Ouch. I thought 392 parts weren't much more than 345...

Just ordered a $700 pile of parts from Northern. :eek:

FWIW, when I built my 345 the high zoot pistons (H997CP30) were $20 each.

I expected 392 slugs to be a little more... but not $39.66 each kind of more. H996CP60

$320 in pistons... maybe I shoulda just used the good used .030 pistons I have sitting here? :D

Moly re-ring kit is $183.76, timing gears went down from $40 to $31.94 this time.

$27.49 for the cam bearings..
Got some sorta-related goodies while I was on the phone.. tach, vac. gauge, air cleaner riser (for the racer), new coil to go with the new motor, and a cheap set of impact sockets for the "rally toolbox"..

The goods ship Tuesday. :D

Still need to order the headers, cam/lifters/springs, oil pump kit, new rod bolts n' head bolts, the 3-gauge cluster, the air/fuel gauge, and 12" clutch..

It's not going to be ready by RMIHR though, so no big rush.. take my time and get it right on the first try this time. :D

Oh yes it cost allot o money to open up an IH motor especially the 39turd:D

Originally posted by cornfedred
Oh yes it cost allot o money to open up an IH motor especially the 39turd:D

Oh, I'm familiar.. :D better n' $2k into the 345 I built for my Scout 2 years ago.

Double that for the 304 in the racer...

This 392 should come in over $2500 with the headers, clutch, etc..

But.. I'll know it's good, and I'll be ready for that double rig trailer. :D

Put the winch and 60 off a little longer.. it's race season and the tow rig needs attention.

Priorities, y'know. :D

Hoping the 345 survives the summer and cleans up well. If it doesn't the IC392 comes out of the Travelall on loan. :D

I'm just not into smoking a motor 800 miles from home.. BTDT. At least I made it to Denver, instead of being stuck somewhere in Wyoming..

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Oh, I'm familiar.. :D better n' $2k into the 345 I built for my Scout 2 years ago.

Double that for the 304 in the racer...



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Note to self… do not challenge/race the one they call “tsm1mt”:D

Originally posted by cornfedred


:eek: :eek: :eek:

Note to self? do not challenge/race the one they call ?tsm1mt?:D

It's *just* a 304... and a tractor motor at that. :D

Wolf in sheep's clothing.

Always fun to put the smack down on a CJ with a 350..

Gryphin Racing (http://www.gryphinracing.com) had the motor for 9 months while Comer worked his magic.

I'm still in need of a 4bbl intake for the 304. The 500cfm 2bbl Holley runs out of poop a little before 5500rpm and it's hurting my 100 yard times. :D

I'm looking forward to the Chassis Dyno at RMIHR this year.. I have the estimates, but it'll be interesting to see what the real figures are.

FWIW, the 304 should post better numbers than the 345 I built for my trail rig.. and I don't think the 304 will be too far behind the 392 I'm building for the 200.

Of course, the 345/392 will both run on 85-octane pump gas. :D

VERY fun motor. Come out to RMIHR and you can go for a ride.

And for those closer to here.. I'll be in Powell, WY over Memorial Day playing..

Originally posted by tsm1mt


I'm still in need of a 4bbl intake for the 304. The 500cfm 2bbl Holley runs out of poop a little before 5500rpm and it's hurting my 100 yard times. :D






what about the Holey FI it's like 620 CFM (I think) or is that still not enugh

Originally posted by Chief Yelling Alot





what about the Holey FI it's like 620 CFM (I think) or is that still not enugh

I have a ProJection sitting around that doesn't seem to work.. that's another story.

But I can't run FI on the racer. It moves me out of "Sportsman" , skips over "Competition Modified" and moves me right into "X-Class" also known as the "Blowers & Nitrous" class.

Now, I intend to run NOS.. but I don't even dream that I'll be competitive in that class. Full on drag rails live in X-Class. :D

If it wasn't for rule restrictions, the 670cfm ProJection would be a good choice.

Instead, I'm just going to keep working on a 4bbl intake - either a complete modified "GUS" unit, a slotted 2bbl intake for more flow, or a full aluminum sheetmetal intake. :D :D

Hasn't been a priority tho'.. first priority is to put the spindles and hubs back on and replace the t'case and broken transfer case adapter. :D

Originally posted by tsm1mt


If it doesn't the IC392 comes out of the Travelall on loan. :D



Tom, throw half a 392 int BUGM, an I'll take it!
196 for the scout, and i just found a 401/four speed donor for the powertrain......

Originally posted by The Mick


Tom, throw half a 392 int BUGM, an I'll take it!
196 for the scout, and i just found a 401/four speed donor for the powertrain......

Cool on the powertrain score.

I might have another taker for BUGM though.. seems someone offered Rich cash for his only running/driving Scout (only got one run out of it..).. GONE.

Now he's thinking he needs a fullsize to wheel with his 3 kids n' wife..

Dunno just what'll happen. Mostly it depends on what shape the 150 is in and how much work to make it a driver.

No matter what though, the Travelall won't be leaving with a 392 in it. :D Rich might have to pull the 304 out of the yellow parts rig, or the SR-2, and put it in if I sell it to him.

The IC392 will also go nicely into the new pickup.. 392 in my 200, 392 in the 150.. would be nice.. along with another 392 on a pallet still. :D

Did you call him about the radiator yet?

Hey I was going to buy these and sell them. why don't you get them and save a ton of dough.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1817623313&r=0&t=0

BTW I go by Rouge Rover on Ebay so don't bump me out if you show up late!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by tsm1mt

The 500cfm 2bbl Holley runs out of poop a little before 5500rpm and it's hurting my 100 yard times. :D



Why not run a Holley 675CFM 2bbl???

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/FMS/Carb_pics/f0-80585.jpg

Originally posted by Old Scout
Hey I was going to buy these and sell them. why don't you get them and save a ton of dough.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1817623313&r=0&t=0

BTW I go by Rouge Rover on Ebay so don't bump me out if you show up late!:flipoff2:

:D

Those were the contours.. I've I'm building an IC392, I don't think they'll do me much good. :D

I have a set of good-used .030 392 pistons, flat-tops, sitting here, but when I thought new pistons were $20 I figured, "Why?".. plus they're only .030, while the ones I ordered are .060.

The engine donor has been sitting with the heads off and water in the bores for quite some time.. hopefully it'll clean up by .060.. if not, I'll grab another block from the junkyard.

Originally posted by Old Scout


Why not run a Holley 675CFM 2bbl???

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/FMS/Carb_pics/f0-80585.jpg

Hmm.. I wasn't aware they made a 675cfm 2bbl! Just the 500cfm and the b*stard 600cfm everyone told me to stay away from.

But a decent 675? That might be worth looking into.

It really does need a 4bbl.. but 4bbl 304 intakes don't seem to be dropping from the sky (that would be dangerous anyhow).

FAWK.

Just checked Summit...

It's a Model 2250 2bbl Dominator, only 525cfm..

And ONLY $708.95!!!

I bet I could hire someone to build me a sheetmetal intake for less..

For that money, I'd go ProJection and stop drag racing and just stick to the obstacles. :D

-Tom

Tom,

What the hell do ya want with the Hypertectic pistions. I used em once and no more. I run only the Badger pistons. They are the only ones with the factory style cast iron insert for the top ring grove. Much better piston in my mind and the cost is way cheaper.

Fleckster

Originally posted by tsm1mt




FAWK.

Just checked Summit...

It's a Model 2250 2bbl Dominator, only 525cfm..

And ONLY $708.95!!!



-Tom
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http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/FMS/FMSC/0-80600.html

Speed cost money, How fast do you want to go?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Old Scout

:confused: :confused: :confused:
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/FMS/FMSC/0-80600.html

Speed cost money, How fast do you want to go?:flipoff2:

The # on the image you posted came up as the 525cfm Dominator 2bbl.

The 0-80600 part number *DID* come back as a 675cfm 2bbl Dominator.

At least this one is only $1,158.95

I want to go FAST, but not $1000+ carb kind of fast.

I was thinking more along the lines of $200 carb, $500 Nitrous system, and $300 left over to have someone machine me an intake.

Much faster and more CFM than a $1158.95 2bbl!

Great idea, OldScout, but very much out of my league. The rules don't say I have to run a 2bbl intake, or even a factory intake.

Dang, you just made $400 for a used GUS modified 4bbl intake sound cheap.. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by The Fleckster
Tom,

What the hell do ya want with the Hypertectic pistions. I used em once and no more. I run only the Badger pistons. They are the only ones with the factory style cast iron insert for the top ring grove. Much better piston in my mind and the cost is way cheaper.

Fleckster

I've had good luck thus far with the Federal Mogul pistons - and they came recommended by Comer. :D

Both my 345 and the "hi-po" 304 run the FM Hypereutectic teflon skirted slugs.

Only failure I've seen thus far was a nitrous sneeze on the SBC in Banshee that powdered the pistons.

Maybe when it gets time to freshen up the 304 I'll pony up for some custom forgings. :D

Maybe I'll go more than 10.25:1 then..

Not saying that the FM pistons are bad, just that they dont have the cast iron ring insert at the top of the piston. I mean the whole reasons we like the longevity of an IH motor is its parts. One of the keys to the longevity is that insert that keeps the top ring fromk chattering back and forth eventually wearing out that top groove and causing premature cyclinder wear. Think about it tom in a racer that will be rebuilt several times...yea fine, but a motor you are building for a long term purpose...wouldnt it make sense to stick with one of the BEST International designes ever:D

BTW the way you break Dana 20s, i am thinking of stockpiling them so when the price goes up due to scarcity i have some:flipoff2:

Fleckster

Originally posted by The Fleckster
bad, just that they dont have the cast iron ring insert at the top of the piston. I mean the whole reasons we


True, but isn't the hypereutectic alloy stronger overall? The ring lands may be a little weaker, but the whole piston should be stronger.

How much nitrous would you be comfortable using with a cast aluminum piston? :D


Think about it tom in a racer that will be rebuilt several times...yea fine, but a motor you are building for a long term purpose...wouldnt it make sense to stick with one of the BEST International designes ever:D


True. :D OTOH, I want the truck motor to last a long time.. but I don't see it being subjected to a lot of use.

It's a hauler. I envision it sitting at home most of the time with the trailer hooked up, doing nothing. :D

I bet 6,000 miles a year would be a good estimate.

Just like I've mentioned at other times I'm not too worried about low-end grunt.. I have a granny gear to pull from a dead stop.. after that, I really only care about performance at 3000rpm (OK, 1500-4500) until I burn through another 30 gal of fuel. :D


BTW the way you break Dana 20s, i am thinking of stockpiling them so when the price goes up due to scarcity i have some:flipoff2:


Hey. I'm "out" now. I had to buy one to put the racer back together. ;)

Maybe I'll look into the Jeep tailhousing so I can run some Jeep 300s.. but that would make the drags really difficult.. 4.88s + 2.72 low would be too low.. but I like the 4.88s in high-range for obstacle/baja racing.

Maybe AA will start making a 2:1 Atlas? ;-)