Anything special? Do they bolt right up?

what's it for?

I have an R380 from a D90 ~70K miles good condition.......
Might want a good ZF..........

I was going to say

"It takes $$ and anything will fit"

I'm trying to decide if the R380 is similar to the Series transmission bell housing bolt-pattern.

I'm ultimately trying to figure out what the bolt pattern on a MBZ 300SD 5-cyl diesel motor is, and if it'll bolt up to the ZF transmission.

Short of that, what type of adapter could be used to make it work.

*then*

I have to decide if the oil-pan issues on the MBZ engine can be dealt with clearing the front axle.

This is part of the headwork needed to decide if I want to put this engine into my LWB.

Thoughts?

I was going to say

It take $$ and anything will fit

Yeah...I *KNOW* that. :shaking:

I just went through ALL of the pages on your site, and can tell that you are a firm believer of that statement. :p

I'm trying to decide if the R380 is similar to the Series transmission bell housing bolt-pattern.

I'm ultimately trying to figure out what the bolt pattern on a MBZ 300SD 5-cyl diesel motor is, and if it'll bolt up to the ZF transmission.

Short of that, what type of adapter could be used to make it work.

*then*

I have to decide if the oil-pan issues on the MBZ engine can be dealt with clearing the front axle.

This is part of the headwork needed to decide if I want to put this engine into my LWB.

Thoughts?

I don't know about the similarity of bolt patterns but there are some folks that have put the 300sd into Series trucks. So the oil pan issues have been addressed. Now to try and figure out where I saw it.
PM mercedesrover and have him look at this thread.

I just went through ALL of the pages on your site, and can tell that you are a firm believer of that statement. :p

Dude, that wasn't money it was a sawzall.

PM mercedesrover and have him look at this thread.

...way ahead of you there. :D

PM mercedesrover and have him look at this thread.

That guy's a dick! :flipoff2:

If an R380 will accept the same pattern as a ZF you’ll be in business.
Guys have bolted a R380 to my adapters without trouble. You'll just need to figure out the Benz flywheel to ZF torque converter.

I was thinking after I talked to you Mike…If you want to measure from the front edge of the bellhousing to pinion flange on the front diff I can tell you if there’s enough room for the 3.0L in there. I know it’s next to impossible in a Series truck but I’m sure your Rangie is longer.

I'm trying to decide if the R380 is similar to the Series transmission bell housing bolt-pattern.

I'm ultimately trying to figure out what the bolt pattern on a MBZ 300SD 5-cyl diesel motor is, and if it'll bolt up to the ZF transmission.

Short of that, what type of adapter could be used to make it work.

*then*

I have to decide if the oil-pan issues on the MBZ engine can be dealt with clearing the front axle.

This is part of the headwork needed to decide if I want to put this engine into my LWB.

Thoughts?

I'm sort of in the same area of thought as you. I wondered about the ZF fitting, but without finding a good 300D engine I haven't made any progress.......of coarse been busy with other projects too.
Do you have the Mercedes engine yet?

Getting the whole vehicle on Saturday I think. It runs strong, but is gutted.

Looky what I found... (http://www.landroversonly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1876)

:flipoff2:

I talked to that guy a year ago. That engine is sitting in there but it’s never been finished. Seems the guy in Calgary trying to do it is having a clearance problem between the front diff and the oil pan. Big surprise.

Like I’ve said before, I’ve heard rumors of the 3.0 in a Series truck…Just never seen one up and running.

That's funny. I just sent him an e-mail asking if he had any advice about the front axle and oil pan clearance.

We'll see if he responds.

Looks pretty good sitting in there though, dunnit?

I was talking to him a year or so ago and I emailed him again about 8 months ago to see how it was going. Never heard back.

Don't think it's going so well......

you too, eh? i told my wife we were going to burn the LWB to the ground or ... maybe we could consider dropping in a good diesel and be done with it.


I'm trying to decide if the R380 is similar to the Series transmission bell housing bolt-pattern.

I'm ultimately trying to figure out what the bolt pattern on a MBZ 300SD 5-cyl diesel motor is, and if it'll bolt up to the ZF transmission.

Short of that, what type of adapter could be used to make it work.

*then*

I have to decide if the oil-pan issues on the MBZ engine can be dealt with clearing the front axle.

This is part of the headwork needed to decide if I want to put this engine into my LWB.

Thoughts?

Yeah, what diesel were you thinking about?

It might be better to use the MB transmission and adapt it to the LT230. I have been toying with the idea of using a BMW 2.4 diesel which was offered in the states in BMW and some Lincolns in the '80s. It was mated to a ZF-HP22. It would be pretty much a mater of using stock parts to mate the ZF to a LT230

LOL... WOW Mike, you dont waste any time :flipoff2:

Yeah, now we'll see if that Marc guy has any time on Saturday. :D

Yeah, what diesel were you thinking about?

Where have you been :D

Searover is thinking GMC 6.2 :laughing:

Oh, I was hoping he was thinking of something more practical. :D

Oh, I was hoping he was thinking of something more practical. :D

i'll be following both of these as they are the two directions i am thinking of for the disco as i really don' wanna put together the '85 3.9 bottom end with my heads and questionable front cover/oil pump..

so..hurry up Mike and get us some tech!
We have a 300td lined up to put in JoE's LWB already...but the car runs so well, he is tempted to keep it! as soon as someone else does it, we will probably jump right in and follow...maybe do one of each in the end?

Now seriously Mike for the clearance issue for the pan, i had always assumed you could do the usual engine conv deal and cut/weld it to a shape that works, unless there are actual parts inside at that point? how about the dreaded 2" body lift? :D it'd give you a bit more clearance...and to tell the truth your body is already sagged an inch anyway since new, so it'll be a good thing?...maybe?



Paul

how about the dreaded 2" body lift? :D it'd give you a bit more clearance...

Body lift will do nothing for you unless you raise the engine and tranny along with it. The problem is the clearance between the right front corner of the oil pan and the banjo part of the diff housing. And yes, there's a big ol' oil pump inside that front drop pan.

If someone wants to measure the distance between the front edge of the tranny to the pinion flange on the front diff I can give you an idea if it'll fit. It's just not happy on a leafer but there may be the room in a coil truck.

But guys, keep in mind....This is a 125hp engine in the turbo edition. 140 tops if you tweek it a bit and add an intercooler. If you're contimplating this swap, make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.

Body lift will do nothing for you unless you raise the engine and tranny along with it. The problem is the clearance between the right front corner of the oil pan and the banjo part of the diff housing. And yes, there's a big ol' oil pump inside that front drop pan.

If someone wants to measure the distance between the front edge of the tranny to the pinion flange on the front diff I can give you an idea if it'll fit. It's just not happy on a leafer but there may be the room in a coil truck.

But guys, keep in mind....This is a 125hp engine in the turbo edition. 140 tops if you tweek it a bit and add an intercooler. If you're contimplating this swap, make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.

Damn! I'm an idiot! must be from not eating yet today? :laughing:

maybe we'll stick with the 6.2 idead than? hmm!
Mikey? what are you agonna do? i know it's the torque not teh hp tht really does what we need, but...hmm! the mercedes is a heave ar too, so may compare to the rovers weight, is it not an issue??

I'll crawl under the LWB tomorrow and do some measuring.

For me the 'right' reason would be an alt-fuel powerplant that would be adequate for the truck.

It's not a wheeler really, not a heavy tower (the trailer occasionally), but really just a town cruiser and a mild trail rig.

I just got off the phone with a certain Matthew Jackson of BCB fame. We talked for a long time about the potential Mercedes conversion. In his opinion it's not a worthwhile conversion, mainly for the reasons that have already been given (power, oil pump, adapter, etc...).

He suggests finding a 3.0 liter BMW diesel/transmission combo from Europe. The ZF from Europe should bolt up to the LT-230 w/out any issues. The USA version's transmission is the same as the later model RR apparently (which doesn't help me).

So...I think I'll still end up with the Mercedes, do some measuring/fiddling and see what I think.

But, I'll also start putting out some feelers on the other side of the pond to see what comes up.

i'm thinking 2.8TGV for the LWB. it'll be a year or so before I can contemplate a conversion on it of any kind; hopefully my cash position improves a bit. i was seriously considering replacing the LWB with a new car. a 2.8 conversion is still a lot cheaper! and a diesel LWB would be a nice ride, i must admit.

the trail rig is still slated to get the GM 6.2 na diesel and an Sm465 4sp. We'll see how this one goes.

maybe we'll stick with the 6.2 idead than?


I have been talking to a guy from CA that has a 92 gas powered vehicle. He did a 6.2 diesel swap. He said since he did a diesel swap engine year didn't matter. He reregistered the vehicle with CA DMV as a deisel. Had to have someone verify that it was a diesel engine and he is done. Never needs to go to a smag station

Never needs to go to a smag station

Smag = ????

:flipoff2:

Lemme go measure the LWB...

I have been talking to a guy from CA that has a 92 gas powered vehicle. He did a 6.2 diesel swap. He said since he did a diesel swap engine year didn't matter. He reregistered the vehicle with CA DMV as a deisel. Had to have someone verify that it was a diesel engine and he is done. Never needs to go to a smag station

Pete! please could youy pm or email me this info? i really want to be able to fully legally do that...for now the disco is up in N Cali...where there is o smog rules...so technically it could be done that way, i think..but if we can find a easy legal way for this we have been trying to find a way to do so with JoE's vanagon Syncro...he wants a tdi in it(vw..not rover..duh!)

we have ben told by many people that it really depends on a lot of things..like you couldn't use an older engine etc...is he? I keep hearing the idea of using the pugeot deisel in a rangie as they did in europe..but it's an old engine so waaay older than a 93 lwb...

Paul

Not shure what this thread is about, really, but if it's any use i have a friend working on a oneten in my barn installing a merc 300 5cyl with whatever 4spd aut came with it in an old shit brown E-sedan.
His plan is to retain the flex coupling at the rear of the merc auto, make a cradle to mate the output housing of the original LT77 fixed to the LT230.
Utins the input shaft of the LT77, with the drive member from the Merc drive shaft welded onto it as input shaft, floating in the LT230.
The cradle keeping the auto and LT230 together keeps everything mated up, more or less. Adding a bearing in the output housing of the LT77 holds the LT77 input shaft more or less steady, supported by the splines in the LT230 input shaft at the other end.
The flexicoupling is supposed to take care of misalignment.

Booty fab at it's finest? :flipoff2:

At the moment the engine compartment is empty.

Accoridng to measurements (by him) it should clear the front axle, but I'm not convinced. What I've heard of others (quite ocmmon ocnverison here in Sweden) you need to extend the bump stops about 2".
Future will tell. Probably see some progress this weekend.

T

This thread is about exactly what you think it's about.

Let's see some pics from your friends MB installation, and maybe some more information about how he's going to get the trans/t-case to hold together.

His plan is to retain the flex coupling at the rear of the merc auto, make a cradle to mate the output housing of the original LT77 fixed to the LT230.
Utins the input shaft of the LT77, with the drive member from the Merc drive shaft welded onto it as input shaft, floating in the LT230.
The cradle keeping the auto and LT230 together keeps everything mated up, more or less. Adding a bearing in the output housing of the LT77 holds the LT77 input shaft more or less steady, supported by the splines in the LT230 input shaft at the other end.

The flexicoupling is supposed to take care of misalignment.



My head hurts...

Accoridng to measurements (by him) it should clear the front axle, but I'm not convinced. What I've heard of others (quite ocmmon ocnverison here in Sweden) you need to extend the bump stops about 2".

Articulation? We don't need no stinkin' articulation!

My head hurts...

Here...have a beer.

http://tawayama.com/D2x/pintofguinness.jpg

Brilliant!