toy t-case gears are truly 4:1 or 4.7:1 because there's no reduction in the high range. Just something to think about.:D

Makes a single divorced toy case w/ 4.7's seem pretty good once you put the appropriate R&P's in, plus the length is reasonable.

call kerry at SOS and get a ringr! he won't make the first batch until he has like 3 definate buyers... i'm waiting and waiting and no one else is calling him to get one. :emb:

Anything that means I have to pop a good 1.3EFI out and replace means I'm not interested at this time.

don't forget the tranny and tcase gotta go too :flipoff2: but i know others ARE interested.

Originally posted by tdavis
Anything that means I have to pop a good 1.3EFI out and replace means I'm not interested at this time.

Maybe ask Kerry to work up a 1.3 adapter? I suspect Chris would be interested in this too...

r@m

is the OTT sidekick tcase thing a good way to go, i thought that would be a sweet setup with a zuki tcase right after it

Originally posted by Root Moose


Maybe ask Kerry to work up a 1.3 adapter? I suspect Chris would be interested in this too...

r@m

I'll drop him an e-mail. I really don't see the need to swap out a 1.3 if your going to gear it down really low. If you can make an adapter to put the 1.3 tranny on a 1.6, you'd think you could go the other way as well or am I missing something?

Here's one for your gear math pleasure...

OTT 'kicker gives you a 4.46:1 "stock" ratio

Add a 4.7 kit and you've got 9.2:1 in low low.

Stir in a 4.24 kit from Calmini (sorry I know not all bad words are four letters!) which will hardly over stress the toy box, or adapter (your birfs...

Well that's your problem) and you've got 19.9:1 from your t'case set up.

And the final ingredient a twin stick conversion and you are laughing!

Considering you are going to tube it in the rear and probably add a few inches to your wheel base the extra few inches of the kicker package wouldn't hurt a bit!

I don't know about you but I like the sound of it... :flipoff2:

Dave
aka Shogunator

That's a hundred ladies, so I want my official welcome to webwheelerhood!:D :flipoff2:

Dave
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Originally posted by poppycock
don't forget the tranny and tcase gotta go too :flipoff2: but i know others ARE interested.

tranny and tcase isn't so bad.. The toy tranny would give me a deeper first (3.96 vs. 3.62, I think..)

it's the motor I'm not interested in dealing with.

With the ringer adapter, it could make the driveline short enough to be usable.

Chris - from what I saw when I used the search function, the ringer (kerry's adapter) mated the toy tranmission to a 1.6 bell housing..

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I'll drop him an e-mail. I really don't see the need to swap out a 1.3 if your going to gear it down really low. If you can make an adapter to put the 1.3 tranny on a 1.6, you'd think you could go the other way as well or am I missing something?

Now this would be good! I don't have the urge to swap out the 1.3 either, but I would love to run toy cases, since I'll be going to toy axles very very soon. Let us know what Kerry says, Chris. :D

Originally posted by dumb
That's a hundred ladies, so I want my official welcome to webwheelerhood!:D :flipoff2:

Dave
aka Shogunator

:flipoff2: Congrats!! :flipoff2:

You have to run a 1.6 because the kick bell wont fit the 1.3. No kick bell = no worky. The 1.3 bell is a unit with the tranny, so there is no way to adapt a new tranny to the 1.3 bell, its all one piece.

The overall length difference using an SOS unit is under two inches. The problem I see for a stock length rig is that the rear output is WAY up there. Not a big deal with my driveshaft, but maybe a problem with a SWB shaft. If you ran a toy hi-pinion in the back it would definitely work and your shaft clearance would be 'da bomb. The SOS does make for bitching clearance under the rig though, as the front output is also clocked up a few degrees. Everything is well above the bottom of my frame. It isnt however a quick install.

AZ-if you stretched your rig a bit when you tubed the ass-end you would have it beat.

I don't think the trans needs to be quite that high????????????:D

Originally posted by dumb
That's a hundred ladies, so I want my official welcome to webwheelerhood!:D :flipoff2:

Dave
aka Shogunator

thou art hereby dubbed SIR Dave, WebWheeler of the Realm.



psssst- the keys to the Princess' chastity belt are to the left, above the door mantle;)

I don't think the trans needs to be quite that high????????????

Thats because you've never got off your butt and put yours together. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: If you had you'd know you were wrong.:p

If you drop the output your tilting the the motor down in the back. If you tilt the motor at all, the distributor will interfere with the firewall on a 16v. I tried a variety of angles before I set it where it is now. There is very little distibutor clearance the way mine is setup, any lower and it could hit when everything gets twisted.

You might be able to drop the output a bit with an 8v, but not enough to eliminate the problem completely.

Chris if you dont plain on doing the swap before you come to Moab you might want to check out the set up I have with the automatic and how well it works with 4:56 ring and pinion and a 4:1 case running 37's

Just a thought.

i don't see a big problem making an adaptor to bolt the 1.3 engine to the kick bellhousing then running the ringr to connect the bellhousing to the the toy tranny. :D i'd get my adaptor and everyone would be happy. :idea: so start bugging kerry. tell him poppy is getting anxious. :D

it would be like a backwards 1.6 engine adaptor... but for the tranny as opposed to the engine. ;)

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I'll drop him an e-mail. I really don't see the need to swap out a 1.3 if your going to gear it down really low. If you can make an adapter to put the 1.3 tranny on a 1.6, you'd think you could go the other way as well or am I missing something?

Hey Chris, You need to come and check out this 1.6 Kick to Dual Yota t-case's Rob makes.....

if you used a 1.3 to 1.6 adaptor flipped....it would work. Maybe we can get him to make more of them.

Originally posted by zukstur
Chris if you dont plain on doing the swap before you come to Moab you might want to check out the set up I have with the automatic and how well it works with 4:56 ring and pinion and a 4:1 case running 37's

Just a thought.

I'll check out your setup, an auto tranny has some appeal. I borrowed a 6:1 t-case until Dave gets some more in, that and a auto tranny plus 5.29's might do the trick.....

well shut my mouth :flipoff2: :D

Dave when does it look like you will be getting your next order of sumo's in?

Originally posted by zukstur
Dave when does it look like you will be getting your next order of sumo's in?

Rick,

I am going to go pick up the next 2 batches....(in a week or so).......the first ones are left over from the last batch....there are 10 of them, they are sold.....

then in mid May, I'll be going back over to pick up 15 more....of those 3 are sold......

so we'll have 12 or so......"at wholesale price".......first come first served! We want to get as many over here before the write-up in 4 Wheel Drive & Sport Utility comes out......

Then try to get Rob going on Kick Gears (6.1's) and a few others...

Dave which batch is my order in?

Dammit Dave, don't be selling my gears before they get here. I'll come on over and drop you off a deposit or something (gotta pick up an axle and birfield anyways).

Originally posted by zukstur
Dave which batch is my order in?

Rick....I will have to check to make sure.....

email me off list if you please

daveaz@asianautopartsofaz.com

Thanks Danger,

Thanks Uzi,

You guys may want to give the princess a little time before your next visit, she's a little worn out! :bender: -> :eek: -> :D -> :smokin: -> :zzz:

dave
aka Shogunator
:flipoff2:

Okay - I just got off the phone with Klune & here's the reason why they have temporarily pulled the Samurai kit from the market:

It is because they have had too many calls from people who do not understand the instructions. Yeah, sounds lame, huh? Well apparently they have been getting a lot of calls & want to re-write the manual on them.

The biggest problem I had with the instructions was the Crummy job they did photocopying pictures into the manual. For that kind of money they should have been in color.

Sounds like they need a communications person to help them out. :D I've got the qualifications, knowledge and ability if they want to give me a Klune for motivation!

Hey if you don't try you'll never know right?:D

Dave
aka Shogunator

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
Okay - I just got off the phone with Klune & here's the reason why they have temporarily pulled the Samurai kit from the market:

It is because they have had too many calls from people who do not understand the instructions. Yeah, sounds lame, huh? Well apparently they have been getting a lot of calls & want to re-write the manual on them.

The biggest problem I had with the instructions was the Crummy job they did photocopying pictures into the manual. For that kind of money they should have been in color.

any word on how long this is supposed to take?

I'd pay for one now, with the crummy manual. :D (ok, so in a few weeks..)

This kinda sounds like what happened with the Keltec diesel kit. So many people flooded the office with technical calls, that the 'service' part of the business became too much to bear - the product wasn't proffitable due to how much customer support required.:(

The Real issue with Klune is that they aren't familiar with the Samurai enough to cover the various differences in year models & other nuances of the truck. So people call them all pissed off because their Klune didn't "bolt-in" and so on & so on.
Maybe they should Screen their potential buyers :D

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
This kinda sounds like what happened with the Keltec diesel kit. So many people flooded the office with technical calls, that the 'service' part of the business became too much to bear - the product wasn't proffitable due to how much customer support required.:(

The Real issue with Klune is that they aren't familiar with the Samurai enough to cover the various differences in year models & other nuances of the truck. So people call them all pissed off because their Klune didn't "bolt-in" and so on & so on.
Maybe they should Screen their potential buyers :D

Yep, I've also heard that this is one of the reasons why it is taking so long for Petroworks to get their VW swap kit out. They want to nail the installation stuff with the first try so that they don't get deluged with tech support stuff. The VW swap is pretty involved for the bolt in crowd, relatively speaking.

r@m

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
This kinda sounds like what happened with the Keltec diesel kit. So many people flooded the office with technical calls, that the 'service' part of the business became too much to bear - the product wasn't proffitable due to how much customer support required.:(

The Real issue with Klune is that they aren't familiar with the Samurai enough to cover the various differences in year models & other nuances of the truck. So people call them all pissed off because their Klune didn't "bolt-in" and so on & so on.
Maybe they should Screen their potential buyers :D

What differences were there that would affect the Klune mounting? Was the flange size bigger on the input side of the t-case on later years? That's the only difference I can think of.