made more progress this weekend

[Chaz Murray]

made a little progress last week...the contractor built the brease way between the house and the shop...and sunday i damn neer killed myself tryin to put up the 3" conduit for the electrical:laughing: :laughing:

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[Travis Waldher]

you ran the conduit THROUGH your gutter? :confused:

[Chaz Murray]

you ran the conduit THROUGH your gutter? :confused:

yea...dident really want to do it that way but after thinkin about it for the last few weeks of how i am goin to it...figured this was the best way...i put sealant around the conduit and there is still room around for water to go around...so shouldent be an issue...i hope

[Aces'n'8s]

yea...dident really want to do it that way but after thinkin about it for the last few weeks of how i am goin to it...figured this was the best way...i put sealant around the conduit and there is still room around for water to go around...so shouldent be an issue...i hope


Water and Electricity hate each other.....


Even though the conduit and weatherhead is galvanized, I have a hard time believing an electrical inspector will pass a final in that service.

[Travis Waldher]

Even though the conduit and weatherhead is galvanized, I have a hard time believing an electrical inspector will pass a final in that service.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Chaz... I think you might be on fawkup number 3 for the year. But hey, let us know what the inspector says.

[KILLER"B"3]

You should have used an offset riser. I don't know what the codes are there. But it wouldn't fly around here, they will most likely ask you to support it 1-2 feet below the gutter. Not soley relying on the roof plate, there is one right?

[ElPasoEric]

[QUOTE=KILLER"B"3] it wouldn't fly around here [QUOTE]

x2. When I was helping my friends family erect their building we had to tie it into the wall structure. Basically made a clamp for the pipe that was bolted to the beam inside the wall where the wall meets the roof.

[randii]

Won't hurt to try to get it past the inspector -- it may be as simple as cutting/sealing the gutter on either side of the weatherhead (assuming you have a downspout at both ends of the gutter.

Where do you have the conduit attached to the wall/roof? I see one attachment just above the meter... where else? Inspection here in Fair Oaks required angled braces from a few feet up the weatherhead back down to the rafters, YMMV.

Randii

[Chaz Murray]

Won't hurt to try to get it past the inspector -- it may be as simple as cutting/sealing the gutter on either side of the weatherhead (assuming you have a downspout at both ends of the gutter.

Where do you have the conduit attached to the wall/roof? I see one attachment just above the meter... where else? Inspection here in Fair Oaks required angled braces from a few feet up the weatherhead back down to the rafters, YMMV.

Randii

i dont have the other supports up there at all yet...i ran out of parts and had to wait till monday since lowes dident carry what i needed...there is another chunk of uni-strut that will below the gutter about 1" and bolted through the wall to another bracket that ties into the support beam... so untill thats done...as of right now the only thing holding it up there is the elcectrical box and the hole in the gutter:laughing:

[Aces'n'8s]

You should install a circular gutter around your service mast to divert the water, which may eventually get past the top seal, away from your meter...:laughing: :laughing:

[phabask]

You will have to add one more support to your service entrance conduit.(short peice of strut and 1- 3" strut strap) Id put one just under the sofit, and put a rubber witches cap on top to seal the roof, There is nothing in the code that says you cant go through the sofit. The mast head just has to clear the roof by 3' for clearance.:)

[Aces'n'8s]

You will have to add one more support to your service entrance conduit.(short peice of strut and 1- 3" strut strap) Id put one just under the sofit, and put a rubber witches cap on top to seal the roof, There is nothing in the code that says you cant go through the sofit. The mast head just has to clear the roof by 3' for clearance.:)

Electrical codes vary by region, and you are most likely correct about being able to run a service through a soffit most anywhere.

But this is not a soffit. It is running through a GUTTER. While running a mast through a soffit is fine, the galv. flashing and shingles will provide 99% of the protection. Running it through a gutter, however, would not provide this same level of waterproofing.

I'm not beating on Chaz, I'm just relaying how that would play out on an electrical rough in here in Shelby County, TN. While it looks bright and shiny and has a good bead of sealant around it now, a competent inspector will wonder how it will hold up in the future. Or what about any debris that will no doubt become impeded by the mast?

[Aces'n'8s]

Hey Chaz, I thought I might give you another idea in case you run into any snags with the elec. inspector. You will need to check your elec. codes for regulations concerning service installation and incoming feeds "drip loop" height.


In my neck of the woods, you can run a service alongside a building without breaking the plane of the roof. To do this, however, the weatherhead must be high enough so as to produce a height of no less than 10' along the drip loop of the power feed coming from the pole. Basically, it doesn't matter what height the weatherhead is as long as the incoming power cables have a loop of sufficient watershedding abilities and are at least 10' off the ground.

Here's some artwork.

[Chaz Murray]

Hey Chaz, I thought I might give you another idea in case you run into any snags with the elec. inspector. You will need to check your elec. codes for regulations concerning service installation and incoming feeds "drip loop" height.


In my neck of the woods, you can run a service alongside a building without breaking the plane of the roof. To do this, however, the weatherhead must be high enough so as to produce a height of no less than 10' along the drip loop of the power feed coming from the pole. Basically, it doesn't matter what height the weatherhead is as long as the incoming power cables have a loop of sufficient watershedding abilities and are at least 10' off the ground.

Here's some artwork.

i looked at doin that...but i have to be 13' above finished grade...and i am only 12...so just a foot shy of doin that

[The Joker]

Crazy question. Why didn't you run it underground?

[Chaz Murray]

Crazy question. Why didn't you run it underground?

way too much work to get it to where PG&E would need it/want it

[The Joker]

way too much work to get it to where PG&E would need it/want it


I have this crazy feeling that when you are done with your current set up underground would have been easier.

[Travis Waldher]

way too much work to get it to where PG&E would need it/want it

Too much work?

A ditchwitch and some direct bury?

[Aces'n'8s]

i looked at doin that...but i have to be 13' above finished grade...and i am only 12...so just a foot shy of doin that


Dayum....<shrug shoulders>

[Chaz Murray]

Too much work?

A ditchwitch and some direct bury?


little more work than that...400 amp service i would have to run conduit over to the pole...and i have a well in the way that i would have to work around and also some trees and concrete i dont want to tear up

[The Joker]

little more work than that...400 amp service i would have to run conduit over to the pole...and i have a well in the way that i would have to work around and also some trees and concrete i dont want to tear up

Where is the house service? Was it overhead also? Could you have made the house 400amp and extended 200 from it to the shop?

[Chaz Murray]

Where is the house service? Was it overhead also? Could you have made the house 400amp and extended 200 from it to the shop?

prior to doin all this i had a 100 amp service total for the garage and house...so runnin 2 200 amp pannels inside the shop and 100 amps off one goin underground to the house...i thought about puttin it on the house and doin what you said but the pannel for the 400 amp service was so god damn big and would look really stupid hangin on the side of the house in sight from the road...i think i have figured out a way to make the inspector happy...just a matter of doin it now..goin to add another down spout on the other side of the pannel...around the center of the building...maybe a little farther up front..then on each side of the conduit where it comes through the gutter make a "dam" on each side of it and rivit and seal it up so water cant get past it...then get a roof safe thingy and put that on top so water dosent go into the damed up area...i think that should take care of it without the inspector goin nuts and wont be able to see anything from the ground so it will look as it dose now

[The Joker]

Sounds like a plan but I bet he still makes you remove the gutter from around the galvanized pipe entirely. Can you raise the gutter on both sides of the pipe so it flows to existing down spouts?