my real question is should i buy (and carry with me) 1 or 2 full floater rear axle spares, my left and right are both the same length so i only really need one, BUT i'm thinking that if one goes, the Detroit might break the other also........anyone experience this? just wanting to save a couple $'s (i would really like to get a set of alloy 30-spline some time, but ain't broke the stock ones yet)

i also carry spare front and rear driveshafts, and front inner/outer (only have for one side:() front axle shafts......and some little stuff.

Good question! :D

I carry spare Birfields (of course :rolleyes: ) spare panhard bar for the front, rad hose, serp belt and lots of tools etc.

I can't count how many times myself or some one else has lost a bolt or something and I'm the only one who has a spare.

I don't carry spare rear axles cause I havn't heard of too many toy rears breaking.

I also have a spare rear driveshaft that I can grab for really tough trails or long journeys.

"spare trail parts, what do you carry?"



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if your axles are the same length, I wouldn't see a need to carry 2

"spare trail parts, what do you carry?"


:beer: and birfields:D

Rear axle, and driveshaft/ujoints/ u-bolts/, both ft. axles, slugs or lockouts, 2 hiem joints, 1 suspension link, 1 hiem for the coilovers, fuel pump, belts, 2 ball joints, valve cores, cap/rotor/module...tools, tape, wire, tire repair, silicon, oils, machette, glock .40...

spare clothes, tent, coffee pot

to my knowlege, youe axles are not the same size.
there is a small difrense between them.
other than that - i carry a full line of spares, from starter to fuel pump, a set of computer sending units, distributur, rotor, and u goints.
laredo:smokin:

NOTHING

Very little actually. I firmly believe a LOT of the breakage you see out on the trail could have been eliminated, or prevented in the shop. And since I would rather work in my truck in the comfort of my shop than on the trail, I kept the maint. up and had FAR less failures on the trail.

Never the right part :D . Front shafts, Duct tape ( big ass roll), wire, nuts and bolts, tools. I used to carry a ton o crap, but never used it except front shafts. Get creative, if you can't fix it, get a ride.

I carry spare electrical parts , front 44 shafts , u- joints for dshafts , 2 sets of lockouts , bailing wire , duct tape , big ass zipties and plenty of nuts and bolts and tools respectively . Also
have a hi- lift , four way w/ one side cut off for easier storage ,and
a small shovel . Most important , a good first - aid kit !:flipoff2:

Originally posted by zags
"spare trail parts, what do you carry?"


:beer: and birfields:D

Amen, one short and one long

Originally posted by zags
"spare trail parts, what do you carry?"


:beer: and birfields:D

That and those little "C" clips. :)

Gasp, I actually agree with DRM :eek: that it is far nicer to wrench on a vehicle in the shop, than on the trail.

Shoes laces work fine for the water pump to crank pulley. At least I can DRIVE out without PS & an Alternator... just keep that water pump turning. :)

Tom :usa:

Section 1 (spare parts and tools).
A - Tools
Sockets and spanners (open and ring) to fit the nuts on your vehicle. You don't need a full set of
metric and A/F spanners.
Spark plug spanner for petrol engines. *
Electrical repair kit (test light, wire, an assortment of wire terminals and wire terminal
pliers.) *
Bailing wire *
Latex gloves ( these are great if you have to mess with a greasy U-joint and don''t have a
good way to clean your hands along the trail. ) *
A pint of brake fluid *
Any special tools that are vehicle specific. *
Any parts that seem to break often on your specific vehicle *
Flashlight with extra batteries *
Roll of paper shop towels *
Winch kit with tree saver, snatch block, clevis etc. ( if you have a winch ) *
Adjustable spanners - small and large. *
Locking wrench *
Combination pliers. *
Long nose pliers *
Set of screw drivers - flat and Phillip's head. *
Small hammer. *
Cold chisel. *
Rivet gun and selection of rivets. *
Hacksaw *
Crimping tool and assorted connectors *
Soldering Iron (Butane) and solder. *
G clamp *
Filter wrench *
Jack and base board (40 cm square for use in soft sand) (hi-lift) *
Wheel brace *
Air compressor & small Tire pump *
B - Spare Parts
Full set of alternator, air conditioning and power steering belts. *
Radiator hoses- top and bottom (+ worm drive clamps to fit) *
Length of fuel pipe. Not needed (metal. lines)
Length of heater hose *
Assorted fuses to fit your vehicle - check manual or fuse box to see requirements *
Fuel filter ( inc. In-line filter if twin tanks) *
Oil filter. *
Wheel nuts and studs. *
Spare tire + 2 heavy duty tubes. *
Puncture repair kit and tire levers, valve tool, valve caps. *
Spare valve stems if tubeless tires *
Bead breaker. N/A (hilift jack)
Light globes. *
Set of points, spark plugs and ignition coil for petrol engines. *
Distributor cap- petrol. *
Gasket goo. *
WD40 spray. *
Waterless Hand cleaner and rags. *
Wheel bearings and seals. (In sealed bag) *
Assorted nuts, bolts and screws. *
Loctite, SuperGlue and silicon gel *
Radiator stop leak *
Muffler bandage *
Engine oil, auto tranny fluid . *
Plastic emergency windscreen *
Two spare ignition keys kept on person!
Work shop manual. *
2 - Recovery Equipment
A good shovel - long handled makes life easier. *
9 meter snatch strap - from reputable supplier (Opposite Lock, A.R.B., O.R.E.) *
D or Bow shackles- These MUST be rated by D.O.I. to at least 3.5 tons *
Tow points front and rear. *
Axe *
Winches, Hi-lift jacks and related equipment are useful. One member of the convoy should
be so equipped. *
Radio - UHF CB (AM/SSB second option) for short distance communication only. H.F. radio
should be carried by one convoy member. *
Fire extinguisher- an absolute must. *
Good torch *
Jump leads - good quality. *
Overalls and gloves. *
Syphon hosing for water. *
Tie downs *
3 - Camping Equipment.
A - Accommodation.
Sleeping bags- rated for the area to be traveled (we find -2C to be suitable for most areas).We
pack all sleeping bags in a kit bag for ease of loading.
Small tent or swag. (Big tents take a long time to erect and pack up. Fine if staying in one place
for several nights - but a nuisance if moving regularly.) Quality is of importance. The tent must
be waterproof!! Good to have one for the kids - and one for yourselves.
Pillows - small down pillows are available. They save space and pack in with the sleeping bags.
Chamois towels dry easily and take up minimal space. Carry one big towel for swimming.
Mosquito net
Spare blanket if you feel the cold. *
Small chairs - with strength.
Tarpaulin and two tent poles - (with ropes and pegs) makes a sun shade for lunch breaks,
repairs etc.
Table if you need one.
Lighting - Recharge lanterns are preferable.
Mozzie coils.
B - Cooking.
Gas stove and cylinder - some areas ban open fires.
Billy cans and kettle
bar-b-q plate
Camp-oven
Oven glove.
Cooking irons - tongs, barbiemate, fork etc
Fry-pan
Plates. Bowls, cups etc.
Chopping board and knife
Mixing bowl.
Sieve
Washing up bowl - Our crockery container doubles as a wash bowl.
Cigarette lighter and lighter fuel -- you can start a fire easier. *
Matches *
Fire lighters. *
Washing up liquid and sponge.
Tea towels.
Soda bicarbonate- to clean burnt pans.
Alfoil
Gladwrap
Heavy duty rubbish bags and a few carry bags. The latter make good
over-night rubbish bins. *
Clothes line, pegs. Washing powder.
Food - Remember interstate quarantine regulations affecting fruit, vegies and fruit boxes. As
required. Remember tins are heavy. Desiccated food requires water. Frozen meals require a
fridge. Vacuum packed meat can be arranged via a good butcher. Always carry 2 days spare
food and water. If in trouble help can take a long time coming. We find it helps to pack
breakfast items together and evening meal items together. It saves rummaging through boxes
in the dark. Square containers pack easier than round. Items like flour are best put in 'decor'
type containers. They are less likely to burst!! Glass is heavy and fragile, try packing sauces
etc. in plastic bottles.
A.R.B. do folding plastic crates, they work well but don't settle for the lighter imitations -
they break.
Water container 20l. to fetch and purify water. *
4 -- Other Items
A - Survival.
The R.F.D.S. produce an excellent booklet on survival in the Outback. It is available from good
camping stores and the Perth Map Center on Hay Street.
We all carry a small survival kit comprising:- (1 per passenger)
1. pocket knife *
2. compass *
3. whistle *
4. 2 Micropur tablets *
5. band aids *
6. water bottle *
7. space blanket. *
Carry 20 liters of water in the vehicle for emergency use. *
Carry a good first aid kit (St. John's style) and a book on how to use it. Read the book before you
travel. *
B - Traveling with children.
Every child is unique and what works for one child will not automatically work for another.
These methods have worked for our kids since the eldest was 9 (he is now 16.)
Many of our trips involve a long drive for two or more days - the distances can be up to 1200kms
in a day and have on three occasions been over 2000kms.
· Each child has a day bag filled with small, quiet past-times e.g. crayons, cards, squish-
balls and books. They pack this themselves and keep it by them on the journey.
· We record music onto blank cassettes and this is done from C.D.'s on random play. The
choice of music is wide and the cassettes are labeled "holiday-1" etc. This initially means
the pieces played are not predictable. By the end of the trip the tapes need re-recording!
The kids choose the tapes as we travel.
· Leave early in the morning. The worst part of most journeys out of Perth is the first three
hours. We leave about 0500hrs and plan to have breakfast at a truck stop. Most kids sleep
this part of the journey. We consider this the start of the holiday. Wubin heading North or
Southern Cross heading East are favorites. We hit the interesting part of the drive shortly
after this break and the sun comes out.
· Rotate seating positions, this means each child can sit in the front seat and see. The C.B.
Radio means we can talk to other vehicles on the road. The friendly banter can break up
a journey well. If using the "road-channel-no.8" ,switch channels after making contact.
The trucks use no.8 as a safety channel and don't appreciate it being blocked by general
chit-chat.
· "Game boys" are frequently used. They keep the kids quiet most of the time.
· Games such as "I spy" pass some time.
· Frequent stops to look around break the monotony of wheel noise and enable sight -
seeing.
Once off the bitumen, distances are reduced and traveling time is quite short.
Every parent has their own method but these have worked for us.
C - General Tips.
Reading the history and other information about the areas to be traveled alerts you to features
that may otherwise be missed. The local tourist offices are a mine of information and are a vast
improvement over the one in central Perth. They are more in tune with bus and air tours.
Good maps - "Street-Smart" tourist maps are a good source of information and main roads and
tracks. More detailed maps are available and essential if heading into the outback. *
Talk to other travelers, they may know of places that are not on the regular tourist routes.
Caravan parks are a good source of such intelligence.
Always leave something unseen at a good destination. It encourages you to go back.
Try and have 1 or 2 days luxury on each long journey. You appreciate the pampering and you
can get the clothes washed.
Don't pack more than you need. Dirty clothes aren't noticed in the desert, but have a good scrub
before you enter a 5* restaurant. We carry one set of smarter clothes for civilization.
D - Entertainment.
Camera.
Binoculars.
Books.
Game.
Fishing gear.
Have a good hat, good shoes, 15+ sun block, tropical `Rid' (or equivalent) and maintain a
good intake of water. Don't go to bed without having passed urine - this means that you
really are fully hydrated.
Always carry out your rubbish. If you can carry it in, there is less volume to carry out! Wash
away from water sources and remember that animals need water to live. Soap lingers for
days. Bury all toiler matter deep, and at least 20 meter from any water course.
Take nothing but memories and leave nothing but foot-prints.

i think thats more than i could fit in my jeep, but it sure is a nice list.........

as far as my axle shaft being the same lenghth, they both are 34.62", mounting flange to end of spines.....

(i have a hard time remembering my anniversary date, but know my axle length to the thousandth........Hmmm, whats with that.......):smokin:

Originally posted by DRM
Very little actually. I firmly believe a LOT of the breakage you see out on the trail could have been eliminated, or prevented in the shop. And since I would rather work in my truck in the comfort of my shop than on the trail, I kept the maint. up and had FAR less failures on the trail.

i hear ya about good shop/preventative maintenance.....(i hate to go wheeling with someone who just barely made it to the trail start without breaking down...(knock on wood) and then thinks we are going to do a tune-up or something on the trail for them......

i also wheel with a few guy that think because they don't break anything they are good drivers, but really they just always take the easy lines and never really get on the "go pedal". i think sometime's it's just more fun to kind of bully your way through that finesse around the place.

I have really pared down what I carry because I feel the more stuff you have, the more weight you have and the more breakage due to the weight.

My Cruiser is heavy enough without adding 300#'s of spare parts over the back axle.

This weight also hurt with wheel hop and bouncing. I keep most of my big stuff in my truck in the toolbox now.

I am never more than 2-3 hours from my tow rig when I am wheeling.

yeah i carry i set of wrenches a 3/8's socket set a pair of locking pliers, snap ring pliers and a spare hub. I carry a bag of bolts probably 20# worth. what ever it is i try to keep it under 50# because as long as you can get back to camp you can fix it there.

when I get the longfields, the only thing I'll carry will be tools.......:p

Originally posted by 3/4tonYJ
i think thats more than i could fit in my jeep, but it sure is a nice list.........

See, another reason why I own a scout :flipoff2: :D :flipoff2:

Actually it looks like it's for long trips. for shorter trips, take out what you won't need in a day,

Or you can be like Mandera and tow a spare vehicle behind yours. he calls his spare his racer

NQS

Originally posted by NotQuiteSane
Section 1 (spare parts and tools).
A - Tools
Sockets and spanners (open and ring) to fit the nuts on your vehicle. You don't need a full set of
metric and A/F spanners.
Spark plug spanner for petrol engines. *
Electrical repair kit (test light, wire, an assortment of wire terminals and wire terminal
pliers.) *
Bailing wire *
Latex gloves ( these are great if you have to mess with a greasy U-joint and don''t have a
good way to clean your hands along the trail. ) *
A pint of brake fluid *
Any special tools that are vehicle specific. *
Any parts that seem to break often on your specific vehicle *
Flashlight with extra batteries *
Roll of paper shop towels *
Winch kit with tree saver, snatch block, clevis etc. ( if you have a winch ) *
Adjustable spanners - small and large. *
Locking wrench *
Combination pliers. *
Long nose pliers *
Set of screw drivers - flat and Phillip's head. *
Small hammer. *
Cold chisel. *
Rivet gun and selection of rivets. *
Hacksaw *
Crimping tool and assorted connectors *
Soldering Iron (Butane) and solder. *
G clamp *
Filter wrench *
Jack and base board (40 cm square for use in soft sand) (hi-lift) *
Wheel brace *
Air compressor & small Tire pump *
B - Spare Parts
Full set of alternator, air conditioning and power steering belts. *
Radiator hoses- top and bottom (+ worm drive clamps to fit) *
Length of fuel pipe. Not needed (metal. lines)
Length of heater hose *
Assorted fuses to fit your vehicle - check manual or fuse box to see requirements *
Fuel filter ( inc. In-line filter if twin tanks) *
Oil filter. *
Wheel nuts and studs. *
Spare tire + 2 heavy duty tubes. *
Puncture repair kit and tire levers, valve tool, valve caps. *
Spare valve stems if tubeless tires *
Bead breaker. N/A (hilift jack)
Light globes. *
Set of points, spark plugs and ignition coil for petrol engines. *
Distributor cap- petrol. *
Gasket goo. *
WD40 spray. *
Waterless Hand cleaner and rags. *
Wheel bearings and seals. (In sealed bag) *
Assorted nuts, bolts and screws. *
Loctite, SuperGlue and silicon gel *
Radiator stop leak *
Muffler bandage *
Engine oil, auto tranny fluid . *
Plastic emergency windscreen *
Two spare ignition keys kept on person!
Work shop manual. *
2 - Recovery Equipment
A good shovel - long handled makes life easier. *
9 meter snatch strap - from reputable supplier (Opposite Lock, A.R.B., O.R.E.) *
D or Bow shackles- These MUST be rated by D.O.I. to at least 3.5 tons *
Tow points front and rear. *
Axe *
Winches, Hi-lift jacks and related equipment are useful. One member of the convoy should
be so equipped. *
Radio - UHF CB (AM/SSB second option) for short distance communication only. H.F. radio
should be carried by one convoy member. *
Fire extinguisher- an absolute must. *
Good torch *
Jump leads - good quality. *
Overalls and gloves. *
Syphon hosing for water. *
Tie downs *
3 - Camping Equipment.
A - Accommodation.
Sleeping bags- rated for the area to be traveled (we find -2C to be suitable for most areas).We
pack all sleeping bags in a kit bag for ease of loading.
Small tent or swag. (Big tents take a long time to erect and pack up. Fine if staying in one place
for several nights - but a nuisance if moving regularly.) Quality is of importance. The tent must
be waterproof!! Good to have one for the kids - and one for yourselves.
Pillows - small down pillows are available. They save space and pack in with the sleeping bags.
Chamois towels dry easily and take up minimal space. Carry one big towel for swimming.
Mosquito net
Spare blanket if you feel the cold. *
Small chairs - with strength.
Tarpaulin and two tent poles - (with ropes and pegs) makes a sun shade for lunch breaks,
repairs etc.
Table if you need one.
Lighting - Recharge lanterns are preferable.
Mozzie coils.
B - Cooking.
Gas stove and cylinder - some areas ban open fires.
Billy cans and kettle
bar-b-q plate
Camp-oven
Oven glove.
Cooking irons - tongs, barbiemate, fork etc
Fry-pan
Plates. Bowls, cups etc.
Chopping board and knife
Mixing bowl.
Sieve
Washing up bowl - Our crockery container doubles as a wash bowl.
Cigarette lighter and lighter fuel -- you can start a fire easier. *
Matches *
Fire lighters. *
Washing up liquid and sponge.
Tea towels.
Soda bicarbonate- to clean burnt pans.
Alfoil
Gladwrap
Heavy duty rubbish bags and a few carry bags. The latter make good
over-night rubbish bins. *
Clothes line, pegs. Washing powder.
Food - Remember interstate quarantine regulations affecting fruit, vegies and fruit boxes. As
required. Remember tins are heavy. Desiccated food requires water. Frozen meals require a
fridge. Vacuum packed meat can be arranged via a good butcher. Always carry 2 days spare
food and water. If in trouble help can take a long time coming. We find it helps to pack
breakfast items together and evening meal items together. It saves rummaging through boxes
in the dark. Square containers pack easier than round. Items like flour are best put in 'decor'
type containers. They are less likely to burst!! Glass is heavy and fragile, try packing sauces
etc. in plastic bottles.
A.R.B. do folding plastic crates, they work well but don't settle for the lighter imitations -
they break.
Water container 20l. to fetch and purify water. *
4 -- Other Items
A - Survival.
The R.F.D.S. produce an excellent booklet on survival in the Outback. It is available from good
camping stores and the Perth Map Center on Hay Street.
We all carry a small survival kit comprising:- (1 per passenger)
1. pocket knife *
2. compass *
3. whistle *
4. 2 Micropur tablets *
5. band aids *
6. water bottle *
7. space blanket. *
Carry 20 liters of water in the vehicle for emergency use. *
Carry a good first aid kit (St. John's style) and a book on how to use it. Read the book before you
travel. *
B - Traveling with children.
Every child is unique and what works for one child will not automatically work for another.
These methods have worked for our kids since the eldest was 9 (he is now 16.)
Many of our trips involve a long drive for two or more days - the distances can be up to 1200kms
in a day and have on three occasions been over 2000kms.
· Each child has a day bag filled with small, quiet past-times e.g. crayons, cards, squish-
balls and books. They pack this themselves and keep it by them on the journey.
· We record music onto blank cassettes and this is done from C.D.'s on random play. The
choice of music is wide and the cassettes are labeled "holiday-1" etc. This initially means
the pieces played are not predictable. By the end of the trip the tapes need re-recording!
The kids choose the tapes as we travel.
· Leave early in the morning. The worst part of most journeys out of Perth is the first three
hours. We leave about 0500hrs and plan to have breakfast at a truck stop. Most kids sleep
this part of the journey. We consider this the start of the holiday. Wubin heading North or
Southern Cross heading East are favorites. We hit the interesting part of the drive shortly
after this break and the sun comes out.
· Rotate seating positions, this means each child can sit in the front seat and see. The C.B.
Radio means we can talk to other vehicles on the road. The friendly banter can break up
a journey well. If using the "road-channel-no.8" ,switch channels after making contact.
The trucks use no.8 as a safety channel and don't appreciate it being blocked by general
chit-chat.
· "Game boys" are frequently used. They keep the kids quiet most of the time.
· Games such as "I spy" pass some time.
· Frequent stops to look around break the monotony of wheel noise and enable sight -
seeing.
Once off the bitumen, distances are reduced and traveling time is quite short.
Every parent has their own method but these have worked for us.
C - General Tips.
Reading the history and other information about the areas to be traveled alerts you to features
that may otherwise be missed. The local tourist offices are a mine of information and are a vast
improvement over the one in central Perth. They are more in tune with bus and air tours.
Good maps - "Street-Smart" tourist maps are a good source of information and main roads and
tracks. More detailed maps are available and essential if heading into the outback. *
Talk to other travelers, they may know of places that are not on the regular tourist routes.
Caravan parks are a good source of such intelligence.
Always leave something unseen at a good destination. It encourages you to go back.
Try and have 1 or 2 days luxury on each long journey. You appreciate the pampering and you
can get the clothes washed.
Don't pack more than you need. Dirty clothes aren't noticed in the desert, but have a good scrub
before you enter a 5* restaurant. We carry one set of smarter clothes for civilization.
D - Entertainment.
Camera.
Binoculars.
Books.
Game.
Fishing gear.
Have a good hat, good shoes, 15+ sun block, tropical `Rid' (or equivalent) and maintain a
good intake of water. Don't go to bed without having passed urine - this means that you
really are fully hydrated.
Always carry out your rubbish. If you can carry it in, there is less volume to carry out! Wash
away from water sources and remember that animals need water to live. Soap lingers for
days. Bury all toiler matter deep, and at least 20 meter from any water course.
Take nothing but memories and leave nothing but foot-prints.

You forgot the KITCHEN SINK :flipoff2:

I carry a selection of tools and whatever happens to be left in the truck, plus lots of water and rations, creativity seems to be worth more on the trail than a whole load of spare parts.

How do you carry all of that and leave nothing but bootprints!?!

You forgot the spare vehicle!

If it cant be fixed with a welder then bring a tow strap and hook onto one of your friends and get pulled out.
I bring a few tools, some nuts and bolt, a few wire connectors, some JB Weld, some hoses, belts, a fuel pump, water and oil and thats about it.

Well, after last night, I am going to carry a spare igniton module:mad: